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Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:20 pm to UASports23
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:20 pm to UASports23
Now that is fricking funny.
I feared expectations were tooo high for this team. Thinking guys we had never seen play were great.
It is way to early to throw in the towel but the first two games don't raise much confidence.
Some premature observations.
Quinerly is no Kira but he is decent and maybe better than that.
We have tp expect Pettey will score at some point. History says he will/.
Bruner is not a real inside force. Not sure how he will hold up against the bigs in the SEC.
Shack is taking inside way to much.
Herb is Herb. Good defender a non O threat.
Rojas looks like he should play a little more.
Primo is far from ready for prime time.
Ellis is yet to show much.
Reese is Reese. Throws the ball away every other possession and hits occasionally.
Miles looks like he has a nice shot. I really thought he was a throw away signee but maybe not.
Gary, who knows but if he can't find playing time then you have to wonder.
Overall, if we don't start rebounding and quit turning the ball over it will be a long season.
Still very early but disappointing.
I feared expectations were tooo high for this team. Thinking guys we had never seen play were great.
It is way to early to throw in the towel but the first two games don't raise much confidence.
Some premature observations.
Quinerly is no Kira but he is decent and maybe better than that.
We have tp expect Pettey will score at some point. History says he will/.
Bruner is not a real inside force. Not sure how he will hold up against the bigs in the SEC.
Shack is taking inside way to much.
Herb is Herb. Good defender a non O threat.
Rojas looks like he should play a little more.
Primo is far from ready for prime time.
Ellis is yet to show much.
Reese is Reese. Throws the ball away every other possession and hits occasionally.
Miles looks like he has a nice shot. I really thought he was a throw away signee but maybe not.
Gary, who knows but if he can't find playing time then you have to wonder.
Overall, if we don't start rebounding and quit turning the ball over it will be a long season.
Still very early but disappointing.
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Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:22 pm to Teague
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I don't claim to be an x's and o's expert, but why do we insist on running offense through Herb?
Honestly I think it’s because he is Quick enough to penetrate a defense which is huge in our offense. It puts pressure on the defense and gets them out of position which opens up shooters. JQ isn’t quick enough to do that. Unfortunately Herb kinda sucks and is reckless once he penetrates
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:22 pm to TidenUP
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Chad seems to think my comments bring nothing to these threads. You can say I'm not wrong about my observations but this guy thinks I have no idea what I'm talking about.
No, you telling me I have herpes brings nothing to the thread.
If you want to have a conversation about the philosophy and/or execution of said philosophy i'm here for it.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:24 pm to Chadaristic
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No, you telling me I have herpes brings nothing to the thread.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:26 pm to Teague
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I don't claim to be an x's and o's expert, but why do we insist on running offense through Herb?
Without actually knowing, I would assume it's because he is decent at driving to the basket and is the worst catch and shoot guy on the floor.
The problem is Herb doesn't have great vision when driving the basketball, so he just continues driving and misses 6 layups a game.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:28 pm to Chadaristic
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Can I argue that it's new for almost half the team and get away with it?
No?...ok, fine.
I know you are joking and I'm probably gonna be a smart arse here but even that argument wouldn't work. From what I have seen of the "system" last year and these 2 games is pretty much just backyard basketball which everyone in this thread and every player on this team has played since they were 9 years old.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:29 pm to mistaken4193
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Unfortunately Herb kinda sucks and is reckless once he penetrates
When you penetrate and are reckless, you always need to have a Plan B on standby.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:32 pm to ss4bama12
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I know you are joking and I'm probably gonna be a smart arse here but even that argument wouldn't work. From what I have seen of the "system" last year and these 2 games is pretty much just backyard basketball which everyone in this thread and every player on this team has played since they were 9 years old.
When we run it correctly, it doesn't look like that imho. When we run it poorly or run it half arse it definitely looks like that.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:35 pm to mistaken4193
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. @AlabamaMBB head coach Nate Oats: "I didn't think we had great practices after JSU. Play as you practice, tried to warn them in practice, wasn't where it needed to be. No practices before next game, they have to decide how bad they want to win in the next 22 hours."
Poor Leadership...AKA Petty, Herb, Reese
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:39 pm to mistaken4193
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@AlabamaMBB head coach Nate Oats: "I didn't think we had great practices after JSU. Play as you practice, tried to warn them in practice, wasn't where it needed to be. No practices before next game, they have to decide how bad they want to win in the next 22 hours."
Not a fan of that quote to be honest.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:40 pm to Chadaristic
I'm not a basketball guy so this is going to either sound asinine or good but Oats system reminds me of the RPO in football. RPO forces the defense to a point of conflict where they either bring guys to stop the run which opens up the pass or they drop guys to defend the pass which opens up the run. Oats' system drives to the basket with shooters on the perimeter that either forces the defense to crash the basket opening up the 3 or guard the perimeter which opens up the lane for an easy layup. Seems that way anyway.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:46 pm to mistaken4193
Well, I'm not giving up, but that game was disappointing, to say the least. If Stanford blows out UNC, and Bama beats UNLV, and looks better doing it, I'll maybe start regaining some confidence.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:48 pm to Chadaristic
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When we run it correctly, it doesn't look like that imho. When we run it poorly or run it half arse it definitely looks like that.
IMO it is what it is. When we are making shots it looks great. When we aren't it looks awful. Either way it looks like backyard ball. btw Chad, I appreciate everything you bring to the board!! Been reading for years.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 4:53 am to ss4bama12
They did not shoot it well vs JSU and REALLY did not shoot well vs Stanford. Basketball comes down to matchups and Bama does not match up well with Stanford. Teams are going to figure out there's nothing to fear going to the rim against this team and if they do not start rebounding better and playing some semblance of interior D it will be a long year.
This post was edited on 12/1/20 at 4:58 am
Posted on 12/1/20 at 5:52 am to Chadaristic
How do you already have bad practices one game into the season? Not good for the staff or team.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 6:11 am to Bryant91092
Ah....so after going to sleep and waking up this morning I’ve realized last night wasn’t a dream. We really played like shite
Posted on 12/1/20 at 6:42 am to Bryant91092
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How do you already have bad practices one game into the season? Not good for the staff or team.
Seemed like it was a problem last year too. For a team with 4 seniors who all play a lot that's a huge red flag.
This post was edited on 12/1/20 at 6:43 am
Posted on 12/1/20 at 6:54 am to Bryant91092
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How do you already have bad practices one game into the season? Not good for the staff or team.
Because the upperclassmen on this team are not Oats recruits and have shown time and again they will not be the leaders this young team needs. Oats keeps trying to talk them up but they won’t accept the role he needs them to be. Herb tries, but I don’t think he’s the leader type, he’s just the glue guy and he fits that role well.
Petty has shown over and over when he’s not on, he’s not a leader and when he’s on, he begrudgingly accepts that role in half arse fashion. Reese brings nothing to the table, ever. Bruner is the new guy and a role player so it’s hard for him to inherit that leadership position. But I wonder if part of the reason he was recruited is to fill some of the leadership void.
We have no go-to guy yet. When we need a basket, who do we turn to? Should be Petty but he does not want that mantle and passes it up if at all possible. It’s not Reese, not Herb, not Bruner. Q isn’t a great finisher on drives and shoots just decent. Shack is inconsistent. But at least he will try.
At Buffalo, Oats had the luxury of continuity when he took over. He was the assistant under Bobby Hurley and only had to tweak things when he took over. It was basically his system, his players. At Alabama, he started at ground zero and the only players remotely suited to his system were Petty and Kira. Kira is gone and Petty is the same streaky shooter he’s always been who wants no other role on the team. He’s building it, but we’ve got a long way to go. It’s gonna take one, maybe two more classes to get the pieces in place and indoctrinated into what he wants to do. We all thought he could turn this program around overnight but it’s not happening. There are some serious deficiencies in key areas that must be filled before we proceed. The culture hasn’t changed yet. The mere fact that he has had to make the statement about soul searching after game 2 speaks volumes.
This post was edited on 12/1/20 at 6:55 am
Posted on 12/1/20 at 7:04 am to phil4bama
I really thought Primo and Keon would be better ball handlers and be able to drive to the rim better. Shack trust his ball skills to much and constantly throws up ridiculous shots inside the paint.
Posted on 12/1/20 at 7:08 am to phil4bama
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Petty is the same streaky shooter he’s always been who wants no other role on the team.
I'm not sure it's fair to say that about a guy that has consistently been our leading rebounder and second best defender.
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