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re: Boz please help us Bams understand what is going on in Ttown
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:06 am to IB4bama
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:06 am to IB4bama
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dont think our coaches think we can run the ball in the red zone, and there was evidence that we cant.
Saw it referenced in another thread that pass first teams seem to become soft and lack the physicality of the Bama teams with Ingram, T-Rich, Lacy and Henry. When you think about the pass happy offenses out West and the Big 12 and how they have fared historically against the SEC, Ohio St, etc there seems to be some validity to that assessment.
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Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:24 am to samson73103
The offense and what you teach your olinemen to do is different. Key also was told to look elsewhere due to a lack of X & O growth from the Oline (boz said as much with regards to him getting pushed out)
Posted on 1/15/19 at 10:33 am to YStar
A good discussion of how it happened and Tua pre-snap reads vs late D shift.
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Wyatt Film Study AL vs CU
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 10:56 am
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:17 am to Tw1st3d
Ok. So his comment about the intercept for the td, early in the game, isn't that Tua didn't read the defense after the snap, which is what Ystar keeps harping on, but that there was confusion on the route. He elaborates that the outside receiver didn't run the route properly and that he, not Jeudy, was probably the intended target.
I'm not even going to watch the rest of it. It's over.
I'm not even going to watch the rest of it. It's over.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:24 am to John Milner
Fools make snap decisions but that is their right. Play number 1 is not the issue for the entire game. The video points out issues on both the O and D and gives very good info on play breakdowns and the likely causes.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:29 am to Tw1st3d
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Fools make snap decisions but that is their right
So Tua is a fool for throwing to where the intended target should have been?
Good quarterbacks pretty often throw to where the intended target will be, sometimes even before that receiver looks back for the ball. One of Tua's first completion was exactly like that, and one of the announcers complimented him on that and said you can't defend that.
My point, as previously noted, was only that Ystar keeps blaming Tua for not reading the d after the snap. Wyatt suggests it was probably the wrong route.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:38 am to John Milner
When watching the game live I first thought someone had run the wrong route because both receivers were together but then also realized that Tua could have been baited post snap by the CB. That certainly seemed like a possibility knowing Tua's penchant for throwing to a spot blindly. Not sure what is the right answer. Only Locks or Tua can know that .
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:43 am to My2Bits
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Not sure what is the right answer
granted, that, but it's pretty clear what Wyatt thinks
LINK
oh, and Tw1st3d, thanks for the link. I'm not up to watching the rest of it, but what he says about that pick is what I thought might have been the case when I saw it the first time.
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 11:49 am
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:52 am to Tw1st3d
One thing he's not touching on is the fact that the guy blitzing came free. He didn't get there but I'm sure Tua saw him and that may have just caused the errant throw. Also, there's the possibility that he expected Jeudy to just sit down there.
Freeze it at the 2:02 mark and just kinda look at it from that angle.
Freeze it at the 2:02 mark and just kinda look at it from that angle.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:53 am to Bryantboyz
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Offense was exactly the problem? Are you drunk again? There were several scoring ops where coach went on 4th when he should have taken the 3.
Well, someone apparently was drunk while they were watching.
Let's check out those 4th down attempts:
1. 2:01 of Q1, 4th and 1, Jacobs gets the first down...we ended up 2nd and goal at the 1, had the false start, and end up with a FG anyway.
2. 10:02 of Q2, 4th and 1 from our own 34. I'm going to assume you're not idiotic enough to suggest we should have tried a FG there. Oh...we made that one.
3. 13:00 of Q3, 4th and 1 from the Clemson 40. So you're saying he should have had Bulovas try a 57 yard FG.
And we made that one too. This was the drive that ended in #4, the fake FG attempt. 5. 5:42 of Q3, 4th and 4 from the Clemson 14. Tua stopped on a QB run. Sure, we could have taken the FG...and cut the lead to 18. If you think that would have put us in a better position to win the game, you just don't do football very well.
6. 12:17 of Q4, 4th and goal from the 2, Tua gets tackled for a loss. But hey, we could have just taken the FG to make the score 44-19.
The ONLY questionable 4th down attempt was the fake FG, and even then, getting the score to 34-19 wasn't going to matter.
Here's a clue, and you should pay attention: When you have to just make up shite to support your position, you've already lost the debate.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:56 am to Crimson Wraith
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Whoa there, Kunta.
What does this mean?
It doesn't mean anything relative to this thread. Among the littany of names I've heard used and that I've used to reference another person or call another person, one is Kunta Kinte, the principle character from Roots, played by LeVar Burton. But it doesn't mean anything. It's just a funny name to say.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 11:58 am to BamaGradinTn
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The ONLY questionable 4th down attempt was the fake FG
My thoughts exactly. I was ok going for it, just not with a fake FG. Leave the offense out there.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 12:16 pm to My2Bits
Posted on 1/15/19 at 12:59 pm to Tw1st3d
Pretty obvious that Tua didn’t read the defense after the snap... multiple times. There really isn’t any other way to put it. On the pick 6, the wide out looked like he was blocking, not running a route. Tua throws it behind or on a route he thought was happening. Either way, it’s on Tua. The deep pick was a lack of reading the coverage after the snap. The TD pass to jeudy was bacicslly getting lucky. He threw a great ball there, but there was wide open route in the middle that would have been the safer play.
Tua just takes too many risky throws. He needs to chill out and read coverage more and stop trying to play video game or highlight reel football.
It’s very coachable, so no biggie. He’ll be ok.
Tua just takes too many risky throws. He needs to chill out and read coverage more and stop trying to play video game or highlight reel football.
It’s very coachable, so no biggie. He’ll be ok.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 1:11 pm to bamabonners
We have the best QB we've maybe EVER had at Bama, and people are debating whether or not he read a few coverages after the snap. I'll put this as simply as possible - our Heisman finalist QB, wasn't the issue.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 1:13 pm to Teague
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I'll put this as simply as possible - our Heisman finalist QB, wasn't the issue.
But he was part of the problem. People who try to make him the main/only cause are reacting to the loss and not his actual performance.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 1:16 pm to Tw1st3d
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A good discussion of how it happened and Tua pre-snap reads vs late D shift.
Alice's Restaurant electronic version of 8 X 10 color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one
Wyatt Film Study AL vs CU
Thanks for posting this.
Wyatt agrees with me and basically said exactly what I did regarding that second interception. However he wasn't attacked for daring to question Tua lol.
Clemson baited Tua showing cover 2 pre-snap, after the snap they rotated to a deep zone. Tua already made up his mind where he read throwing before the snap and never gave a second read after the snap to see they tricked him. MSU exposed this trend which Tua got away with against lesser defenses. This is just the reality.
Anyways, this is all pointless. We're wasting our time because these guys will never see the truth even if it physically hit them.
This post was edited on 1/15/19 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 1/15/19 at 1:19 pm to BamaReb
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YStar - Let me see if I follow what you're saying.
Pre-snap read of coverage allows Tua to make play changes, set routes for that coverage, which has multiple routes with priorities assigned to the routes (1st read, 2nd read, etc.). Tua has performed well in this scenario. 1st read is covered, moves to next available/open receiver.
The better defenses we played later in the year (MSU, UGA and Clemson) showed one coverage/blitz package pre-snap and changed post snap.
You're not saying he had trouble going to check-downs based on pre-snap coverage that didn't change. Your issue is with his ability to adapt to the post-snap change and how it impacted his primary target/read.
And Oklahoma's defense sucked so bad --- it didn't really matter.
Am I off target here?
You're on target.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 1:31 pm to Tider95
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But he was part of the problem.
No he wasn't. Any other QB we put out there would have done worse. We might not have even scored with Hurts as the starter in that game. Clemson had a very good defense. Bama shot themselves in the foot, despite moving the ball well, and clemson made big plays.
The problem was poor game planning, poor calls in the red zone, mistakes, and just a perfect storm of not being able to capitalize. shite happens.
Posted on 1/15/19 at 1:52 pm to prevatt33
I have a bad habbit of calling folks Billy in real life. Bad habbit of course but it is just a light hearted joke and there is a funny story behind it.
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