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Panthers4life
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re: Charlie Strong to be the new defensive play caller?
This. We will learn a lot about our defense this Saturday and see if Saban is correcting the issues.


bamameister
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re: Charlie Strong to be the new defensive play caller?
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This. We will learn a lot about our defense this Saturday and see if Saban is correcting the issues.




This has been said a 100 times already over here. Are you really expecting any version of Lane Kiffin's spread Saturday? What exactly will we be seeing with Kirby's offensive scheme that will be causing confusion, chaos, and panic?

I see a lot of 12 personnel, which look like, OK, everyone, here I come, stop me if you can.

A better defensive show vs Georgia will prove nothing about what just happened to us Saturday as far as scheme and speed go.

What it will be telling about, is if we get any better with our fundamentals of tackling and toughness. 2 big defensive issues as well.


Panthers4life
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re: Charlie Strong to be the new defensive play caller?
Good God!


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Hawaiian Punch
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re: Charlie Strong to be the new defensive play caller?
I see you got down voted, but this is true. This game won’t answer the questions we’ve been asking. I would like to see better fundamentals, much less confusion and much more energy; and that would be a GREAT start.

But as far as scheming for tempo offenses, this is not the game that will spread any more light on past defensive struggles. I expect they will attempt to run some stuff similar to ole miss (they would be idiots if they didn’t), but they aren’t going to reinvent their offense in a week.

Florida and Mississippi State will shed much more light on if we learned anything or not from the Ole Miss game. Those two teams will probably gear their offenses more towards what Ole Miss ran against us.

We’re actually somewhat lucky to have UGA this weekend rather than Florida or Miss. State. If we can get high intensity/toughness and better fundamental play from our defense, we match up much better against UGA than the other two. I can’t even begin to imagine what Kyle Pitts (the UF TE) would do to us next week. We obviously have a lot of work to do with regards to scheming to stop a fast paced offense.


XenScott
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re: Charlie Strong to be the new defensive play caller?
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Contracts can be handled later. Bama doesn't have to notify anyone "outside" about on-field staff changes except the NCAA. Maybe it's as simple as Golding being demoted to off-field staff and Strong promoted to DC.


Wrong. Their is a roster of on the field coaches. That roster has to be changed and it can’t be changed in “secret”. Their gas to be a submitted process to the PTB.


TidalSurge1
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XenScott
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bamameister
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re: Charlie Strong to be the new defensive play caller?
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I see you got down voted, but this is true. This game won’t answer the questions we’ve been asking. I would like to see better fundamentals, much less confusion and much more energy; and that would be a GREAT start.

But as far as scheming for tempo offenses, this is not the game that will spread any more light on past defensive struggles. I expect they will attempt to run some stuff similar to ole miss (they would be idiots if they didn’t), but they aren’t going to reinvent their offense in a week.

Florida and Mississippi State will shed much more light on if we learned anything or not from the Ole Miss game. Those two teams will probably gear their offenses more towards what Ole Miss ran against us.

We’re actually somewhat lucky to have UGA this weekend rather than Florida or Miss. State. If we can get high intensity/toughness and better fundamental play from our defense, we match up much better against UGA than the other two. I can’t even begin to imagine what Kyle Pitts (the UF TE) would do to us next week. We obviously have a lot of work to do with regards to scheming to stop a fast paced offense.




The truth hurts and we have a lot of kids in the room that love to vote with their feelings. But, you can bet we play smarter against Georgia and Tennessee in the next few weeks. Styles make a fight and the styles that give us the toughest moments happen to reside in the west.


labamafan
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re: Charlie Strong to be the new defensive play caller?
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Hypothetically, how would anyone know if Charlie was calling plays down to Golding on the field


We can’t get signals in on time now. How would you expect to pull that off?


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UhOhOreo
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re: Charlie Strong to be the new defensive play caller?
You guys realize you're already hopping on an impermissible situation right? This report is bogus, Strong can't make playcalls as an analyst.

Not to mention Strong becoming DC would likely have to go through a board vote since he's making a substantial change in his contract/employment.

This post was edited on 10/13 at 4:07 pm


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IB4bama
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re: Charlie Strong to be the new defensive play caller?
Ms St that scored 2 points will give us trouble? LMAO
We will play Ga twice (at least twice) because we will win the West and they will win the East.


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Woodyjr42
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re: Charlie Strong to be the new defensive play caller?
You had me until board vote .. there’s one dude making decisions there


Panthers4life
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re: Charlie Strong to be the new defensive play caller?
History of Strong's defense

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Charlie Strong’s defense is a marriage of the 4-3 Under and its principles with the disguise and zone-blitz heavy nature of the 3-3-5.

This is not terribly different from what Manny Diaz was doing at Texas. However, the subtle differences have major importance in conceptualizing the system. While Diaz often got in the habit of throwing blitzes at the wall hoping something would stick and inflict a negative play to kill a drive, Strong’s utilization of stunting and blitzing flows first from his base defense, the 4-3 Under.

Because Strong’s defenders have a base defense, philosophy, and rules that they follow, the addition of movement, blitzing, and complexity is easier to absorb. Much like how a few extra drinks have less impact after a big dinner, Strong’s defenders can hold their liquor running exotic calls against an up-tempo spread because of their digestion of the basic rules.

The principles of the 4-3 Under amount to creating pressure on the line of scrimmage, maintaining leverage by keeping the ball “inside and in front,” and bringing extra run defenders to allow linebackers to fly to the ball.

The term “Under” refers to the way in which the defensive line is shifted away from the strength of an offensive formation while the linebackers are shifted towards it.


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Next we have the 3-3-5. The main goal of this scheme is to line up in an odd front (three DL) before stunting into some sort of 4-3 front that the offense won’t predict or be ready to block. Strong still utilizes this package frequently, but from the foundation of the 4-3 Under.

In Louisville, Marcus Smith was the key to this approach. Louisville would line up in a variety of 3-3 or 3-4 alignments with Smith standing up and moving around before the snap. Sometimes the Cards would only bring three rushers and drop eight into coverage. They would often simply stunt into the 4-3 Under or another 4-3 front. Or they would bring a Fire Zone.

The Fire Zone blitz is essentially a base defense for Strong and it offers a method to accomplish most of his aims. The Fire Zone can become like an ultra-aggressive Under front with players flying at the edges to funnel the ball inside, eight man fronts outnumbering the offense, and easy adaptation of the Cover-3 pattern-matching rules. For Strong, it’s a cheaper installation because it doesn’t defy his normal rules for defenders. He also doesn’t run an inordinately high number of them so his players are well-repped in their assignments.




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BFANLC
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re: Charlie Strong to be the new defensive play caller?
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Their gas to be a submitted


I don't like submitting gas and I really hate it when its submitted to me.


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UhOhOreo
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re: Charlie Strong to be the new defensive play caller?
My point is it would be much more public than "insiders" tweeting on it. If he was DC we'd know.

I expect Strong to take over DC next year, but he won't this year. At best I could see him becoming more involved in game planning and what packages we run.
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CrimsonFever
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re: Charlie Strong to be the new defensive play caller?
Appears to be some random Ole Miss fan.


Shaft Williams
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re: Charlie Strong to be the new defensive play caller?
If Golding keeps his defensive play calling duties it flies in the face of Saban's past behavior. Saban allegedly took Tosh's play calling duties from him during the season. And, Saban replaced Kiffin before the national championship game with Sark a few years back. Saban knows Golding knows the defense and is making the right calls but he's not properly TEACHING and COMMUNICATING his defense to the players. It wouldn't surprise me if Golding is fighting to keep his play calling duties on a game to game basis.


TidalSurge1
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re: Charlie Strong to be the new defensive play caller?
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... It wouldn't surprise me if Golding is fighting to keep his play calling duties on a game to game basis.

He's not putting up a very good fight. Maybe he's as incompetent as it appears. Maybe he's also unhappy and kinda wants to be fired. Buyouts are pretty nice paychecks, and he'd still be able to get a coaching gig somewhere.
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bamameister
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re: Charlie Strong to be the new defensive play caller?
Mack Wilson's comment during the Ole Miss fiasco was telling.

"At this point moving forward we gotta make the defensive game plan simple. Them boys looking like they thinking to much. Players running around trying to get lined up looking lost as ever. ???????"



Shaft Williams
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re: Charlie Strong to be the new defensive play caller?
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He's not putting up a very good fight. Maybe he's as incompetent as it appears. Maybe he's also unhappy and kinda wants to be fired. Buyouts are pretty nice paychecks, and he'd still be able to get a coaching gig somewhere.


No, I don't think that's it. I'm sure you had a teacher in school who was very smart and knew the material. But, that same teacher may have failed when it came to imparting the material to others. That's what I see Golding's issue as. And, the best teachers can articulate complex concepts in simplistic ways so most people can understand.


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