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BoB doesnt deserve all of the hate he's getting for Saturday night.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:05 am
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:05 am
Saturday night was bad. Like really dang bad. But BoB doesn't deserve all of the hate he's getting for how bad it was offensively Saturday night. The comments on here have been pretty comical and one of the main one centers around how did he not center is offense around Jalen's talents?? They have had a package for Jalen all yea and Jalen couldn't even run those reads right. You cant install an entire new offense in one week. He had wrinkles with the QB run game that we hadn't seen all year but Off the top of my head I can remember at least 3 times where Jalen makes the wrong read in a read option and the play gets blown up. People wanted more quick game and RPO.. makes sense right, get the ball out of his hand quickly and easy reads. RPO worked great on the play to Burton with the cushion A&M gave him. After that play the cushion disappears.. they stack the box and play a version of man coverage the rest of the game. Man coverage is the RPO beater especially when your receivers cant get separation quickly and you cant beat anyone over the top. I thought BoB realized that and went to a version of Mesh (short crossing routes) to beat man coverage and he hits Brooks for the next TD. The 3rd and 2 sack is a protection bust and we ran a version of mesh on that play and from the endzone camera angle you can see Prentice wide arse open for an easy TD but Milroe didn't have the time to get it to him. The last play everyone has complained about is the 3rd down run up the middle.. we hadnt run jet sweep with Gibbs all game which is probably a tendency with him and McClellan from previous two back sets in earlier games. He brings Gibbs in jet motion which I thought would get the LB's flying out of there on the snap and they played good defense and stayed home. BoB has been bad all year.. he's not Sark or Kiffin and he never will be. We've had some of the best OC's in football lately and we were spoiled. BoB is not that at all and then put a QB in the game that isnt very good and you get the perfect storm that happened Saturday.
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Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:11 am to BrianFantana
I didn't think BoB was very good at all (no motion, no one read throws, no shark motion stuff that we used to run constantly), but you are correct re: Jalen and misreads.
JPW said it over and over on the radio as nicely as he could. Jalen was miss reading on almost every zone read play. It looked like it got to the point where they basically abandoned it late because of how poorly he was reading them and just went with straight run plays.
All in all Jalen was just really, really bad mentally on Saturday. I dunno if it just was too much for him or what, but the amount of mistakes on stuff that was there (run reads, open receivers, wide open lanes to tuck and run, ball security) was the difference in winning 35-10 and winning 24-20. The reluctance to tuck and run when the field was WIDE OPEN tells me he was trying too hard to be "a quarterback" instead of just playing his game. He was CLEARLY trying to stay in the pocket and throw, even with 30 yards of wide open grass in front of him.
Between that and the missed field goals it's honestly incredible that we somehow won that game. Jimbo should be fired on the spot.
JPW said it over and over on the radio as nicely as he could. Jalen was miss reading on almost every zone read play. It looked like it got to the point where they basically abandoned it late because of how poorly he was reading them and just went with straight run plays.
All in all Jalen was just really, really bad mentally on Saturday. I dunno if it just was too much for him or what, but the amount of mistakes on stuff that was there (run reads, open receivers, wide open lanes to tuck and run, ball security) was the difference in winning 35-10 and winning 24-20. The reluctance to tuck and run when the field was WIDE OPEN tells me he was trying too hard to be "a quarterback" instead of just playing his game. He was CLEARLY trying to stay in the pocket and throw, even with 30 yards of wide open grass in front of him.
Between that and the missed field goals it's honestly incredible that we somehow won that game. Jimbo should be fired on the spot.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 10:19 am
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:20 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I didn't think BoB was very good at all (no motion, no one read throws, no shark motion stuff that we used to run constantly), but you are correct re: Jalen and misreads
I agree completely but BoB hasnt been that and wont be that. We just need to be thankful that Bryce Young is here or it would be much worse.. and at the end of the day winning aint a sin!
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:21 am to BrianFantana
Bryce has proven he can work with BoBs system if WRs are doing a decent job getting open. If he's healthy I feel pretty good about the offense moving forward.
But if he's not......I don't see any glimmers of hope at all. It's ugly.
But if he's not......I don't see any glimmers of hope at all. It's ugly.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:23 am to BrianFantana
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BoB has been bad all year.. he's not Sark or Kiffin
He's not even McElwain or Daboll.
Hell, I'd rather have Major Applewhite. I remember a beautiful October day 15 years ago when Applewhite took a suspension depleted OL and throughly abused John Chavis.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 10:26 am
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:23 am to BrianFantana
He deserves every bit of it and if you think this is just about Saturday you don't know the game you are watching.
We haven't had consistent offense since Bill O'Brien has been OC.
Too many 3-and-outs.
Too many moronic calls in high pressure situations.
The guy just isn't creative, can't scheme to attack other team's weaknesses and literally goes away from what works.
We haven't had consistent offense since Bill O'Brien has been OC.
Too many 3-and-outs.
Too many moronic calls in high pressure situations.
The guy just isn't creative, can't scheme to attack other team's weaknesses and literally goes away from what works.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 10:26 am
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:24 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Bryce has proven he can work with BoBs system if WRs are doing a decent job getting open. If he's healthy I feel pretty good about the offense moving forward.
But if he's not......I don't see any glimmers of at all. It's ugly.
Yep. We really need Bryce this coming weekend.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 10:52 am
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:26 am to TidalSurge1
It really is as simple as with Bryce this team can win every single game. Without Bryce we can lose 4 games.
The gap between QB1 and QB2 when you factor in the OC situation is that big. Bryce playing/not playing is truly a 17-21 pt swing.
The gap between QB1 and QB2 when you factor in the OC situation is that big. Bryce playing/not playing is truly a 17-21 pt swing.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:29 am to TidalSurge1
SOG nailed it.
I rewatched the game again for the 3rd time... I have to agree he missed lot of opportunities...
We do need Bryce back and he should be back this week. From what I've read, They kept him out of precaution and he could've played Saturday night. He should be back this weekend because we need Bryce Young to exploit Vol's terrible passing defense.
I rewatched the game again for the 3rd time... I have to agree he missed lot of opportunities...
We do need Bryce back and he should be back this week. From what I've read, They kept him out of precaution and he could've played Saturday night. He should be back this weekend because we need Bryce Young to exploit Vol's terrible passing defense.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:33 am to YStar
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He deserves every bit of it and if you think this is just about Saturday you don't know the game you are watching.
I stated that he's been bad and anyone can see that. I've seen you in multiple threads for months talking about him like you could do the dang job so much better. If so, tell me what you would have done with Milroe Saturday night that he already didnt try to do.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:36 am to SummerOfGeorge
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The gap between QB1 and QB2 when you factor in the OC situation is that big.
THIS. All OC's/DC's need good players.. but BoB needs a lot more than most but thankfully Bryce Young is still here and relatively healthy.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:46 am to BrianFantana
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If so, tell me what you would have done with Milroe Saturday night that he already didnt try to do.
Not give up on the bootleg after it didn't work the one time they tried it early. Some sprint outs or rollouts. Maybe some screen passes to Gibbs or a few jet sweeps to Bond or Prentice. Basically stuff that doesn't require him to think very much, gets the ball into the hands of our playmakers in ways other than conventional runs, and doesn't put him in a position of looking for a chunk play through the air or tucking and running. I also think he was very clearly, and understandably, coached to not get hit. He's a big kid who, prior to Saturday night, had shown a willingness to initiate contact with defenders. Saturday he was getting out of bounds as quickly as he could. Telling a running QB to avoid hits is going to have a chilling effect on his willingness to run in the first place.
Milroe didn't play great, and I don't think anyone is going to deny that, but we really didn't do much to help a clearly overwhelmed player either.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:49 am to SummerOfGeorge
If BoB doesn't get hired by someone else, do we make a change at OC or does Saban continue to try to keep continuity at the coordinator positions and sacrifice quality of offensive coordinator?
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:50 am to Roll Tide Ravens
It's what no one wants to hear, but if Saban had any intention of firing him, he would've done it last year.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:51 am to BrianFantana
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The 3rd and 2 sack is a protection bust
No. This was failure to recognize and adjust to the blitz.
Aggies overloaded the left side. They had 2 extra rushers there and we had a bunch formation with the RB headed to the flats to the left. This left an open runway for the blitz. Prentice blew threw for a shallow route to the right. The blitz should have been recognized at the line. A little motion might have also help identify it, but no motion. No adjustments.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 10:54 am
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:52 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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If BoB doesn't get hired by someone else, do we make a change at OC or does Saban continue to try to keep continuity at the coordinator positions and sacrifice quality of offensive coordinator?
I’d love to see continuity for next year because we are looking at a lot of roster turnover.
That said, it’s not worth it to keep BoB. To this point, he’s been the worst coordinator we’ve had that I can remember. So many of the pain points that we’ve seen since his arrival can be traced to his playcalling & sterile offensive philosophy.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 10:54 am
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:54 am to Robot Santa
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Not give up on the bootleg after it didn't work the one time they tried it early.
I like that, especially with the success we had with the outside zone runs all game. I can think of the one screen off of orbit motion that got blown up. I think a traditional RB screen would have worked with how much pressure Durkin was sending. I disagree about the Chunk plays though.. they were playing Man and we had to at least try to throw a couple over the top or their safeties would have been playing at LB depth. I mean I would have probably told him the same about not taking hits.. if he goes down your left with just Simpson.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:56 am to bogeypro
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No. This was failure to recognize and adjust to the blitz.
Who calls the protection for Bama? Center or QB? Either way that's a protection bust when you dont slide the protection to that side.
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:56 am to FairhopeTider
On 3rd and 3 in the forth.. milroe made the correct read... Handed it off because the read was on the QB. Our left tackle made a half arse attempt of a block... Literally just threw himself on the ground. This allowed them to bring down the RB. Piss poor blocking on the line that play.
This post was edited on 10/10/22 at 10:58 am
Posted on 10/10/22 at 10:57 am to BrianFantana
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Who calls the protection for Bama? Center or QB? Either way that's a protection bust when you dont slide the protection to that side.
Good question... Idk. I see what you're saying... I thought you meant coverage. My bad.
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