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Posted on 5/21/26 at 3:45 pm to phil4bama
Posted on 5/21/26 at 3:45 pm to phil4bama
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So the GOP comes up with the idea of relabeling their gerrymandering as political and oh, by the way,quote:and is embraced by the deep South so fast it makes your head swim. How convenient.
it just happens to impact minority voting exclusively
This is a stupid statement. You asked us to fire - so I did
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Posted on 5/21/26 at 4:04 pm to Robot Santa
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Only one side is attacking voting rights
The one side "attacking" voting rights is probably going to pick up 3-4 seats across the South.
Here's the other side's attempt to re-draw one state's map:
But this was perfectly fine, right?
And what made Virginia's attempt to re-draw their map even more disgusting is it was created just to insure the Republicans couldn't win the 2026 midterms and the 2028 elections:
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"Should the Constitution of Virginia be amended to allow the General Assembly to temporarily adopt new congressional districts to restore fairness in the upcoming elections, while ensuring Virginia's standard redistricting process resumes for all future redistricting after the 2030 census?"
We promise this is only temporary and we'll go back to following our state's Constitution in 2030. We promise.
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 5/21/26 at 4:19 pm to TideSaint
None of it's fine but it's simply disingenuous to ignore California and Virginia being a reaction to what MAGA politicians started.
I think it's all wrong but MAGA definitely got the nutty gerrymandering competition rolling.
For a state to have 90 or 100% of their representatives from one party when 40 - 45% of that state votes the other way is much more dangerous for democracy in this country than whatever policy the other party may support.
I think it's all wrong but MAGA definitely got the nutty gerrymandering competition rolling.
For a state to have 90 or 100% of their representatives from one party when 40 - 45% of that state votes the other way is much more dangerous for democracy in this country than whatever policy the other party may support.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 4:27 pm to wm72
Right, Alabama probably should have two democrats in its congressional caucus if you look at the top line numbers. Some cycles where the GOP is really weak, they probably should get 3.
That is healthy representative government. I'm not for any of these parties enough to claim I'm a democrat or republican. I vote republican in primaries because that is where the real action is and vote who I think is the best for the state and nation in the general.
I'm a Dan Carlin type of political outcast basically.
That is healthy representative government. I'm not for any of these parties enough to claim I'm a democrat or republican. I vote republican in primaries because that is where the real action is and vote who I think is the best for the state and nation in the general.
I'm a Dan Carlin type of political outcast basically.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 4:40 pm to Diego Ricardo
You can say "right" if you like - but it isn't right. WM is confusing two issues. The point of the thread is that the black vote (whatever that is - as if it is homogenous) is somehow being suppressed because everyone knows - to be a "good black" an "authentic brown person" you MUST vote democrat (Biden even SAID - "If you don't vote for me, you ain't black.") The only votes being suppressed are votes cast illegally according to the constitution. There are many black, brown, male, and female republicans that haven't forsaken their race or moral responsibilities.
Edited to add - there are whole states with 0 republican districts/representatives though the states voted 60/40 in the election. Don't put this on MAGA - this predates MAGA by a LONG SHOT
Edited to add - there are whole states with 0 republican districts/representatives though the states voted 60/40 in the election. Don't put this on MAGA - this predates MAGA by a LONG SHOT
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 5/21/26 at 4:53 pm to Pastor Mike
Well, I’ll say you are correct on the error of making this strictly a race thing as Trump doubled his votes from 2020 to 2024 from African Americans. It’s a lazy and dangerous thing for democrats to take the black vote for granted because lots of rural black voters don’t agree with a lot of democratic policy and vote the other way or just stay home.
Gerrymandering is wrong on either side and I sincerely wish people in this country could come together and realize we are entering a dangerous territory with politicians turning us against each other with whatabotism while laughing to the bank with our money.
Votes cast illegally according to the constitution would be anyone who isn’t a white male who owns land so…..
Gerrymandering is wrong on either side and I sincerely wish people in this country could come together and realize we are entering a dangerous territory with politicians turning us against each other with whatabotism while laughing to the bank with our money.
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The only votes being suppressed are votes cast illegally according to the constitution.
Votes cast illegally according to the constitution would be anyone who isn’t a white male who owns land so…..
Posted on 5/21/26 at 4:54 pm to wm72
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None of it's fine but it's simply disingenuous to ignore California and Virginia being a reaction to what MAGA politicians started.
Red states are simply correcting the errors of racist districting forced upon them by the courts.
Thank goodness Alabama will finally be able to draw fair maps without using race as a determining factor. It's not at all surprising to see Democrats demand segregated voting districts though. That's who they've always been.
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 5/21/26 at 5:07 pm to Sandkhan
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Gerrymandering is wrong on either side and I sincerely wish people in this country could come together and realize we are entering a dangerous territory with politicians turning us against each other with whatabotism while laughing to the bank with our money.
The funny thing about all of this is that this only apparently became a problem when Republicans started doing what Democrats have been doing for generations.
Somehow it's a major problem for Alabama to have 100% Republican districts with a 30% Dem population, but no one seemed to care that these states have 100% Democrat districts:
Massachusetts - 36% GOP
Connecticut - 42% GOP
Maine - 46% GOP
New Mexico - 46% GOP
New Hampshire - 48% GOP
Rhode Island - 42% GOP
Vermont - 32% GOP
Hawaii - 38% GOP
Delaware - 42% GOP
That's before we even start looking at states like Illinois with their ridiculous districts drawn to give Chicago as much pull as possible. Somehow that has been completely lost in the conversation about Memphis now being in 3 districts.
Democrats rigged the game by gerrymandering out Republicans while pulling garbage court-mandated, unconstitutional segregation of districts in the South to force Democrat seats where they never belonged. Anyone claiming this gerrymander fight started with Trump is lying to himself.
The playing field is being leveled, and Democrats know they can't compete on a level playing field. Thank God we are finally saving the country from them.
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 5/21/26 at 5:19 pm to imjustafatkid
Whataboutism is a lazy argument and doesn’t really solve anything. It’s everything that’s wrong with the country and a tool of people who can’t justify their party’s actions.
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 5/21/26 at 5:28 pm to Sandkhan
How very convenient for you
Posted on 5/21/26 at 5:31 pm to Sandkhan
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Votes cast illegally according to the constitution would be anyone who isn’t a white male who owns land so…..
Oh, and I meant to add... this is also very stupid. An argument from 60 years ago... really??? What is illegal is NON- CITIZENS voting and these are the "unconstitutional votes" that are currently be advocated by / fought for your party
Posted on 5/21/26 at 5:36 pm to Pastor Mike
Additionally - it was the democrats who fought against Blacks having the right to vote. It was the democrats who started and staffed the KKK. It was a democrat governor who stood on the steps of the University of Alabama and said "NO BLACKS ALLOWED!" So, you can take a big spoon full of your "whataboutism" and choke on it
Posted on 5/21/26 at 5:49 pm to Sandkhan
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Whataboutism is a lazy argument and doesn’t really solve anything. It’s everything that’s wrong with the country and a tool of people who can’t justify their parties actions.
I agree. It's very lazy that Democrats are trying to play the whatabout game and pretend they are responding to what Republicans are doing, when that clearly isn't the case. I'm not playing a whatabout game. I'm pointing out that what red states are doing is an appropriate and accepted practice nationwide.
If this is how gerrymandering is supposed to be done, then we should definitely participate. It does the country no good for Alabama to stand on some outdated, nonexistent principle while Democrats burn the whole thing to the ground. What red states are doing is appropriate, and they should continue doing it.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 5:51 pm to Pastor Mike
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So, you can take a big spoon full of your "whataboutism" and choke on it
Great words pastor.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 5:52 pm to Pastor Mike
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Additionally - it was the democrats who fought against Blacks having the right to vote. It was the democrats who started and staffed the KKK. It was a democrat governor who stood on the steps of the University of Alabama and said "NO BLACKS ALLOWED!" So, you can take a big spoon full of your "whataboutism" and choke on it
And it's the Democrats still funding the KKK via the SPLC while advocating for blacks to be segregated into their own voting districts. They've never changed. They're exactly the same as they've always been.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 5:53 pm to Sandkhan
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Great words pastor.
What he said seems like a reasonable response.
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 5/21/26 at 5:57 pm to imjustafatkid
My position is political gerrymandering, racial gerrymandering, it doesn’t matter: it is poison to the legitimacy of the system.
It is as wrong that rural Californian conservative gets their voice marginalized as it is that urban, center-to-liberal-leaning Southern population centers often get marginalized with similar sort of strategies.
Gerrymandering has essentially been a bug in the US political system since the beginning. The argument that one side is really at fault and the other is innocently responding in kind is ahistorical spin.
It is as wrong that rural Californian conservative gets their voice marginalized as it is that urban, center-to-liberal-leaning Southern population centers often get marginalized with similar sort of strategies.
Gerrymandering has essentially been a bug in the US political system since the beginning. The argument that one side is really at fault and the other is innocently responding in kind is ahistorical spin.
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 5/21/26 at 6:02 pm to Diego Ricardo
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My position is political gerrymandering, racial gerrymandering, it doesn’t matter: it is poison to the legitimacy of the system.
It is as wrong that rural Californian conservative gets their voice marginalized as it is that urban, center-to-liberal-leaning Southern population centers often get marginalized with similar sort of strategies.
Gerrymandering has essentially been a bug in the US political system since the beginning. The argument that one side is really at fault and the other is innocently responding in kind is ahistorical spin.
That's nice. I don't disagree with you in principle, but gerrymandering is allowed, and clearly legal, under our system of government. It would be stupid for a state not to utilize it. Standing on principle while the whole ship sinks around you is stupid.
ETA: Until there's a constitutional amendment forcing districts to be drawn by geographical footprint and population, this is what we will have.
Such an amendment would never happen because it would mininize the Democrat party and give full control of the House to Republicans for generations.
ETA2: You are wrong on one point though. This is something Republicans have not used until now. The only reason this is news now is because Trump forced them to start playing the game correctly. Now that they are, Democrats want to pretend Republicans started it. That is simply false.
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 5/21/26 at 6:09 pm to Robot Santa
I can’t disagree Robot Santa. But my greatest suspicion and fear is that when the electorate throws the GOP out on their collective asses, whenever that may be, the Democrats have been given the precedent to govern this way. And I will be surprised if they don’t wield it. You opened Pandora’s box, Republicans, and now the evils have escaped. And they will probably be used against you. How could you not foresee and expect it? That is exactly why you don’t do these things. Thomas Jefferson was right: a little rebellion every now and then is a good thing.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 6:14 pm to phil4bama
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I can’t disagree Robot Santa. But my greatest suspicion and fear is that when the electorate throws the GOP out on their collective asses, whenever that may be, the Democrats have been given the precedent to govern this way. And I will be surprised if they don’t wield it. You opened Pandora’s box, Republicans, and now the evils have escaped. And they will probably be used against you. How could you not foresee and expect it? That is exactly why you don’t do these things. Thomas Jefferson was right: a little rebellion every now and then is a good thing.
exactly the sort of revisionist history Democrats rely on their voter base believing.
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