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Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:12 am to Funky Tide 8
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The big problem has been consistency
Exactly. If our offense bails LSU’s defense out on a few drives with costly penalties or Milroe missing an open throw or two, that might be all it takes to get in some series trouble.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:17 am to CrimsonBoz
Holy cow, I just listened to the CFB Nerds video and they said the same thing I tried to explain
Given Alabama’s defense, and LSU’s defense, a solid and consistent offense would make the game REALLY difficult for LSU. You get to a certain level of solid, consistent offense and you’re probably scoring on every possession against LSU.
But Alabama doesn’t have that. It’s still going to be boom or bust. And that’s why it’s a bad matchup. No matter how bad LSU’s defense is, Alabama WILL have some busts in there. And Milroe will probably launch one towards an LSU player a time or two. And we’ll probably have some bad sacks and blown up run plays. All things that a solid offense can absolutely erase against an LSU defense THIS bad.
ETA: And the other guy just mentioned a threaded needle bullet first down to Burton where Tenn blitzed and left our TE completely alone for an auto first down. Milroe never looked at it even though it’s QBing 101.
An inch any direction on the pass and we’re punting instead of moving forward with a first down.
THAT’S exactly what I mean when I say we don’t do the things that take advantage of LSU being so bad. In that same scenario against LSU, we won’t be getting the auto first down and we’ll be leaning on that pass being competed the same way. Our offense negates the advantage an offense should have against LSU and turns us right back into book or bust. And because of that, there will be plenty of busts unless we just come out and play the best offense we’ve played all year.
Given Alabama’s defense, and LSU’s defense, a solid and consistent offense would make the game REALLY difficult for LSU. You get to a certain level of solid, consistent offense and you’re probably scoring on every possession against LSU.
But Alabama doesn’t have that. It’s still going to be boom or bust. And that’s why it’s a bad matchup. No matter how bad LSU’s defense is, Alabama WILL have some busts in there. And Milroe will probably launch one towards an LSU player a time or two. And we’ll probably have some bad sacks and blown up run plays. All things that a solid offense can absolutely erase against an LSU defense THIS bad.
ETA: And the other guy just mentioned a threaded needle bullet first down to Burton where Tenn blitzed and left our TE completely alone for an auto first down. Milroe never looked at it even though it’s QBing 101.
An inch any direction on the pass and we’re punting instead of moving forward with a first down.
THAT’S exactly what I mean when I say we don’t do the things that take advantage of LSU being so bad. In that same scenario against LSU, we won’t be getting the auto first down and we’ll be leaning on that pass being competed the same way. Our offense negates the advantage an offense should have against LSU and turns us right back into book or bust. And because of that, there will be plenty of busts unless we just come out and play the best offense we’ve played all year.
This post was edited on 11/1/23 at 8:28 am
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:19 am to bamabenny
quote:I know I know
You're negabammering real hard
Big picture I’ve been positive all season. I enjoy the hell out of this team and will continue to love watching them even if we don’t get the W this weekend.
But I really do think it’s a bad matchup for us.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 9:00 am to ReauxlTide222
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But Alabama doesn’t have that. It’s still going to be boom or bust. And that’s why it’s a bad matchup. No matter how bad LSU’s defense is, Alabama WILL have some busts in there.
I agree with this and it's my biggest fear in this game. We can go 3 and out against air between penalties, one on one whiffs in pass pro from the LT, missed blocks in the run game leading to 2nd and 9 and bouts of inaccuracy from our QB.
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And Milroe will probably launch one towards an LSU player a time or two.
Not nearly as concerned about this.
I think we're gonna score 31-35 points. Our defense is going to have to play elite football for 4 quarters to hold them below that.
This post was edited on 11/1/23 at 9:02 am
Posted on 11/1/23 at 9:08 am to CrimsonBoz
We are going to work like hell to establish the run game and wear them down. There's no depth there at all now. It will be interesting to see how they use Perkins, but with Wingo out he's manageable to a degree with good playcalling and awareness. It may be unpopular to say, but I'm very confident going into this one.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 10:17 am to ReauxlTide222
You're taking credit away from a pretty decent rocky top defense that only gave up 30 points once this year...
... to us.
... to us.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 10:25 am to YStar
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You're taking credit away from a pretty decent rocky top defense that only gave up 30 points once this year...
... to us.
Tennessee's defense did not give up 30+ to Alabama.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 10:26 am to YStar
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You're taking credit away from a pretty decent rocky top defense that only gave up 30 points once this year...
Offense played a great 2nd half but the defense also gave them a big boost with 7 pts on their own plus a short field for another after 4th down (and gave them good field position again that we wasted with an INT).
Our first half drive chart looked like this
- 3 plays, 9 yds, punt
- 4 plays, 23 yds, punt
- 3 plays, -2 yds, fumble
- 5 plays, 36 yds, punt
- 9 plays, 59 yds, touchdown
- 4 plays, 14 yds, INT
We can't frick around for an entire half on offense this weekend. I'm not sure we can afford to frick around on more than 1-2 possessions.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 10:29 am to SummerOfGeorge
You guys are supporting my point that rocky top has a good defense so naturally they keep teams from scoring and we did well enough that second half.
I agree with the rest of your point as well. We can't keep having entire dead halfs in these games and expect to continue to win them.
I also don't understand an earlier point someone else made about LSU lacking the ability to stop the run. From what I have seen Stat wise they do that decently. What they can't seem to stop is the pass.
I agree with the rest of your point as well. We can't keep having entire dead halfs in these games and expect to continue to win them.
I also don't understand an earlier point someone else made about LSU lacking the ability to stop the run. From what I have seen Stat wise they do that decently. What they can't seem to stop is the pass.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 10:32 am to YStar
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You guys are supporting my point that rocky top has a good defense so naturally they keep teams from scoring and we did well enough that second half.
I agree with the rest of your point as well. We can't keep having entire dead halfs in these games and expect to continue to win them.
Yep - agree. Tennessee has a pretty solid defense, especially against the run.
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I also don't understand an earlier point someone else made about LSU lacking the ability to stop the run. From what I have seen Stat wise they do that decently. What they can't seem to stop is the pass.
They are pretty bad against both. They are #105 in YPA Rush Defense (4.67). Everyone they've played (including Grambling and Army) (keep in mind Army does not run the triple option anymore, either) has run for at least 3.5 YPA against them. I do think teams have abandoned it as they've gotten into a shootout, so their total yards allowed isn't super high. But on a rush by rush basis they've been gashed.
FSU : 34 for 135 (3.97)
Grambling : 29 for 163 (5.62)
Miss St : 21 for 94 (4.48)
Arkansas : 37 for 137 (3.70)
Ole Miss : 49 for 317 (6.47)
Mizzou : 21 for 116 (5.52)
Auburn : 34 for 139 (4.09)
Army : 43 for 151 (3.51)
And that was with Wingo in there.
This post was edited on 11/1/23 at 10:36 am
Posted on 11/1/23 at 10:38 am to SummerOfGeorge
Another positive for us is that LSU does not rush the passer especially well nor do they get stops in the backfield a lot. Some bad defenses somewhat make up for it with aggressive play, knowing they'll give up yards and plays but hoping to sniff out drives with sacks/TFLs. LSU gives up yards but does not get TFLs or sacks.
- Sacks Per Game : #97 (1.75)
- Tackle For Loss Per Game : #87 (5.38)
Wingo is #4 in TFLs (3.0) and #2 in sacks (2.5). And he's out.
As discussed above, we should move the ball against them and score. The only team that is going to stop us is us. However, we have a pretty good history of stopping ourselves, and that causes me some concern.
- Sacks Per Game : #97 (1.75)
- Tackle For Loss Per Game : #87 (5.38)
Wingo is #4 in TFLs (3.0) and #2 in sacks (2.5). And he's out.
As discussed above, we should move the ball against them and score. The only team that is going to stop us is us. However, we have a pretty good history of stopping ourselves, and that causes me some concern.
This post was edited on 11/1/23 at 10:40 am
Posted on 11/1/23 at 10:42 am to SummerOfGeorge
Yeah I agree with all that.
My thing is people overly fixate on the players when a good OC can scheme around deficiencies or adapt without having to go to halftime (also keep running adapted plays not revert to what wasn't working).
My thing is people overly fixate on the players when a good OC can scheme around deficiencies or adapt without having to go to halftime (also keep running adapted plays not revert to what wasn't working).
Posted on 11/1/23 at 10:44 am to YStar
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My thing is people overly fixate on the players when a good OC can scheme around deficiencies or adapt without having to go to halftime (also keep running adapted plays not revert to what wasn't working).
Yea, I'm hoping that the 2nd half vs Tennessee plus the bye weekend let us concentrate on what we've seen that works and start moving away from some of the stuff that doesn't. The offense has flaws, but there is a gameplan that can make this a very good offense - both explosive and efficient. It definitely involves more designed QB runs and running outside and less RB dives on 1st and 10, though
Posted on 11/1/23 at 11:50 am to SummerOfGeorge
I just don't get why so many are absolutely convinced that it's more likely LSU's defense has a get right game against our offense than it is the other way around. Our offense is better than their defense. I think it's more likely our offense has a get right game against their defense.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 12:12 pm to RollTide33
I don't think LSU's defense has any sort of magical night or anything, I just think there is a chance we shoot our own selves in the foot on multiple drives.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 12:27 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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there is a chance we shoot our own selves in the foot on multiple drives.
It doesn't take much imagination to picture that either. We've seen it all year.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 1:41 pm to Glorious
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the gap between their offense and our defense is waaaaaay smaller than the gap between our offense and their defense
NCAA rankings
LSU off (1). Bama Def (18)
LSU Def (88). Bama off (78)
Posted on 11/1/23 at 2:12 pm to SuperOcean
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NCAA rankings
LSU off (1). Bama Def (18)
LSU Def (88). Bama off (78)
You went with yards per game as the way to compare them? At least use FEI or SP+.
Bama Offense FEI: 24 SP+: 18
LSU Offense FEI: 2 SP+: 3
Bama Defense FEI: 4 SP+: 6
LSU Defense FEI: 62 SP+: 42
This post was edited on 11/1/23 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 11/1/23 at 4:48 pm to RollTide33
Crunching the numbers and data and rankings of offense vs defense etc… is great to get an idea of what may happen and nobody does it better than SOG.
But when the game starts none of that’s going to matter. It boils down to who wants this game more, who’s willing to play they’re guts out and beat the man in front of you for 60mins.
This Bama team makes mistakes and can look fricked up as rat on d-Con, but they can take the body blows and get punched in the nose and mouth and kicked in the nuts, but one thing for sure is they never quit.
This Bama team has showed the toughness to battle back over and over to find a way to win. It may not look pretty but I’ll take this Bama team in a street fight every Saturday
But when the game starts none of that’s going to matter. It boils down to who wants this game more, who’s willing to play they’re guts out and beat the man in front of you for 60mins.
This Bama team makes mistakes and can look fricked up as rat on d-Con, but they can take the body blows and get punched in the nose and mouth and kicked in the nuts, but one thing for sure is they never quit.
This Bama team has showed the toughness to battle back over and over to find a way to win. It may not look pretty but I’ll take this Bama team in a street fight every Saturday
This post was edited on 11/1/23 at 4:49 pm
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