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Posted on 5/22/26 at 4:14 am to UhOhOreo
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I don’t know if I would ever take the stance of “George Wallace was a Democrat” when Strom Thurmond flipped that same year like the rest of them.
Truth is truth... yes, people change parties. This doesn't change the fact that George Wallace and Nathan Bedford Forrest were democrats
Posted on 5/22/26 at 7:30 am to Pastor Mike
The Democratic Party's weird coalitions over its history are an interesting subject.
The Dems were actively pushing out the conservative, mostly Southern faction in favor of the growing college educated urbanite demographic thanks to the post-war boom over the course of the 1960s and 70s.
It is also interesting that these often Democrat-led major city machines began pulling black people away from the GOP in the early 20th due to the diaspora of black people after Jim Crow to the industrial boom in the Midwest.
These things are ultimately a silly thing to focus on as a gotcha for the current policy.
There hasn't been a man that more embodies the spirit, ideology, demeanor, etc of Andrew Jackson in the last 100 years than Donald Trump. Jackson in some sense along with Van Buren is the Ur-Democrat and Donald Trump is ostensibly a Republican but I think he honestly represents something new at the same time.
The people who would vote for a guy like Jackson have been pushed out of his own party and replaced by college-educated liberals, black people, and - to a lesser degree than black people - all minorities with a more secular disposition or not elite. To that last point, that is why you see high-caste Hindu Indians on the GOP side of the dividing line. Ironically, the coastal financial elite element that made common cause with plantation owners in the beginning are still around in the Democratic Party today.
The Dems were actively pushing out the conservative, mostly Southern faction in favor of the growing college educated urbanite demographic thanks to the post-war boom over the course of the 1960s and 70s.
It is also interesting that these often Democrat-led major city machines began pulling black people away from the GOP in the early 20th due to the diaspora of black people after Jim Crow to the industrial boom in the Midwest.
These things are ultimately a silly thing to focus on as a gotcha for the current policy.
There hasn't been a man that more embodies the spirit, ideology, demeanor, etc of Andrew Jackson in the last 100 years than Donald Trump. Jackson in some sense along with Van Buren is the Ur-Democrat and Donald Trump is ostensibly a Republican but I think he honestly represents something new at the same time.
The people who would vote for a guy like Jackson have been pushed out of his own party and replaced by college-educated liberals, black people, and - to a lesser degree than black people - all minorities with a more secular disposition or not elite. To that last point, that is why you see high-caste Hindu Indians on the GOP side of the dividing line. Ironically, the coastal financial elite element that made common cause with plantation owners in the beginning are still around in the Democratic Party today.
This post was edited on 5/22/26 at 7:32 am
Posted on 5/22/26 at 7:32 am to UhOhOreo
Muh party flip.
Posted on 5/22/26 at 8:33 am to Shocco
This thread has been utterly fascinating and a reminder of why I don’t discuss politics or religion online.
I’ll dance around breaking that vow, however, to offer this observation. And it’s not new, I used it often when I was the editorial writer (I did more than sports) for my former employer and commenting on current events: The battles of the 1860s and the 1960s as to what the United States of America was, is and will be moving forward were never truly resolved, and we are at the point now where a final resolution is going to be very ugly.
I’ll dance around breaking that vow, however, to offer this observation. And it’s not new, I used it often when I was the editorial writer (I did more than sports) for my former employer and commenting on current events: The battles of the 1860s and the 1960s as to what the United States of America was, is and will be moving forward were never truly resolved, and we are at the point now where a final resolution is going to be very ugly.
This post was edited on 5/22/26 at 8:34 am
Posted on 5/22/26 at 9:01 am to Diego Ricardo
Vince Lombardi … just using him as an example since this is a sports board … was a die-hard Democrat and very liberal to the point of being left wing on economic issues, support for unions and the core question that’s at the heart of a lot of the mess today, whether government has a role in making people’s everyday lives better and easier not necessarily because they need it but simply because they exist. But he was right wing to Attila the Hun levels on social issues, law and order and national defense and was devoutly religious.
People like him were not uncommon back in the day, but would not be allowed within a million miles of the Democratic Party today. Or probably the GOP for that matter. It’s become all or nothing.
People like him were not uncommon back in the day, but would not be allowed within a million miles of the Democratic Party today. Or probably the GOP for that matter. It’s become all or nothing.
This post was edited on 5/22/26 at 9:07 am
Posted on 5/22/26 at 9:04 am to InkStainedWretch
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and we are at the point now where a final resolution is going to be very ugly.
I’m with you on most everything you said. I just don’t think we’re close to any final resolution because a majority of people are still fat and happy ENOUGH to not be moved to action. And a lot of the impoverished people who should be pissed off are brainwashed.
If King Louis 16 had just brainwashed everyone to blame Joe Biden and the libtards for the peasants starving while he was bouncing from palace to palace then he and and his wife would still have their noggins
This post was edited on 5/22/26 at 9:05 am
Posted on 5/22/26 at 9:14 am to Sandkhan
For the record, one reason I shy away from discussing politics online, other than it causes fights and I don’t have the time or inclination for online fights, is that my beliefs can’t be pigeonholed. I don’t fit squarely into the “conservative” or “liberal” camps because I range from Attila the Hun to LBJ and points in between on various issues, and I see shades of gray and I do nuance. Few people do nuance these days, so aside from voting I have pretty much bowed out of the process.
Posted on 5/22/26 at 9:17 am to InkStainedWretch
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and I do nuance
And that’s what we need more of in this world. Most people can’t spell nuance much less practice it so we’re kinda cooked
Posted on 5/22/26 at 9:22 am to Sandkhan
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And a lot of the impoverished people who should be pissed off are brainwashed.
And they were really easy to wash with those uniformly smooth surfaces. Trump was the inspiration for Biff Tannen. His future rise to the Presidency was a joke on the Simpsons 25 years ago. He was a punchline for years between the hair, the bankruptcies, the constant failed attempts at turning his name into a brand of its own, saying insane shite to the media like "I guess I have the tallest building now" immediately after 9/11 or speculating about how big his infant daughter's breasts would end up being, and basically everything else that made him such a sad, bizarre, sleazy caricature of a man. The ease with which he then immediately suckered tens of millions of people into thinking he cares not just about America, but about them personally, and has the foresight to lead us to a bright new future is going to be studied for decades. Hopefully not just in other countries while our children learn about him the way North Koreans learn about the Kims.
Posted on 5/22/26 at 9:38 am to InkStainedWretch
Posted on 5/22/26 at 11:42 am to Syd
1. I highly doubt Haven is actually his “nephew”. This is a term used in the same way you might say “cuz” to someone who isn’t your cousin
2. frick Uncle Luke. Florida is run by Marco Rubio and Ron Desantis who are certainly more intelligent and capable than any of our state leadership but that almost makes them a worse people for a lot of the shite they pull.
Uncle Luke is just a bitter Miami fan using this bullshite while ignoring that Florida as a state and South Florida are also very conservative and would and will gerrymander if they ever need to.
2. frick Uncle Luke. Florida is run by Marco Rubio and Ron Desantis who are certainly more intelligent and capable than any of our state leadership but that almost makes them a worse people for a lot of the shite they pull.
Uncle Luke is just a bitter Miami fan using this bullshite while ignoring that Florida as a state and South Florida are also very conservative and would and will gerrymander if they ever need to.
This post was edited on 5/22/26 at 11:46 am
Posted on 5/22/26 at 11:45 am to Syd
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Rapper Luther Campbell is trying to get his nephew, Elijah Haven, to decommit from Bama because of the redistricting.
I guess the Ivy League schools will go back to dominating college football.
Nothing screams black representation by going to schools in majority white populated states like New Hampshire, Rhode Island and Connecticut.
Posted on 5/22/26 at 11:49 am to TideSaint
No one is going to listen to Uncle Luke’s old washed up arse. He hasn’t said a single thing anyone has cared about since “heyyyy we want some puuuussssyyyy”
Posted on 5/22/26 at 12:07 pm to Sandkhan
Florida already written the Democratic Party out of existence to the degree possible so they can’t make this headline anymore.
Posted on 5/22/26 at 12:16 pm to Diego Ricardo
Absolutely. This is just a random dumbass fan who was famous nearly 40 years ago.
If you’re going to stand up on a soap box at least know what you’re talking about. These idiots are a huge negative to something that is an important matter.
Gerrymandering is an awful practice that undermines what we have left of a veneer of democracy. Trying to politicize college athletics to tackle it is not the move and certainly not when you live in a deeply red state in a city filled with Republican anti Castro Cubans
If you’re going to stand up on a soap box at least know what you’re talking about. These idiots are a huge negative to something that is an important matter.
Gerrymandering is an awful practice that undermines what we have left of a veneer of democracy. Trying to politicize college athletics to tackle it is not the move and certainly not when you live in a deeply red state in a city filled with Republican anti Castro Cubans
This post was edited on 5/22/26 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 5/22/26 at 12:43 pm to Sandkhan
People are cynical. They’ll clap like seals for it because maybe he comes to Nole, Gata, or Cane now.
Posted on 5/22/26 at 1:22 pm to Sandkhan
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Gerrymandering is an awful practice that undermines what we have left of a veneer of democracy.
Thank this a-hole:
The worst part of him creating this bullshite is the political party he used it to bolster only lasted another 13 years after gerrymandering was introduced.
Posted on 5/22/26 at 1:37 pm to Pastor Mike
The broader point I’m making is comparing 1960’s parties to 2020’s parties doesn’t make sense. They’re nowhere near the same in anything but title because coalitions move.
On Haven, idk where tf uncle Luke wants him to go because his finalists were pure South
On Haven, idk where tf uncle Luke wants him to go because his finalists were pure South
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