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Alabama gives away 6.3 points in penalties/ST errors on the road, gave up 9.4 to Vols
Posted on 10/20/22 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 10/20/22 at 12:33 pm
Penalty yards are just like regular yards, just not recorded the same way on the stat sheet. Below, you can see the "total yardage gained" (offensive yards + opponent penalty yards + opponent screw ups on special teams that gave away yards) and "total yardage allowed" (defensive yards allowed + our penalty yards + our screw ups on special teams that gave away yards aka bad snap/fumble touch/onside kick).
The first section shows the total yardage including all the yards - thats the true yardage of the game. The pts are then divided by yards to get total points per yard for that game.
The next section shows only the actual yardage during the game - assuming a clean game with no penalties and no huge ST mistakes. Keep in mind, this does not even touch regular turnovers (see Texas A&M - doesn't change anything for those).
Penalties and special teams cost us, in the final score margin:
- 2.5 points @ Texas (changes the margin from Alabama by 1 to Alabama by 3.5). Texas gained a net of +70 yards in penalties.
- 6.9 points @ Arkansas (changes the margin from Alabama by 23 to Alabama by 29.9). Between the onside kick and bad snap punt along with the penalties, we gave Arkansas +216 extra yards. 216!. Arkansas gained a net of +185 yards in penalties/ST screwups.
- 9.4 points @ Tennessee (changes the margin from Tennessee by 3 to Alabama by 6.4). Between the muffed punt and penalties, we gave Tennessee +180 extra yards. Tennessee gained a net of +141 yards in penalties/ST screwups.
(a) If nothing else changed but penalties and not making massively awful special teams errors, we'd be undefeated, though still with a few close games
(b) All 3 of the games in which we gave away the most yardage and points via stupid self inflected errors were our 3 road games. We have given away an average of 6.3 PPG in penalties and special teams errors on the road this year. We've basically spotted opponents a touchdown at the opening kickoff.
Again, if we added in turnovers and the yardage lost/gained by those, the A&M score would probably change by 7-10 points as well.
We just give things away. Over and over. Just hand them over.
Also, we handed Arkansas almost 3 football fields of penalties and screw ups, had our starting QB get hurt in the 2nd quarter and still won the game by 23 points. Good gosh they suck.
The first section shows the total yardage including all the yards - thats the true yardage of the game. The pts are then divided by yards to get total points per yard for that game.
The next section shows only the actual yardage during the game - assuming a clean game with no penalties and no huge ST mistakes. Keep in mind, this does not even touch regular turnovers (see Texas A&M - doesn't change anything for those).
Penalties and special teams cost us, in the final score margin:
- 2.5 points @ Texas (changes the margin from Alabama by 1 to Alabama by 3.5). Texas gained a net of +70 yards in penalties.
- 6.9 points @ Arkansas (changes the margin from Alabama by 23 to Alabama by 29.9). Between the onside kick and bad snap punt along with the penalties, we gave Arkansas +216 extra yards. 216!. Arkansas gained a net of +185 yards in penalties/ST screwups.
- 9.4 points @ Tennessee (changes the margin from Tennessee by 3 to Alabama by 6.4). Between the muffed punt and penalties, we gave Tennessee +180 extra yards. Tennessee gained a net of +141 yards in penalties/ST screwups.
(a) If nothing else changed but penalties and not making massively awful special teams errors, we'd be undefeated, though still with a few close games
(b) All 3 of the games in which we gave away the most yardage and points via stupid self inflected errors were our 3 road games. We have given away an average of 6.3 PPG in penalties and special teams errors on the road this year. We've basically spotted opponents a touchdown at the opening kickoff.
Again, if we added in turnovers and the yardage lost/gained by those, the A&M score would probably change by 7-10 points as well.
We just give things away. Over and over. Just hand them over.
Also, we handed Arkansas almost 3 football fields of penalties and screw ups, had our starting QB get hurt in the 2nd quarter and still won the game by 23 points. Good gosh they suck.
This post was edited on 10/20/22 at 1:02 pm
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Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:06 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I find it amusing when Bama fans say things like, "man, if 3 or 4 plays had gone differently, we'd be 4-3" (or whatever).
Well, yeah, and if 3 or 4 plays had gone differently, it's possible we'd be 7-0, having covered almost every spread.
There's a reason why they say football is a game of inches.
Well, yeah, and if 3 or 4 plays had gone differently, it's possible we'd be 7-0, having covered almost every spread.
There's a reason why they say football is a game of inches.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:09 pm to Sl0thstronautEsq
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I find it amusing when Bama fans say things like, "man, if 3 or 4 plays had gone differently, we'd be 4-3" (or whatever).
Well, yeah, and if 3 or 4 plays had gone differently, it's possible we'd be 7-0, having covered almost every spread.
There's a reason why they say football is a game of inches.
It's just wild how horrid we've been in giving away hidden yardage this season, especially on the road. And not small amounts that shift a possession or two, massive amounts that almost double opponents total yardage. It's just horrid.
215 yards worth against Arkansas! TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN FREE YARDS! 180 yards to Tennessee! A team that needed absolutely ZERO assistance, and yet, HERE YOU GO!
This post was edited on 10/20/22 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:17 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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It's just wild how horrid we've been in giving away hidden yardage this season, especially on the road. And not small amounts that shift a possession or two, massive amounts that almost double opponents total yardage. It's just horrid.
Yeah, your two points from the original post are just mindboggling (especially (b)):
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(a) If nothing else changed but penalties and not making massively awful special teams errors, we'd be undefeated, though still with a few close games
(b) All 3 of the games in which we gave away the most yardage and points via stupid self inflected errors were our 3 road games. We have given away an average of 6.3 PPG in penalties and special teams errors on the road this year. We've basically spotted opponents a touchdown at the opening kickoff.
BUT, this is a great silver lining because penalties/ST are the easiest things to clean up. And if this team can do that, I still think they're capable of winning it all this year.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:31 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Players were anxious. It happens.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:35 pm to elposter
They seem to be more anxious the last 2 years. The Saban teams prior to that didn’t have as many occurrences
Posted on 10/20/22 at 1:47 pm to Sl0thstronautEsq
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I find it amusing when Bama fans say things like, "man, if 3 or 4 plays had gone differently, we'd be 4-3" (or whatever).
I think people say that because it’s pretty wild to think that the Gold Standard of College Football is just a small handful of plays away from a 4-3 record.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 2:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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We just give things away. Over and over. Just hand them over.
If we just made the decision to fair catch all kickoffs caught inside the 15 yard line, we could eliminate multiple times we have given up yards needlessly this year. Especially at the beginning of games, when getting off to a good start is important to momentum.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 2:25 pm to SummerOfGeorge
If Gibbs catches that 2nd and 10 pass with 30 seconds left, we win by 7
Posted on 10/20/22 at 3:28 pm to Tupelo
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If we just made the decision to fair catch all kickoffs caught inside the 15 yard line, we could eliminate multiple times we have given up yards needlessly this year. Especially at the beginning of games, when getting off to a good start is important to momentum.
I've been saying this to my friends all season. I don't care where we are just fricking fair catch the ball!!! More often than not, especially on the road, we run it out and get a block in the back or holding and have to start inside our ten
Posted on 10/20/22 at 3:35 pm to cdur86
For every long KO return you probably pick up 2 dozen penalties or get tackled short of the 25. It's really not worth it unless you have someone like Waddle back there, and even he had his junior season ended on a KO return. It's just not a part of the game anymore and we need to give it uo.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 3:47 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Penalties and yards per game for Alabama under Nick Saban.
Source
This post was edited on 10/20/22 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 10/20/22 at 4:50 pm to 1BamaRTR
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They seem to be more anxious the last 2 years. The Saban teams prior to that didn’t have as many occurrences
Not always great, but the last 2 years have been horrid.
2019: 109th in penalties, 113th in yards lost.
2018: 93rd in penalties, 94th in yards lost.
2017: 48th in penalties, 32nd in penalty yards
2016: 90th in penalties, 54th in penalty yards.
2015: 93rd in penalties, 108th in penalty yards
2014: 42nd in penalties, 36th in penalty yards
2013: 38th in penalties, 37th in penalty yards
2012: 11th in penalties, 12th in penalty yards
2011: 3rd in penalties, 2nd in penalty yards
2010: 28th in penalties, 9th in penalty yards
This post was edited on 10/20/22 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 10/20/22 at 4:58 pm to SummerOfGeorge
So, undisciplined and ill prepared.
No shite
No shite
This post was edited on 10/20/22 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 10/21/22 at 8:07 am to SummerOfGeorge
Any thoughts on the reason why penalties are up so much for Bama?
Posted on 10/21/22 at 8:18 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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Any thoughts on the reason why penalties are up so much for Bama?
I feel like once we adopted to the modern offensive system we have been getting a lot more false starts. But I think that is to be expected since huddling is basically non-existant now and we are hiking on a clap it seems. We also seem to be getting a lot more boneheaded personal foul penalties now more than we did in Saban's earlier years. I honestly don't have an answer to that. It starts from the top
Posted on 10/21/22 at 8:36 am to Porter Osborne Jr
I think sometimes they try to do too much. Try to make something spectacular happen, instead of just doing their job like they're trained to, and then going to the next play. Got to return every kickoff to make that big play. Got to get that quick jump off the ball by the DL timing up the snap count. Got to drain the play clock down to the last tick trying to make literally last second adjustments (especially when in the red zone).
Posted on 10/21/22 at 12:31 pm to Tupelo
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think sometimes they try to do too much. Try to make something spectacular happen, instead of just doing their job like they're trained to
I think they're just like most every other player on every other team: they make mistakes, they are human. Problem is, they are expected to be perfect. Every game, every play. Is it fair? I don't know. Only the best are expected to be the best. It's actually a compliment.
Posted on 10/21/22 at 2:00 pm to East Coast Band
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I think they're just like most every other player on every other team: they make mistakes, they are human. Problem is, they are expected to be perfect. Every game, every play.
I would disagree with this. I don't expect perfection, but I DO expect Alabama, under Nick Saban, to regularly field a team that doesn't beat itself.
Three of the last four years, Alabama has been at or near the bottom of national rankings in terms of penalties per game AND penalty yards per game. That is a textbook recipe for creating your own adversity. Once is an anomaly, twice MIGHT be coincidence -- but three out of four is a definite trend.
At worst, I'd expect us to be middle of the pack, or (if you believe some of the goofballs on the Rant, who claim we get ALL the calls), slightly above that. Wallowing near the bottom of the barrel on a consistent basis goes against everything Saban has preached for decades -- not just at Alabama, but since he became a head coach.
I don't understand why it continues to be an issue.
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