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JustGetItRight
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re: "All Lives Can't Matter Until Black Lives Matter" - UA Football Video
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Not sure what to tell someone that can't differentiate people being killed by law enforcement sworn to protect and serve and people being killed by other citizens. While both are tragic and senseless, one perpetuates a perception that those lives are deemed unworthy by the state and system.


I get that, I really do but to emphasize one without looking at the other is at best hypocritical. They're joined at the hip.

As long as you can continue to hear the news of a murder with absolutely no other information, assume a black guy did it and be right more than you're wrong there will be problems.

I wish I knew how to fix that problem because if you did you'd fix a WHOLE lot of problems. BLM focusing even 1/4th of the effort they put on police issues could help drive positive change but they won't do it.
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RollTide1987
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re: "All Lives Can't Matter Until Black Lives Matter" - UA Football Video
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Not sure what to tell someone that can't differentiate people being killed by law enforcement sworn to protect and serve and people being killed by other citizens.


One happens much more frequently than the other.

We don't have the 2019 data as of yet but, if it's anything like the previous years, there were like something between 16,000-18,000 homicides in the United States last year. Of that number, that we know of, 28 were committed by the police against unarmed civilians (19 of them were white, 9 were black). By comparison, 48 police officers were killed in felonious acts last year.
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Fells
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re: "All Lives Can't Matter Until Black Lives Matter" - UA Football Video
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Do you see where the term "All Lives Matter" could be used in those situations and not be viewed as racist?



The issue is that "All Lives Matter" is a phrase used to dismiss Black Lives Matter and nothing more.

The people who use it aren't out there protesting police brutality and social inequality for everyone. They aren't using that as a term to lift everyone up, they are using it to tell a bunch of people who have extreme concerns about serious issues to shut the frick up.

There is nothing wrong with targeting a specific part of the problem and that by no means is dismissing abuse against any one else.
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Fleurs
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re: "All Lives Can't Matter Until Black Lives Matter" - UA Football Video
Reading this thread, it's hard not to feel so thankful we have a coach running our football program who is a strong enough leader to proudly post a message like this, standing in solidarity with his players, without giving even a second thought to what the kind of people who think a statement on police brutality is communism or virtue signaling or whatever it is you all are trying to say will think about it.

Not every program is so lucky, but by god we are.
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RollTide1987
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re: "All Lives Can't Matter Until Black Lives Matter" - UA Football Video
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The people who use it aren't out there protesting police brutality and social inequality for everyone. They aren't using that as a term to lift everyone up, they are using it to tell a bunch of people who have extreme concerns about serious issues to shut the frick up.


Or....people are simply insulted by the insinuation that they don't believe black lives matter. By the way...you can support the slogan "black lives matter" while not supporting Black Lives Matter. The latter is a Marxist organization that was founded on the back of a lie that continues to be promulgated to this very day.

I doubt very seriously that there is a single person in this thread who doesn't believe black lives matter. I'm fairly certain 98% of Americans believe black lives matter. The movement has been co-opted by ashamed white people and militant black people who want to tear the entire system apart and replace it with a Marxist utopia.


Fleurs
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I don't think Nick Saban is a communist. He's just a Democrat.


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TideSaint
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The people who use it aren't out there protesting police brutality and social inequality for everyone.


Perhaps the people who use it aren't fond of making martyrs of people with violent criminal pasts?

I mean, there is video of Rayshard Brooks resisting arrest and aiming a taser at the cops. The cops administered CPR once he was shot. They didn't show up hoping to kill him and they tried to save him. Their training kicked in once they viewed him as a threat and their training kicked in when they saw he wasn't a threat anymore.

We haven't been allowed to see the bodycam footage of the George Floyd incident yet, but his criminal history was extensive.

You ever think that maybe people don't protest the killing of whites by police because they feel like they got what they deserved?

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There is nothing wrong with targeting a specific part of the problem


No, there's not.

But it's certainly disingenuous to ONLY protest that Black Lives Matter when thousands of blacks are killed by one another each year compared to the 9 killed by cops last year.

Black Lives Matter all the time. Not just when the police are involved. That's the issue.


RollTide1987
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Black Lives Matter all the time. Not just when the police are involved. That's the issue.


100% this.

And that's why I can't get fully into the movement. Everyone loses their shite when a cop kills a black man or when a white man kills a black man. But there are literally dozens of cases every single day of black-on-black homicide. To that the masses are totally silent.

What they are protesting is an exception to the rule. Inter-racial crime, whether it be black-on-white or white-on-black, is quite rare. Even rarer are cops killing unarmed civilians for no apparent reason.


imjustafatkid
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Pathetic.

It was a good run.


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Tw1st3d
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Well written. Well executed. Fantastic message.

The BLM Corporation and the events/actions they promote is admitted and classic Marxist Socialism. Anyone you ties themselves to that organization or their sister organization ANTIFA are part of the scourge that plagues this country.

I do not in any way connect the statement these kids put together with the BLM Corporation or movement. What these kids did is the way the injustices experienced by so many should be addressed. I tip my hat to them! Well Done young men.


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re: "All Lives Can't Matter Until Black Lives Matter" - UA Football Video
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While both are tragic and senseless, one perpetuates a perception that those lives are deemed unworthy by the state and system.

While both are tragic and senseless, one is FAR more common compared to the other yet garners little nation wide outrage. One perpetuates a perception that those lives are deemed unworthy by the people saying black lives matter while only selectively caring when and where it matters.


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imjustafatkid
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The BLM Corporation and the events/actions they promote is admitted and classic Marxist Socialism.


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What these kids did is the way the injustices experienced by so many should be addressed.


They're using the language of the BLM organization.

"All lives can't matter until black lives matter" is a load of crap. Simply leaving that garbage out would have made it a reasonable message.


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imjustafatkid
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re: "All Lives Can't Matter Until Black Lives Matter" - UA Football Video
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Not sure what to tell someone that can't differentiate people being killed by law enforcement sworn to protect and serve and people being killed by other citizens. While both are tragic and senseless, one perpetuates a perception that those lives are deemed unworthy by the state and system.


There is no systemic racism. It's a myth unsupported by facts.


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bogeypro
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re: "All Lives Can't Matter Until Black Lives Matter" - UA Football Video
Really wish they would have just stayed out of it... and that's not being racist.

I truly hope coronavirus keeps all sports shut down... it'll all be a political shite show anyway.


Cobrasize
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I truly hope coronavirus keeps all sports shut down... it'll all be a political shite show anyway.


I believe that you’re going to get your wish


bogeypro
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crossing my fingers


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calgrad
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re: "All Lives Can't Matter Until Black Lives Matter" - UA Football Video
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However, no one seems to protest about black lives mattering until it involves the police or a white person committing the murder.


Not true. I have marched to in peaceful demonstrations to stop black-on-black violence, gone back to my neighborhood and rehabbed homes, worked outreach with convicted felons, volunteered at the county jail, mentored youth, and taught GED classes at a women's shelter. The majority of African Americans are tired of this shite. The ceasing of the misery and degradation in our communities begins at home. The reason that media does not publicize it, is because this side of African American culture is not seen as sexy. Unless we're burning Rap Albums or R Kelly music, rioting, or having an idiotic funeral for the N-word, the ratings are not there.


RollTide1987
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re: "All Lives Can't Matter Until Black Lives Matter" - UA Football Video
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I have marched to in peaceful demonstrations to stop black-on-black violence, gone back to my neighborhood and rehabbed homes, worked outreach with convicted felons, volunteered at the county jail, mentored youth, and taught GED classes at a women's shelter. The majority of African Americans are tired of this shite.


I'm very happy to hear that and assume, maybe too much, that you are black. I'm talking about white people like myself who only seem to care about this shite when it's on TV.


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14&Counting
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I believe that you’re going to get your wish



We're fricked.....Kick off against USC is almost 2 months out
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imjustafatkid
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re: "All Lives Can't Matter Until Black Lives Matter" - UA Football Video
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Not true. I have marched to in peaceful demonstrations to stop black-on-black violence, gone back to my neighborhood and rehabbed homes, worked outreach with convicted felons, volunteered at the county jail, mentored youth, and taught GED classes at a women's shelter. The majority of African Americans are tired of this shite. The ceasing of the misery and degradation in our communities begins at home. The reason that media does not publicize it, is because this side of African American culture is not seen as sexy. Unless we're burning Rap Albums or R Kelly music, rioting, or having an idiotic funeral for the N-word, the ratings are not there.


This is the kind of stuff I would love to see more of. You're right that I never hear about this happening.


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