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Shaft Williams
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re: Charlie Strong to be the new defensive play caller?
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Mack Wilson's comment during the Ole Miss fiasco was telling.

"At this point moving forward we gotta make the defensive game plan simple. Them boys looking like they thinking to much. Players running around trying to get lined up looking lost as ever. ???????"


Mack is echoing what Saban is saying. This is also in line with what Terrell Lewis has said.


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Mack is echoing what Saban is saying.


Mack Wilson is more likely echoing what he himself had to live through as the signal-caller under Golding and Tosh. He did say, "as lost as ever."


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re: Charlie Strong to be the new defensive play caller?
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Mack Wilson's comment during the Ole Miss fiasco was telling.

"At this point moving forward we gotta make the defensive game plan simple. Them boys looking like they thinking to much. Players running around trying to get lined up looking lost as ever. ???????"


I know many people got on Mack while he was here, and some of it he might have deserved but that junior season he had was a total head scratcher. He had a great sophomore season and junior year he has Golding and he looks as lost as ever. Something has to give in this defense, if it’s simplifying then changes need to be made asap... We have the talent to win it all this year and I still believe we can get this fixed but it needs to happen asap


Shaft Williams
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re: Charlie Strong to be the new defensive play caller?
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Mack Wilson is more likely echoing what he himself had to live through as the signal-caller under Golding and Tosh. He did say, "as lost as ever."


True. And, you remember how great Mack looked under Pruitt and how many posters here thought Mack was a bum because he looked bad under Golding/Tosh? Now, Dylan Moses is regressing. Golding is the reason Tua didn't win a national championship as a starter.


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True. And, you remember how great Mack looked under Pruitt and how many posters here thought Mack was a bum because he looked bad under Golding/Tosh? Now, Dylan Moses is regressing. Golding is the reason Tua didn't win a national championship as a starter.




He did look good. In '18' it was going in the wrong direction and not just for Mack. Dionte Thompson, calling plays on the backend, was having the same "communication" issues. After the first game against Louisville, it started making the press as an issue.

Mack also looked good as a rookie starting for the Cleveland Browns. Extremely rare in the NFL, regardless of what round you are picked. He was praised by the Brown's coaching staff for "picking the offense up so fast."


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bamameister
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I know many people got on Mack while he was here, and some of it he might have deserved but that junior season he had was a total head scratcher. He had a great sophomore season and junior year he has Golding and he looks as lost as ever. Something has to give in this defense, if it’s simplifying then changes need to be made asap... We have the talent to win it all this year and I still believe we can get this fixed but it needs to happen asap


I hate to be the one to say it, but "simplifying" isn't in coach Saban's DNA. His pride and joy is the ability to teach complex techniques and defensive disguises. The ability to surround and squeeze defenses for 4 quarters was amazing for so many years and championships. The Boa Constrictor style, with its mush rush principles, was brilliant and lethal. It all worked marvelously in the 3-4 base era of defensive strategy. But those concepts hate speed and they hate space.

What I have learned more fully is that Jeremy Pruitt was truly his own man and risked a lot to implement his brand of defense attacking spread alignments during his 2 years here as DC. Cause everything he did to simplify and be more aggressive was against the principles of what we saw from Kirby Smart and Golding, who came before Pruitt and after.


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Yep. Pruitt did a very good job of incorporating a simplified attacking D-front scheme into our nickel defense. He installed disguised DL/LB stunts/blitzes and a few DB blitzes. It was pretty effective too. It's what I keep advocating we should replicate. Strong has the know-how to do that. Our nickel defense could keep pace with hunh offenses and cover, attack and disrupt them pretty well. The players weren't lost and confused. They played fast and agressive. I don't see NFL teams mush rushing. Their D-fronts are aggressively attacking and getting backfield penetration.
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Shaft Williams
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re: Charlie Strong to be the new defensive play caller?
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I hate to be the one to say it, but "simplifying" isn't in coach Saban's DNA. His pride and joy is the ability to teach complex techniques and defensive disguises. The ability to surround and squeeze defenses for 4 quarters was amazing for so many years and championships. The Boa Constrictor style, with its mush rush principles, was brilliant and lethal. It all worked marvelously in the 3-4 base era of defensive strategy. But those concepts hate speed and they hate space.

What I have learned more fully is that Jeremy Pruitt was truly his own man and risked a lot to implement his brand of defense attacking spread alignments during his 2 years here as DC. Cause everything he did to simplify and be more aggressive was against the principles of what we saw from Kirby Smart and Golding, who came before Pruitt and after.


This isn't all the way true. Saban, while running a complex defense, has always had DCs since I can remember. So, Saban is a collaborator. And, most importantly, guys have always grown in Saban's defenses before Golding got here. Now, guys are remaining stagnant and some others are regressing.


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I think what you're saying actualy goes hand-in-hand with what bamameister is saying.

I had hoped and even assumed Saban wanted Strong to help Golding implement an approach like Pruitt deployed. Perhaps the pandemic's shutdown of spring practice kept that from happening. I could be wrong though. Maybe Saban wasn't aiming to do that.
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Shaft Williams
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The reason our offenses have been so good and explosive for years now is the coaching and development on that side of the ball has been outstanding. Now, I would argue anyone that our defensive recruiting is even better than our offensive recruiting but look at our defense. It's terrible. Golding won't get a more talented group of defensive players and he can't cook with these ingredients?! It's time for our relationship with Golding to end.


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TidalSurge1
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I think everyone knows you want Golding gone.
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Shaft Williams
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I think everyone knows you want Golding gone.


That might be true. And, I wanted Golding to do well as he's a fellow Louisianian. But, he's in way over his head. I think Saban has learned something about this debacle. Just because a guy has great defensive knowledge and knocks the interview out if he can't communicate with the players and explain a complex defense bit by bit that guy is as useless as a bo-hog with tits.
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Yep. Saban's got a major mess on his hands with Golding as DC/ILBs coach. I hope and pray he can clean it up well enough for us to win 'em all. We'll see.
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re: Charlie Strong to be the new defensive play caller?
Pete just might be a really sharp dude but what I see on Saturday's is a guy APPEARS as confused at the LBers trying to get the calls to the rest of the team. The go fast approach by Lane just added that much more confusion. Hell Kirby and JP had trouble when Freeze and Gus ran the true hurry up vs The King. If I remember at the half of the FSU/AU NC game JP stopped trying to get the perfect call and went simple for his defense.

The good news Kirby isn't going true hurry up.


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BFANLC
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re: Charlie Strong to be the new defensive play caller?
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I think everyone knows you want Golding gone


Is there anyone left who doesn't want Golding gone?


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What I have learned more fully is that Jeremy Pruitt was truly his own man and risked a lot to implement his brand of defense attacking spread alignments during his 2 years here as DC. Cause everything he did to simplify and be more aggressive was against the principles of what we saw from Kirby Smart and Golding, who came before Pruitt and after.


Print this on a damn shirt!!!! This is why I would take Pruitt’s defense over Kirby’s, Kirby was a great defensive coordinator but Pruitt was amazing.


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TidalSurge1
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Is there anyone left who doesn't want Golding gone?

The only person I wonder about is Pete himself. Maybe he kinda wants to be gone.


BLG
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Maybe he kinda wants to be gone.


we should oblige him that


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Crimsonwave
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All I know is a couple of times Saturday the camera panned over to Golding and it was like looking at Shula on the sidelines. He looked as lost as the players.


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Calls and scheming and who calls them don’t mean shite when #32 and others are lazy azzes.


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