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Posted on 4/17/23 at 1:33 pm to bamatide07
Posted on 4/17/23 at 1:33 pm to bamatide07
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Part of the reason we didn't run the ball as much was because Jase and Roydell weren't 100% recovered from their knee injuries suffered in 2021. Gibbs was an amazing athlete but he's not a power back.
They were healthier than Bryce.
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Posted on 4/17/23 at 1:35 pm to TizzyT4theUofA
They, meaning Bryce, Jase and Roydell, weren't 100% healthy until the final few weeks of the season. By then it didn't matter. The season was over for all intents and purposes.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 1:45 pm to bamatide07
Bryce lost confidence in his protection. He had people in his face almost immediately. Fortunately, he was athletic enough to buy time in a bad scheme with average WR play.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 1:59 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Like I said before Milroe to me looked good. It seems like you saw the same.
Saw it, and I concur Boz.
Just based on Saturday, it's 100% Milroe at this point, unless something drastically changes.
He didn't complete all the throws, but he made all the throws, and in his defense there was some clear chemistry/timing issues with the carousel of linemen and receivers.
I'm rooting for Simpson to do well, but he just didn't look great. Thought his delivery was too slow, and when he compensated to speed it up, he tended to overthrow. He also held the ball wayyy too long. You can tell someone is working with him and I'm sure he'll get there, but he's just not ready yet. (Right now he still looks like a high school QB, IMO.)
Not sure if it's been mentioned, but there was also a noticeable difference in how Milroe acted with the team. It was more of a Tua/Mac deal where he applauded the linemen, high-fived the skill players, etc. To be clear — I'm not talking in terms of skill, just leadership. The team energy was totally different when Milroe came on the field.
As a side note, we kicked a lot. I think Will only missed one (or two) really long ones, but made at least one 55-ish yarder confortably. Only saw a backup come in once to kick, and don't know who he was.
Burnip punted one about 65-yards in the air, and several 60-yarders. I believe he only shanked one, and I blame the long snapper for that one, because he ran on the field really late after everyone else was already set.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 2:05 pm to paperwasp
Ty Simpson still looking like a high school QB is a product of hie useless Bill O'Brien truly was.
Didn't make anything or anyone better. Dude is a thief
Didn't make anything or anyone better. Dude is a thief
Posted on 4/17/23 at 2:11 pm to YStar
This was my exact thought as soon as I read Simpson was still looking like a high school QB. I’m sure BOB did zero for his development.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 2:23 pm to Sl0thstronautEsq
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Alabama QB Bryce Young has canceled his remaining pre-draft visits, per sources — another sign to back up belief within the league that the 2021 Heisman Trophy winner will be the #Panthers’ pick at No. 1 overall.
Young also visited the #Texans, who draft No. 2.
Bryce is now a 10 to 1 favorite to be #1 overall. The newest rumor is that the Texans loved Young and that they are trying to trade down from the #2 pick since Young is essentially gone.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 3:17 pm to paperwasp
I can't say I ever understood the hate for Milroe. I think the dude can be a baller.
When he was in the game, I saw a faster, stronger-armed version of 2016 Jalen Hurts, who won SEC Offensive Player of the Year and took us to the National Championship Game.
I blame him looking so poorly on our offensive staff not playing to his obvious advantages. I get that our offense under BOB was an pro-style offense with NFL route concepts, yada yada yada, but the moment Bryce went down, we should have been dusting off Kiffin's 2014 Blake Sims/2016 Jalen Hurts concepts and letting Milroe cook.
As Hurts showed us in 2016, you can win a lot of games by letting an athlete be an athlete back there with designed runs and 2-reads and takeoff passing.
We didn't need him to be Peyton Manning back there. Or even Tua, Mac, or Bryce.
As much as we struggled to run it on 3rd/4th and short, if we are insistent on running those plays from shotgun, then it was asinine to never even attempt to bring Milroe in to run QB power behind another TE/OL/DL/LB in the backfield as an extra blocker.
We used to do that with Mount Cody, Daron Payne, etc. quite often.
When he was in the game, I saw a faster, stronger-armed version of 2016 Jalen Hurts, who won SEC Offensive Player of the Year and took us to the National Championship Game.
I blame him looking so poorly on our offensive staff not playing to his obvious advantages. I get that our offense under BOB was an pro-style offense with NFL route concepts, yada yada yada, but the moment Bryce went down, we should have been dusting off Kiffin's 2014 Blake Sims/2016 Jalen Hurts concepts and letting Milroe cook.
As Hurts showed us in 2016, you can win a lot of games by letting an athlete be an athlete back there with designed runs and 2-reads and takeoff passing.
We didn't need him to be Peyton Manning back there. Or even Tua, Mac, or Bryce.
As much as we struggled to run it on 3rd/4th and short, if we are insistent on running those plays from shotgun, then it was asinine to never even attempt to bring Milroe in to run QB power behind another TE/OL/DL/LB in the backfield as an extra blocker.
We used to do that with Mount Cody, Daron Payne, etc. quite often.
This post was edited on 4/17/23 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 4/17/23 at 3:25 pm to paperwasp
Some other random thoughts — I'll preface this by saying it was really hard to get a good read overall because so many guys were out, and there was never any consistent offensive lineman grouping, for example. Remember this scrimmage was more scenario-based as opposed to an actual game, but here's what I saw:
Both #19s were noticeably good. Kendrick Law (WR) looked to be our big play guy, at least on Saturday. Keanu Koht (LB) was all over the field, and was a headhunter.
Think Jermaine Burton (WR) caught maybe one and I can't remember Ja'Corey Brooks (WR) ever getting a target.
Jase McClellan (RB) got limited action, and looked a little bigger. Roydell Williams (RB) seems to be our jumbo back, and I love that kid, but IDK about his role. Justice Haynes, Jam Miller, and Jonathan Bennett (all RBs) had impressive days and all seemed to want to initiate contact.
Amari Niblack (TE) got a lot of looks with mixed results from the QBs, but it seems like they want him to be a go-to target. CJ Dippre (TE) had more of a blocking role.
Kadyn Proctor is a large human being. He played several positions but IMO looked best at LT, with Darrian Dalcourt at LG, and Seth McLaughlin at C. Think we had JC Latham on the right side with that group. Did not like Dalcourt at C.
Defense got stops, but I have to think they knew some of the wrinkles ahead of time — one was a direct snap to the motion receiver, for example. Most of the LBs were out, but the aforementioned Koht and Kendrick Blackshire looked good. I think they only gave up a couple of scores in goal line, one on a Simpson scramble, and one short run up the middle by Roydell.
Earl Little (DB) and Caleb Downs (DB) both looked like returning starters, and are fast. Malachi Moore (DB) looked quick and comfortable, and seemed like he'd put on some muscle. Kool-Aid McKinstry (DB) looked roughly the same, which was good.
Honestly can't remember anything special from any of the DL. I think Freddie Roach screamed at every single one of them at some point.
Regarding the portal talk, someone specifically asked Saban his thoughts and it appeared that they weren't actively seeking out anyone. He said he'd take a player who fit what they needed, but I've heard him answer this before in a different way when he was working it hard, and it just didn't feel like that was the case right now. Of course I'm sure he's not going to tell us explicitly anyway, so take that FWIW.
Other than a few off-comments, Saban didn't really mention anyone or any grouping in particular except the DL, which he also seemed displeased with.
He reiterated that all the guys who were out have been out most of the Spring, and should be fine. No new injuries to report, although Jam Miller got knocked goofy once and came back in later (Saban said he had a specific leg-related injury, but it looked like a bell-ringing to me).
Both #19s were noticeably good. Kendrick Law (WR) looked to be our big play guy, at least on Saturday. Keanu Koht (LB) was all over the field, and was a headhunter.
Think Jermaine Burton (WR) caught maybe one and I can't remember Ja'Corey Brooks (WR) ever getting a target.
Jase McClellan (RB) got limited action, and looked a little bigger. Roydell Williams (RB) seems to be our jumbo back, and I love that kid, but IDK about his role. Justice Haynes, Jam Miller, and Jonathan Bennett (all RBs) had impressive days and all seemed to want to initiate contact.
Amari Niblack (TE) got a lot of looks with mixed results from the QBs, but it seems like they want him to be a go-to target. CJ Dippre (TE) had more of a blocking role.
Kadyn Proctor is a large human being. He played several positions but IMO looked best at LT, with Darrian Dalcourt at LG, and Seth McLaughlin at C. Think we had JC Latham on the right side with that group. Did not like Dalcourt at C.
Defense got stops, but I have to think they knew some of the wrinkles ahead of time — one was a direct snap to the motion receiver, for example. Most of the LBs were out, but the aforementioned Koht and Kendrick Blackshire looked good. I think they only gave up a couple of scores in goal line, one on a Simpson scramble, and one short run up the middle by Roydell.
Earl Little (DB) and Caleb Downs (DB) both looked like returning starters, and are fast. Malachi Moore (DB) looked quick and comfortable, and seemed like he'd put on some muscle. Kool-Aid McKinstry (DB) looked roughly the same, which was good.
Honestly can't remember anything special from any of the DL. I think Freddie Roach screamed at every single one of them at some point.
Regarding the portal talk, someone specifically asked Saban his thoughts and it appeared that they weren't actively seeking out anyone. He said he'd take a player who fit what they needed, but I've heard him answer this before in a different way when he was working it hard, and it just didn't feel like that was the case right now. Of course I'm sure he's not going to tell us explicitly anyway, so take that FWIW.
Other than a few off-comments, Saban didn't really mention anyone or any grouping in particular except the DL, which he also seemed displeased with.
He reiterated that all the guys who were out have been out most of the Spring, and should be fine. No new injuries to report, although Jam Miller got knocked goofy once and came back in later (Saban said he had a specific leg-related injury, but it looked like a bell-ringing to me).
Posted on 4/17/23 at 3:29 pm to paperwasp
The rant is going to melt like butter over how good Milroe will be this season.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 3:32 pm to DLev45
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I can't say I ever understood the hate for Milroe. I think the dude can be a baller.
When he was in the game, I saw a faster, stronger-armed version of freshman Jalen Hurts, who won SEC Offensive Player of the Year that year.
I blame him looking so poorly on our offensive staff not playing to his obvious advantages. I get that our offense under BOB was an pro-style offense with NFL route concepts, yada yada yada, but the moment Bryce went down, we should have been dusting off Kiffin's 2014 Blake Sims/2016 Jalen Hurts concepts and letting Milroe cook.
As much as we struggled to run it on 3rd/4th and short, if we are insistent on running those plays from shotgun, then it was asinine to never even attempt to bring Milroe in to run QB power behind another TE/OL/DL/LB in the backfield as an extra blocker.
We used to do that with Mount Cody, Daron Payne, etc. quite often.
I don't see any hate for Milroe. None at all. There are two things going on.
(1) We saw him play last season and his limitations then were obvious. That causes fans to have concerns if Milroe has improved enough to successfully lead this team especially with the talent that will surround him on the offense.
(2) The one time immediate transfer rule has changed the game immensely to the point that Jalen Hurts and Blake Sims comparisons are not appropriate. A program like Bama never has to settle for sub-par QB play anymore when you can acquire a stud QB whenever you are in need. For instance, if Bama were to acquire Drake Maye all of us would be in support of it.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 3:32 pm to paperwasp
Good to hear on Koht. He seems like a guy that needed time to add good muscle and marinate in the program. Kind of like Christian Miller from a few years ago. I'm also very excited about Kendrick Law. He looked like a very good player when he got in the game. Had two massive third down receptions in the Auburn game and also had a couple against Ole Miss.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 3:41 pm to DLev45
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I saw a faster, stronger-armed version of freshman Jalen Hurts
Again, can't speak to deep down-field accuracy because there were so many different targets and scenarios, but dude has a cannon.
Pretty sure one of his throws down the right side was a 50-yard heater that fell incomplete because the WR either slowed up or lost the ball. Looked completely effortless on his part. He did drop at least one perfect ball like that (albeit shorter) in the bucket to Law down the sideline.
Just hope he can consistently dial it in once we establish the receivers, but speed or arm strength will not be a problem with Milroe at all.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 3:47 pm to bamatide07
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Good grief. Go cheer for another team.
So I comment on someone else saying he’s not ready and multiple sources stating they are looking at a portal QB and now I should go cheer for another team?
I have some suggestions for what you can go do.
This post was edited on 4/17/23 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 4/17/23 at 3:50 pm to Shaft Williams
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I don't see any hate for Milroe. None at all. There are two things going on.
(1) We saw him play last season and his limitations then were obvious. That causes fans to have concerns if Milroe has improved enough to successfully lead this team especially with the talent that will surround him on the offense.
(2) The one time immediate transfer rule has changed the game immensely to the point that Jalen Hurts and Blake Sims comparisons are not appropriate. A program like Bama never has to settle for sub-par QB play anymore when you can acquire a stud QB whenever you are in need. For instance, if Bama were to acquire Drake Maye all of us would be in support of it.
I agree, we saw his limitations. We also saw his strengths, which I thought were very strong. That's why my dissatisfaction was with BOB's adjustments for Milroe and not Milroe's limitations. You can win a lot of games emphasizing what Milroe is good at. Kiffin did it with 2 different guys.
Of course we would all welcome a sure-fire 1st round transfer like Drake May. But as far as I am aware, there isn't anyone like that out there.
And my point was that I believe Milroe to be capable of much better than sub-par QB play, just based on what we already saw last year, IF, and big IF, we scheme for his strengths.
Two NFL teams are about to use Top 10 picks on Will Levis and Anthony Richardson, and I think Milroe has a similar profile. 6'2, 220, A+ athlete with a cannon. I think Milroe's potential is very underrated by our own fanbase.
This post was edited on 4/17/23 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 4/17/23 at 3:58 pm to DLev45
I’d feel a lot better about Milroe if I knew the OL was going to be able to run block at an elite level this year.
A consistent run game would make a young QBs life much easier.
A consistent run game would make a young QBs life much easier.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 4:04 pm to bamatide07
Hopefully both guys continue to progress and may the best man win. We will need both to win a championship. Being a champion is more than just on the field results. We need a leader in practice and off the field.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 4:05 pm to paperwasp
I am curious to see if any of the freshmen coming in this summer will make an impact. Keon Keeley, Yhonzae Pierre and Richard Young are high level athletes.
Posted on 4/17/23 at 4:06 pm to tide06
Jalen sure did improve tremendously …. Maybe Milroe can/will/ has improve(d) 
. Coaches see em everyday , they will put the best out there
. Coaches see em everyday , they will put the best out there 
Posted on 4/17/23 at 4:30 pm to Bear88
Elijah Brown in the portal
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