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Posted on 11/19/19 at 8:56 am to bamagreycoat
Posted on 11/19/19 at 8:56 am to bamagreycoat
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Yes I do expect draft eligible players to sit out the bowl game and I personally can’t blame them one bit. We will probably get Utah again and it’ll be fricken 2009 Sugar Bowl all over again. A highly motivated Utah against a flat, uninterested Bama.
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Posted on 11/19/19 at 9:15 am to Bamadoc
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After the Auburn game it's the combine then the draft no need to risk it. They have done more than enough for themselves and the university
/End thread.
Any response to the contrary get's a big, fat, "Ok, Boomer" sticker.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 9:40 am to ATLabama
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/End thread.
Any response to the contrary get's a big, fat, "Ok, Boomer" sticker.
Do you really believe that there is no possible reasonable argument to the contrary?
Posted on 11/19/19 at 12:53 pm to ATLabama
quote:Such a fashionable and shallow argument.
/End thread.
Any response to the contrary get's a big, fat, "Ok, Boomer" sticker.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 3:57 pm to Funky Tide 8
Hahaha, ok Funky I guess I gotta be the Debbie Downer but I stand by my assessment. I guess the news I read about Carter going into the transfer portal threw me into a downer tail spin. As you know it was a rough weekend man. I’m not recovered yet.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 4:40 pm to ATLabama
If I am any of these guys, even my mom couldn't get me on the field after AU for anything except the CFP.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 5:29 pm to TroyTider
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If I am any of these guys, even my mom couldn't get me on the field after AU for anything except the CFP.
Exactly. A Bowl game with the college football playoff in place (and don't worry, when it eventually gets expanded to 8, will accelerate this trend), is absolutely meaningless.
Times change, and so do priorities. How is everyone here A.O.K. with million dollar hallways that puff out our chest on the 50+ first round draft picks, and marketing letters actually detailing the total amount of rookie contract earnings being sent out to recruits, but not OK when they make decisions to not play in meaningless exhibition games to protect those interests?
The Alabama football twitter/instagram account today posted a spliced video of Julio's game-winning TD against the Eagles this year, and LSU in 2009 with the tagline "it translates."
The only constant in life is change. I've said it before, and I'll say it again - students aren't coming to the University of Alabama because they love the school, or collegiate athletics like you do. They come because it's the best place to prepare themselves for a potential to go to the NFL and make life-altering money. Same reason someone would choose to go to Harvard Business School if they wanted to become a financier.
To be in the position to sit-out, they've likely got a strong inkling that they'll be a first round pick. That means, they've also likely made a program-lasting impact on the field over their 2-4 years playing football in Tuscaloosa. Considering the estimated economic value of star players in college are worth ~1 million dollars, they've far covered the lazy "cost of attendance and training investment" counterargument.
If you watch collegiate sports for "purity," I suggest you take up an interest in Coach Bohannon's baseball team. They've got a team full of guys on fractional scholarships, playing for love of the game.
Until then, arguing against these players opting to sit-out an exhibition game without title implications is laughable, conceited, and outdated.
This post was edited on 11/19/19 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 11/19/19 at 6:03 pm to phil4bama
Yea unfortunately any bowl game we're at I expect many of our star players to sit out & after seeing what happened to Tua & others I can't blame them. Meanwhile the other team we play will probably have 100% participation because of the chance to beat The Mighty Crimson Tide.
Posted on 11/19/19 at 6:33 pm to KareemAbdul
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why wouldn't they?
I have no problem with any player that comes to the decision to sit out a bowl game, but I don’t agree with these comments that there’s no reason for them to play or that it’s a meaningless game.
It’s one last chance to play for a school and coach you chose to play for alongside teammates you chose to play with.
If a guy decides that’s not worth the risk, then I respect his decision. If someone says that’s meaningless, then I think that’s a questionable value perspective. I guarantee you there will come a time that nearly every guy that sits out a bowl will wish they could suit up for their school again.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 9:09 am to TomRollTideRitter
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I have no problem with any player that comes to the decision to sit out a bowl game, but I don’t agree with these comments that there’s no reason for them to play or that it’s a meaningless game.
It's not so much that its "meaningless," but rather much less meaningful than the millions of dollars potentially on the line if they get injured.
For the players with a whole lot more to lose than gain, it just isn't worth playing for sentiment.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 9:27 am to DLev45
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It's not so much that its "meaningless," but rather much less meaningful than the millions of dollars potentially on the line if they get injured.
For the players with a whole lot more to lose than gain, it just isn't worth playing for sentiment.
I would think that its very rare that a 1 round prospect gets seriously injured in their final game. I can think of only 2 off the top of my head in the last several years of watching bowl games.
but, I also get that the risk is 0% if you don't play at all.
This post was edited on 11/20/19 at 9:28 am
Posted on 11/20/19 at 9:34 am to Xignals
We stand a chance to look like the LSU bunch that played UCF last season. This isn't about loyalty as defined during our playoff push and we are going to quickly see that. Coaches are coming and going at a record pace because it's playoffs or bust mentality that has now consumed college football. Coach Saban was preaching these exact circumstances years ago.
The players feel the same way, and frankly, so do a lot of the Bama fans. Is this a failed season and a good waste of talent if Bama can't get across the only finish line that really matters? Fair or unfair, it's a new age reality, it's a failure. The only thing that's on the minds of players good enough to make it to the NFL after failing to make the playoff is their money.
For all those constantly on their soapbox about players being compensated while in college, it would be the height of hypocrisy for them to ever see this as an act of disloyalty to the school if they decide to sit out.
The players feel the same way, and frankly, so do a lot of the Bama fans. Is this a failed season and a good waste of talent if Bama can't get across the only finish line that really matters? Fair or unfair, it's a new age reality, it's a failure. The only thing that's on the minds of players good enough to make it to the NFL after failing to make the playoff is their money.
For all those constantly on their soapbox about players being compensated while in college, it would be the height of hypocrisy for them to ever see this as an act of disloyalty to the school if they decide to sit out.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 9:48 am to bamameister
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We stand a chance to look like the LSU bunch that played UCF last season.
That would be fine with me, if we don't make the playoffs, which seems like we likely won't.
This post was edited on 11/20/19 at 9:49 am
Posted on 11/20/19 at 10:01 am to Funky Tide 8
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That would be fine with me, if we don't make the playoffs, which seems like we likely won't.
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That would be fine with me, if we don't make the playoffs, which seems like we likely won't.
Me too!! As we just were reminded once again, football is a dangerous sport. 5 years is the average shelf life for players who are actually good enough to make a team in the NFL. One year longer than the average college career.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 10:02 am to bamameister
I'd be completely fine playing Virginia or Virginia Tech in the Orange Bowl. Get a nice win, go 12-1 and finish in the Top 5 in our "down year".
Posted on 11/20/19 at 10:14 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I'd be completely fine playing Virginia or Virginia Tech in the Orange Bowl. Get a nice win, go 12-1 and finish in the Top 5 in our "down year
Can Notre Dame be the ACCs Orange Bowl Rep?
Posted on 11/20/19 at 10:20 am to DLev45
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For the players with a whole lot more to lose than gain, it just isn't worth playing for sentiment.
So this begs the question, what’s the point of a potential high draft pick playing any further games once his team is out of playoff contention? We’re basically already starting to see that mentality creep in.
A bowl game is now basically considered a glorified exhibition game when a few years ago it almost defined a season. The playoff is to thank for that because it basically created two different postseasons.
I can see both sides of this. So much money is on the line for these kids that could fundamentally change their life and the lives of their families. However, I’m a college football fan and I don’t want to see the day where a player decides to skip a playoff game because a National Championship doesn’t bring the tangible value that being a first round pick does.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 10:25 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I'd be completely fine playing Virginia or Virginia Tech in the Orange Bowl. Get a nice win, go 12-1 and finish in the Top 5 in our "down year".
That would definitely secure a win. But it will be against a team in a higher rent district. And I hope it's in our second home, NO.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 11:39 am to bamameister
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I can see both sides of this. So much money is on the line for these kids that could fundamentally change their life and the lives of their families. However, I’m a college football fan and I don’t want to see the day where a player decides to skip a playoff game because a National Championship doesn’t bring the tangible value that being a first round pick does.
I think there is a vivid enough line between skipping a playoff game vs. a meaningless bowl game. If you skip the bowl game, the narrative is there that it's "risk prevention." If you skip a playoff game, then you start to get the label of "not a team player."
Also, for those who don't attend Alabama, a playoff game is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. I doubt they'd want to forgo that experience.
Posted on 11/20/19 at 11:48 am to bamameister
I don't know if any bowl game Bama plays would be a easy game.
If Bama doesn't make the playoffs, you will know by the bowl game which juniors will jump to the NFL.
Bama could be without, Jeudy, Ruggs, Smith, Harris, R. Davis, Diggs, Lewis, Jennings, Leatherwood, Willis and McKinney.
The good news is Bama would be preparing the players for next season, but I don't know if Bama wins a Bowl game if those players sit out.
If Bama doesn't make the playoffs, you will know by the bowl game which juniors will jump to the NFL.
Bama could be without, Jeudy, Ruggs, Smith, Harris, R. Davis, Diggs, Lewis, Jennings, Leatherwood, Willis and McKinney.
The good news is Bama would be preparing the players for next season, but I don't know if Bama wins a Bowl game if those players sit out.
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