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Posted by WeWillFly
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 3:56 pm to
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He might not be that impressive, but the kid sure is fun to watch play.


True, baw

Elko has those kids ready to fight and has Duke ranked (which is odd and nice at the same time)
Posted by CrimsonBoz
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 4:12 pm to
He did in the scrimmage and was the 3rd best QB of the day.

Buchner was the best that day and I’ve stood on that ground the entire time.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 4:14 pm to
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Simpson has never gotten a chance with the first team offense so it’s impossible to know




Right. That was my point. It is possible that he could play worse than Milroe. It is also possible that he sucks in practice and could play really good in games.
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 4:27 pm to
Since spring Rodney Orr and some other practice observers have indicated that sometimes Simpson appears to have more upside than either of the other 2 but like the others is also inconsistent. Orr also said that Simpson was taking snaps this week with the first team though not as often as Buchner. Finally, the latest rumor from some , and not sure I believe this, but that Simpson is in the doghouse now for flipping off Middle Tn State fans.
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Posted by RollTide33
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 4:30 pm to
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It is also possible that he sucks in practice and could play really good in games.


I've coached 10 years and I've never been in a situation where I thought to myself "Hey this kid has been one of the worst at his position in all our practices but let me stick him in the game and see what happens."

If my starter is falling apart I'm putting in the guy who's been the next best player in practices. If reports are true that Ty's problem is largely mental, that he lets bad plays get in his head and snowball, that may not be something that is an easy fix.

Quarterbacks and pitchers especially among athletes well pardon my french but once their head is fricked it can be really hard if not impossible to unfrick.
Posted by John Milner
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 4:37 pm to
You’ve never had or seen players that were gamers? Apparently, according to practice observers back in the day, Shaun Alexander was one good example.

Perhaps you’ve had players that might have played well given a chance and you just never knew it.
Posted by LovetheLord
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 4:37 pm to
More important for us going forward is dealing with the "Tells" we gave against Texas. They knew if we were running or passing, and sometimes where we were going.

It is really, really hard to beat a team when they know if you are going to run or pass. It really is no wonder Texas was able to beat us on pass rush so effectively. It was "Pin your ears back" for 3.5 quarters.
Posted by Teague
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Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 4:39 pm to
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I've coached 10 years and I've never been in a situation where I thought to myself "Hey this kid has been one of the worst at his position in all our practices but let me stick him in the game and see what happens."


To be fair, from all reports, there was very little separation between any of the QB's in practice.
Posted by LovetheLord
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 4:40 pm to
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Quarterbacks and pitchers especially among athletes well pardon my french but once their head is fricked it can be really hard if not impossible to unfrick.



I can testify to this from a baseball player's perspective. Heck, most of us have had the yips putting. It is basically the same thing.
Posted by RollTide33
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 5:06 pm to
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Perhaps you’ve had players that might have played well given a chance and you just never knew it.


Perhaps. But I doubt it. People act like coaches don't have mountains of practice data that support their lineup decisions. Maybe a guy who's solid in practice but not spectacular finds a different gear in a game and starts balling out.

But the guy who's 4th or 5th in line and makes tons of mistakes in practice? He's probably right where he's supposed to be. Not to mention you start playing guys who haven't earned it over guys who are practicing well and your practices become meaningless.
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 5:26 pm to
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the guy who's 4th or 5th in line and makes tons of mistakes in practice?


But that apparently isn’t the case here. Saban himself has said it was close between the 3 of them and several practice observers have indicated Simpson appears to have the most upside
Posted by Marktastic86
Pismo Beach, CA
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:08 pm to
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People act like coaches don't have mountains of practice data that support their lineup decisions.

Best guess as to how Milroe ended up getting the start? Taking that into consideration, I'd guess the Bama coaches were just hoping the light would turn on during live action and his athleticism could hide his deficiencies until the rest caught up. Otherwise hard to believe they couldn't see his clear limitations in the passing game until it was too late last week.
Posted by Alabama_Fan
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Posted on 9/15/23 at 7:15 pm to
Bama vs USF preview

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Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 9/16/23 at 2:58 am to
I went to 1 scrimmage and 2 practices at full length and never at any point did I think Milroe or Simpson were better than Buchner. Lonergan showed flashes but very young.

Buchner could very well come in and fall apart but at practice he looked the part to me.
Posted by Amarillo Tide
Amarillo, TX
Member since Aug 2023
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Posted on 9/16/23 at 7:56 am to
Yes, Shaun Alexander was a "gamer" but a terrible practice player and wasn't playing because he didn't practice hard. He probably would've played earlier and posted insane career numbers at Bama if he'd done like he was supposed to do.
Posted by Chad4Bama
Member since Sep 2020
8779 posts
Posted on 9/16/23 at 8:40 am to
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Riley Leonard at Duke


IMO, hot take but he's not that impressive.



More impressive than what our QB room has shown. Accurate, good arm, can run, smart and is a natural leader. And he's doing it at Duke.
Posted by LovetheLord
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 9/16/23 at 8:48 am to
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Yes, Shaun Alexander was a "gamer" but a terrible practice player and wasn't playing because he didn't practice hard. He probably would've played earlier and posted insane career numbers at Bama if he'd done like he was supposed to do.


If this is true, then I think we can agree that Shuan was very fortunate to ever see the field. If I am coaching any sport, I am playing the guys who can show me they can and will do it at practice.

That's not just old school coaching. That's common sense.
Posted by Alabama_Fan
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Posted on 9/16/23 at 10:17 am to
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Posted by tide06
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Posted on 9/16/23 at 11:56 am to
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Other than Maye nobody that I can think of. We got Bryce in 2020 and that was our guy. Maye was our priority in 2021 until he flipped to UNC and then we shifted to Milroe and got him to flip from Texas. And then in 2022 our main target was Simpson and we got him.

Agree with all of this.

Ty Simpson was supposed to be “the guy” by now, but just like the Blake Barnett situation he wasnt quite there yet so Milroe, who was a developmental guy with incredible upside but who needed a ton of work seeing the field is out there a year or so before he’s ready.

In modern CFB you can only hold onto a top flight QB so long before they transfer so the margin for error is slim and had they taken a guy like Sam Hartman or Devin Leary both Milroe and Simpson would’ve transferred immediately.

They were betting on one or both of Milroe and Simpson figuring it out, but when it got to the spring and it was still a mess they brought in a guy who Rees knew and liked and who would immediately be able to run the offense due to having a couple years experience with it.

Even had they gotten a top QB that late in the process it’s not at all a sure thing he could’ve been ready to play at a championship level running a new to him offense.
Posted by FairhopeTider
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Posted on 9/16/23 at 11:58 am to
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Don't tell me what to do.


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