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re: CBC and NAACP asking fans to boycott sports over redistricting
Posted on 5/21/26 at 6:25 pm to imjustafatkid
Posted on 5/21/26 at 6:25 pm to imjustafatkid
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That's nice. I don't disagree with you in principle, but gerrymandering is allowed, and clearly legal, under our system of government. It would be stupid for a state not to utilize it. Standing on principle while the whole ship sinks around you is stupid.
ETA: Until there's a constitutional amendment forcing districts to be drawn by geographical footprint and population, this is what we will have.
Such an amendment would never happen because it would mininize the Democrat party and give full control of the House to Republicans for generations.
ETA2: You are wrong on one point though. This is something Republicans have not used until now. The only reason this is news now is because Trump forced them to start playing the game correctly. Now that they are, Democrats want to pretend Republicans started it. That is simply false.
Right, our founding fathers looked towards the Roman Republic but I fear they also set the field for the same sort of demise of that republic within our own. Too much of what holds the political system together are implicit norms - or perhaps sportsmanship in a sense - that are apt to be destroyed over time. Hell, I'd say we're living in times that echo the era of Gracchi brothers, Sulla, etc.
I hear what you're saying. But just because nothing says a dog can't play basketball, doesn't mean they should.
Edit: This reminds me of at the time the constitution was being written, debated, and ratified many pointed out something to the effect, "this system will not work if we have political parties like Britain." And I think many of them optimistically believed that leaving so much power to the states - that were essentially ran by a few clans/families/interests at the time - would prevent that problem. However the federalists v. anti-federalists/democratic-republicans immediately formed within Washington's own cabinet.
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 6:32 pm
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Posted on 5/21/26 at 6:36 pm to imjustafatkid
And you, Fat Kid, are exactly the type of person that is a danger to the democracy. You can’t debate rationally, you can’t see any fault in your side, you just want to blame the other side for all that is wrong in the world. That’s not helping. Your party can do no wrong, you are pure as the driven snow. It is exhausting and maddening to try to discuss and debate rationally because you aren’t rational.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 6:38 pm to Diego Ricardo
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Right, our founding fathers looked towards the Roman Republic but I fear they also set the field for the same sort of demise of that republic within our own. Too much of what holds the political system together are implicit norms - or perhaps sportsmanship in a sense - that are apt to be destroyed over time. Hell, I'd say we're living in times that echo the era of Gracchi brothers, Sulla, etc.
I definitely wish gerrymandering wasn't necessary. I do agree with you about the Roman Empire comparison. One way we're most like them is we're trying to force too many incompatible cultures into our own, while pretending all traditions are equal. That didn't work for the Romans, and it won't work for us.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 6:40 pm to phil4bama
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And you, Fat Kid, are exactly the type of person that is a danger to the democracy. You can’t debate rationally, you can’t see any fault in your side, you just want to blame the other side for all that is wrong in the world. That’s not helping. Your party can do no wrong, you are pure as the driven snow. It is exhausting and maddening to try to discuss and debate rationally because you aren’t rational.
You just called for revolution because Republicans are now using the same gerrymandering tactics Democrats have always used, all while completely ignoring the truthful statements I've made itt. You have no business pretending to be rational.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 6:40 pm to imjustafatkid
"The Italian Question" was one of the great pressures that created these norm breaking slides that eventually set the stage for Caesar crossing the Rubicon.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 6:41 pm to Diego Ricardo
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And I think many of them optimistically believed that leaving so much power to the states
If we had left the power to elect Senators with the state legislatures, I believe we'd be better off.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 6:49 pm to imjustafatkid
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If we had left the power to elect Senators with the state legislatures, I believe we'd be better off.
17th amendment would have been better off to make our legislature unicameral and prevent this representative cap at 435 we've been in since 1929. imo gerrymandering is only as important as it is because of that rep to population imbalance.
If the unicameral body was sufficiently large, you probably end up with the moderating force the senate is meant to create.
Maybe I'm wrong...but if we're going to empower the people across two bodies instead of the commons v. lords/states type divide as intended then one big representative body makes more sense to me.
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 5/21/26 at 7:43 pm to phil4bama
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But my greatest suspicion and fear is that when the electorate throws the GOP out on their collective asses, whenever that may be, the Democrats have been given the precedent to govern this way. And I will be surprised if they don’t wield it.
I would be shocked if they did. What is going on now is far afield of anything we have ever seen before. It's not normal for either party. It's simply not the kind of corruption that happens in established democracies anywhere. The President filed a baseless lawsuit against his own government and directed his personal criminal defense attorney, who he made into the AG, to settle with him for nearly $2 billion of our tax dollars, for the express purpose of transferring that money to domestic terrorists he pardoned for attempting to overthrow the government on his behalf. And that's just one example. You expect to see something like that in Eastern Europe, the Balkans, or Africa, but not the United States. People of all political persuasions should be fricking outraged and alarm bells should be going off, but instead you have these chucklefricks trying to act like the Democrats, who have control of zero branches of the federal government and a minority of state governments, are somehow currently the greatest threat to America. There's no point in engaging with them.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 7:53 pm to Diego Ricardo
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17th amendment would have been better off to make our legislature unicameral and prevent this representative cap at 435 we've been in since 1929. imo gerrymandering is only as important as it is because of that rep to population imbalance.
You are absolutely correct here. No doubt about it.
Probably would have more parties represented also.
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 5/21/26 at 8:16 pm to Robot Santa
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I would be shocked if they did. What is going on now is far afield of anything we have ever seen before. It's not normal for either party. It's simply not the kind of corruption that happens in established democracies anywhere. The President filed a baseless lawsuit against his own government and directed his personal criminal defense attorney, who he made into the AG, to settle with him for nearly $2 billion of our tax dollars, for the express purpose of transferring that money to domestic terrorists he pardoned for attempting to overthrow the government on his behalf. And that's just one example. You expect to see something like that in Eastern Europe, the Balkans, or Africa, but not the United States. People of all political persuasions should be fricking outraged and alarm bells should be going off, but instead you have these chucklefricks trying to act like the Democrats, who have control of zero branches of the federal government and a minority of state governments, are somehow currently the greatest threat to America. There's no point in engaging with them.
Yeah but what about Joe Biden!
Posted on 5/21/26 at 8:29 pm to Sandkhan
Biden was behind most of history's most notable assaults on America. He burned down the White House in 1812, fired the first shot at Fort Sumter, led the Japanese at Pearl Harbor, trained the 9/11 hijackers, and discovered Morgan Wallen. That's why we need the Fuhrerbunker/ballroom.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 8:35 pm to Sandkhan
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Yeah but what about Joe Biden!
You guys are so out of touch, it's shocking. Right now we have the governor of California talking about needing an emergency option because there are two Republicans leading their polls for governor and they're scared the nonsensical election format they set up to prevent Republicans from ever winning is coming back to bite them.
In England, they just ousted the leftist "conservative" party, in favor of an actually conservative party, for pushing exactly the same policies the Dems want to push here, and this scenario keeps playing out across the globe.
Yet here on this Alabama message board we have people who actually believe there's a movement against Republicans forming.
It's going to be a rough decade for y'all.
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:16 pm to imjustafatkid
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Yet here on this Alabama message board we have people who actually believe there's a movement against Republicans forming. It's going to be a rough decade for y'all.
I don’t know where you misread anything that I posted and took it as me having any optimism or hope. I don’t have any hope and I fully believe we’ve crossed the rubicon and we’re firmly in Idiocracy mode. We’re sitting with sky high inflation and paying out billions of dollars for J6ers and ballrooms and Israel. Fiscal conservatism baby!!!
It’s not going to be a “rough decade for yall”. It’s going to be rough DECADES for all of us. I’m fortunate enough to have a couple of cards up my sleeve that I can play and I’ll be fine but most people won’t.
Enjoy your smothered and covereds and try not to get too much gravy on your phone screen typing all that bullshite.
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:17 pm to imjustafatkid
But there’s more people like you than there are like me in this state and in this country. So you win. Enjoy it!
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:53 pm to Sandkhan
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But there’s more people like you than there are like me in this state and in this country. So you win. Enjoy it!
Actually, we all win. You just don't like that what you want failed so miserably.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:59 pm to Sandkhan
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We’re sitting with sky high inflation and paying out billions of dollars for J6ers
Trump was easily going to win this lawsuit. His privacy was violated. I'm sure you cheered when it happened. I wish he had taken it all the way instead of settling, because we need the government to lose a lawsuit like this, embarrassingly, to prevent the same thing from happening to others. I guess this settlement will have to do.
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ballrooms
A completely average, normal Democrat proved just the other week at the correspondent's dinner that this is absolutely needed. Good luck with your delusion otherwise.
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Israel
Israel? oook
ETA: BTW, that whole Trump's tax returns leaking thing? That's much closer to whatever dystopian future you believe you're living in than what is actually happening today.
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 5/21/26 at 10:21 pm to imjustafatkid
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This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 5/21/26 at 10:30 pm to Pastor Mike
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It was a democrat governor who stood on the steps of the University of Alabama and said "NO BLACKS ALLOWED!" So, you can take a big spoon full of your "whataboutism" and choke on it
I don’t know where we missed the mark in history class, but the Dixiecrats that were a stalwart against civil rights became Republicans. In large part because of LBJ pulling a fast one on them.
Same reason Rockefeller Republicans are moderate Democrats. Party alignment isn’t a locked in position relative to stance.
I don’t know if I would ever take the stance of “George Wallace was a Democrat” when Strom Thurmond flipped that same year like the rest of them.
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 5/21/26 at 10:48 pm to UhOhOreo
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I don’t know where we missed the mark in history class
They don’t care about the actuality of the situation. It’s not a good faith argument and they know it it’s just something they use to deflect. You can’t win with these people and you’ll only give yourself a headache.
Woodrow Wilson played Birth of a Nation in the White House and John Wilkes Booth was a Democrat. GOP party of Lincoln. Everyone knows everything is the exact same as it was back then.
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 5/22/26 at 1:01 am to UhOhOreo
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I don’t know where we missed the mark in history class, but the Dixiecrats that were a stalwart against civil rights became Republicans. In large part because of LBJ pulling a fast one on them.
Never happened. This falsehood has been repeatedly disproven.
ETA: One need look no further than Robert Byrd. If that's not enough for you, just look at what the SPLC has been doing. If that's still not enough for you to have learned anything, then I guess you'll just have to come to understand that Alabama did not have a Republican governor alongside a Republican majority in the state House and Senate until the year 2010. If a "party switch" had occurred, it would have happened much sooner than that.
This post was edited on 5/22/26 at 1:07 am
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