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re: BoB doesnt deserve all of the hate he's getting for Saturday night.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:58 am to BrianFantana
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:58 am to BrianFantana
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If so, tell me what you would have done with Milroe Saturday night that he already didnt try to do
Part of the problem is that he has done nothing to develop Milroe. He knows he has Bryce (when healthy) and he knows he'll be coaching somewhere else next season. BoB has no desire to develop Milroe, Simpson or anyone else.
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Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:01 am to Panthers4life
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We do need Bryce back and he should be back this week. From what I've read, They kept him out of precaution and he could've played Saturday night. He should be back this weekend because we need Bryce Young to exploit Vol's terrible passing defense.
If he could have gone in the game he would have, in my opinion. I think we had him in pads just to send the signal to UT that they still need to spend some of their week practicing for Bryce.
Maybe i'm just nervous about it all. Boy do we need him.
I agree with someone else's comment above too saying that if Jalen felt he was allowed to break away and run when he wants to we would have had a lot more fun opening up both the passing and running game at times. He would have succeeded a lot more if he had just took the open field in front of him.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:02 am to bogeypro
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A little motion might have also help identify it, but no motion. No adjustments.
This drives me mad with BoB. We should be motioning players around all the time especially with Milroe so he can see, is this man or is this zone. We only motion the back and the TE and both times we motion them into the backfield/line of scrimmage. With a QB struggling to read a defense the best way to make it easier is to do pre snap motion so he can read before the snap. We did none of that.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 11:03 am
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:02 am to FairhopeTider
Don’t really feel like getting in an X and O discussion right now but BOB is very unimaginative . He knows offense (see last year and his past) but his game is Big Ten/NFL type offense) he requires lots of reads and guys to win one on one matchups . He doesn’t help our playmakers at all
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:03 am to BrianFantana
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I disagree about the Chunk plays though.. they were playing Man and we had to at least try to throw a couple over the top or their safeties would have been playing at LB depth.
I didn't necessarily mean we shouldn't have tried to throw the ball down the field. It just seemed like when we tried to do it there was no safety valve underneath. So I can see where that would have led him to hold onto the ball too long trying to make it work instead of just taking off and trying to pick up 10 yards. Both of his fumbles were the result of coverage sacks. That really should not happen twice in one game to a mobile QB.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 11:04 am
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:03 am to DT55Forever1
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Part of the problem is that he has done nothing to develop Milroe. He knows he has Bryce (when healthy) and he knows he'll be coaching somewhere else next season. BoB has no desire to develop Milroe, Simpson or anyone else.
This is the shite that drives me crazy. Are you in the QB room everyday? How about the practice field? Like what a dumbass statement. Take that crap to twitter man.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:06 am to Robot Santa
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It just seemed like when we tried to do it there was no safety valve underneath
Gotcha. I can see that. The two shot plays that come to mind seemed like 2 or 3 man routes where we tried to max protect but I could be wrong.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:07 am to BamaBy50
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We only motion the back and the TE and both times we motion them into the backfield/line of scrimmage.
Still should be able to recognize coverage with this but I get the point. He loves those motions and the orbit motion behind the QB.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:11 am to BrianFantana
Yes and no. It is a lot easier to disguise coverage when you motion back into the backfield vs out of the backfield or across the formation. And since it’s all we ever do I know DC’s watch tape and tell there defense to not move because we aren’t gonna leave the guy out wide.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 11:12 am
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:11 am to DT55Forever1
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Part of the problem is that he has done nothing to develop Milroe.
Excellent point. Milroe is a redshirt freshman.... Has he developed
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 11:13 am
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:12 am to Bear88
I think a&m spied Gibbs a lot. Trying to keep him in check as a passing threat. The offense is one thing, but who is the QB coach? Is that Bob? I think much of the issue is there. You have got to teach a QB to keep the ball up near the ear with 2 hands- that is basic stuff man.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:13 am to YStar
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We haven't had consistent offense since Bill O'Brien has been OC.
And yet had the #4 rated offense in the nation coming into the game and pretty sure it was the #2 offense in the SEC last season.
OBrien isn’t a great OC but he’s a lot better OC than Milroe is a qb
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:15 am to C W
I think Bryce covers O'Brien's issues.... Really a testament to how good Bryce is, imo.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:21 am to bogeypro
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I think Bryce covers O'Brien's issues.... Really a testament to how good Bryce is, imo.
Agree, though I also think that when the WRs are getting off the ball that Bryce's NFL mind works pretty well with BoBs system.
The problem with BoB, outside of lack of creativity, is that he runs a very complicated read based system. If your WRs and QBs aren't experienced and confident in their reads on things the system can absolutely fall apart. However, if the QB/WRs are in sync and reading the same thing, that system can work very well.
So the bad is really really bad (see last game and early season with WR issues) but the good can be really good.
Which is why Bryce is such an insanely huge part of us at this point. We basically run an (outdated) NFL system that relies on a very very quick witted and savvy QB and similar WRs, all of which are on the same page.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 11:24 am
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:27 am to BrianFantana
Ive been saying this same thing. Why are people unwilling to believe that Milroe is simply a TERRIBLE QB? Is it just because he's a fast runner so we WISH he was a good QB?
People are asking why we didnt run an offense based on Milroe's talent. What talent? The kid can run but is a terrible decicion maker and passer. There's nothing to work with. He needs a position change.
Despite all of this, if we don't turn it over 4 times, and miss 2 FGs we still coast to a victory.
People need to stop blaming the staff except for one thing: Ty should've been named the number 2 QB at the beginning of the season, and that's on Coach Saban. Period.
People are asking why we didnt run an offense based on Milroe's talent. What talent? The kid can run but is a terrible decicion maker and passer. There's nothing to work with. He needs a position change.
Despite all of this, if we don't turn it over 4 times, and miss 2 FGs we still coast to a victory.
People need to stop blaming the staff except for one thing: Ty should've been named the number 2 QB at the beginning of the season, and that's on Coach Saban. Period.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:30 am to SummerOfGeorge
People keep saying it's all Bryce Young. It's really not.
He's a phenomenal QB dont get me wrong. But you all will see that the offense will be very effective as long as we have a real QB with an arm and a brain.
I think Stetson Bennett would do very well in our offense, for example.
Milroe is just a joke of a QB. You guys need to give it a rest.
He's a phenomenal QB dont get me wrong. But you all will see that the offense will be very effective as long as we have a real QB with an arm and a brain.
I think Stetson Bennett would do very well in our offense, for example.
Milroe is just a joke of a QB. You guys need to give it a rest.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:32 am to ChromaticTide
I think the biggest issue is we just don't have the ability to "dumb down" the offense because a dumbed down version doesn't exist. The entire thing is based around checks and reads and route break offs and all that.
I do wonder if Jalen just absolutely froze up in game or if they see similar in practice. And if they see it in practice....it does beg to question if Simpson is even close to mentally ready to run the offense. He might not be.
I do wonder if Jalen just absolutely froze up in game or if they see similar in practice. And if they see it in practice....it does beg to question if Simpson is even close to mentally ready to run the offense. He might not be.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:34 am to ChromaticTide
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People keep saying it's all Bryce Young. It's really not.
He's a phenomenal QB dont get me wrong. But you all will see that the offense will be very effective as long as we have a real QB with an arm and a brain.
I agree - I think Bryce is pretty perfect for it. I mean it's that Brady offense of the 2010s. Shotgun, 3-4 wide, route options where the WR and QB read the same thing at the same time.
If you are able to do that with WRs/QBs whose brains work the same and an accurate QB it's incredibly hard to stop. The problem in college is that it's very hard to have both experienced QBs and WRs at the same time every year, making the system a real problem to consistently work well (unlike the NFL).
And, it takes a while to get MOST modern high school QBs up to speed, because most of them grew up in a one read/spread offense and have no experience with this type of deep QB NFL stuff.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 11:36 am
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:37 am to SummerOfGeorge
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And if they see it in practice....it does beg to question if Simpson is even close to mentally ready to run the offense. He might not be.
He almost certainly isn't. Bryce is one of the most cerebral QBs you'll ever see in a college game and he looked confused as frick in mop up duty as a freshman.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 11:38 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I do wonder if Jalen just absolutely froze up in game or if they see similar in practice. And if they see it in practice....it does beg to question if Simpson is even close to mentally ready to run the offense. He might not be.
I think Saban just has a weird thing about playing older guys, especially if they're team guys who follow all the rules and do everything they're asked of. He has an emotional hangup about passing these guys up on the depth chart.
I think it's very likely that Milroe came apart under the bright lights, and Saban decided to just roll with it and try to put the game in the hands of his defense. You know he loves that shite.
I really wouldn't be surprised if Ty is the backup moving forward. Saban's not an idiot
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