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Posted on 2/25/21 at 10:16 am to South Alabama Tide
Posted on 2/25/21 at 10:16 am to South Alabama Tide
The biggest problem is a flaw in the offense. When you have a big man that cant shoot the 3, they just dont guard him, and sag down in the paint to help stop the dribble drive. They just dared Reese to shoot, and Bruner, too.
When Reese passed up that wide open 3, and I mean Arky refused to go out on him. Oats had to bench him. But if there is a player on the court that cant shoot, this offense is in trouble. The other problems is when they come out to guard the 3 (and everyone is doing it now) all the players need some point guard skills. They have to be able to dribble drive into the paint and either take it to the rim, or pass. Most of our players cannot cross over dribble. Herb, always goes left and cant dribble right handed. Arky knew what he would do and just jumped his route, and drew the charge. Primo cant go left and he looks like a high school player and usually plays like one. Timid on the drive with the ball. Gary cant shoot a three, and they wont guard him. Herb can shoot a three, but its a set shot and its hard for him to get it off. Shackelford can do some of both (shoot the 3, and dribble drive, and so can Quinerly. Our offense has gone down hill because teams know how to play us, and its not rocket science.
Wimp was on wjox. He said the fouls reminded him of the 80s and a big road game. Wimp said I will guarantee you the league office sent directions to the refs that this was a big game and there will be a lot of physical play and they need to get control of it quickly. Wimp said that happens all the time. But, you have to adjust to how they are calling it. Wimp said it was too much of a difference, but some of it was just fouls, and fouls are caused by defensive mistakes. But, Wimp said the refs dont cheat.
He mentioned that Arky dropped off of Reese and didnt guard him. Said Arky got all the loose balls.
When Reese passed up that wide open 3, and I mean Arky refused to go out on him. Oats had to bench him. But if there is a player on the court that cant shoot, this offense is in trouble. The other problems is when they come out to guard the 3 (and everyone is doing it now) all the players need some point guard skills. They have to be able to dribble drive into the paint and either take it to the rim, or pass. Most of our players cannot cross over dribble. Herb, always goes left and cant dribble right handed. Arky knew what he would do and just jumped his route, and drew the charge. Primo cant go left and he looks like a high school player and usually plays like one. Timid on the drive with the ball. Gary cant shoot a three, and they wont guard him. Herb can shoot a three, but its a set shot and its hard for him to get it off. Shackelford can do some of both (shoot the 3, and dribble drive, and so can Quinerly. Our offense has gone down hill because teams know how to play us, and its not rocket science.
Wimp was on wjox. He said the fouls reminded him of the 80s and a big road game. Wimp said I will guarantee you the league office sent directions to the refs that this was a big game and there will be a lot of physical play and they need to get control of it quickly. Wimp said that happens all the time. But, you have to adjust to how they are calling it. Wimp said it was too much of a difference, but some of it was just fouls, and fouls are caused by defensive mistakes. But, Wimp said the refs dont cheat.
He mentioned that Arky dropped off of Reese and didnt guard him. Said Arky got all the loose balls.
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 10:42 am
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Posted on 2/25/21 at 10:42 am to IB4bama
Yeah I think we wonder why Gary doesn’t get more minutes. He can’t shoot. They aren’t going to guard him. Reese is at least a threat from deep. It does seem though that Oats may be tiring of Reese a little and willing to go with Gary more even though it isn’t his prototypical big.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 10:50 am to Allthatfades
Gary is a much better athlete IMO than Reese. He is much quicker to the ball, faster and can jump. He can make things happen, and would get better if he plays more. But, its going to be a problem in Oats system if he cant make a 3.
Lots of SEC teams would love to have him, though.
Lots of SEC teams would love to have him, though.
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 10:53 am
Posted on 2/25/21 at 11:02 am to IB4bama
Finding bigs who are legitimately good 3pt shooters (35%+) will likely require some creative recruiting strategies, such as targeting Europeans or going the John Beilein route and looking for undersized sophomore guards/wings who have big feet and tall parents so there's almost certainly a late growth spurt coming. It's rare for an American kid who is already 6'10" at 16 to have developed guard skills.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 11:11 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:This is pretty much the case. The injuries probably caused a bunch of it (continuity of lineup is important in that regard).
Not really - they've been basically the same team for a month now. Borderline Top 25 team who has figured one thing out only to forget how to do another.
They aren't collapsing, they just came down from their sugar high of early/mid January and they've played good but not great basketball since.
The one thing that's kept us going in the right direction during this is our defense. If we can continue the same effort that we've been giving during league play, we should be ok.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 11:16 am to coachcrisp
Probably not the best time to post this but....
Herbert Jones Named to Naismith Defensive Player of the Year Semifinalist
Jones one of 10 in the nation named to the list
TUSCALOOSA, Ala. – Alabama forward Herbert Jones is one of 10 players from around the country who have been named to the 2021 Naismith Defensive Player of the Year Semifinalist, the Atlanta Tip Off Club announced on Thursday.
Herbert Jones Named to Naismith Defensive Player of the Year Semifinalist
Jones one of 10 in the nation named to the list
TUSCALOOSA, Ala. – Alabama forward Herbert Jones is one of 10 players from around the country who have been named to the 2021 Naismith Defensive Player of the Year Semifinalist, the Atlanta Tip Off Club announced on Thursday.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 11:21 am to coachcrisp
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The one thing that's kept us going in the right direction during this is our defense. If we can continue the same effort that we've been giving during league play, we should be ok.
The problem is that is starting to crack and one could argue crumble the last 2-3 games.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 11:27 am to SummerOfGeorge
frick
Can only hope that we are hitting a slump/drought now so we can heat back up for March
Can only hope that we are hitting a slump/drought now so we can heat back up for March
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 11:28 am
Posted on 2/25/21 at 11:33 am to South Alabama Tide
Too many good shooters on the roster for that to last too long. I'm more worried about the defense suddenly falling apart. We are looking like a second round exit in the tournament right now. The winner of the bad mid-major conference we play in the first round won't have the length or athleticism to give us trouble on either end, but after that it gets dicey if you don't bring your A game.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 11:42 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:Again, I'm gonna hang a lot of it on a 50% Jones, absent Bruner and Gary. I'm certainly not a sky screaming optimist, but I believe that, baring more injuries, we're gonna see the D very solid again.
The problem is that is starting to crack and one could argue crumble the last 2-3 games.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 11:50 am to Robot Santa
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Too many good shooters on the roster for that to last too long.
The problem is the good shooters aren't getting the shots lately - Reese and Shack are getting most of the open looks. Reese is 25% from the 3-point line this season, and Shack is 32%. Maybe as Bruner gets back into the swing of things, it'll open up more looks for JQ, Petty, Ellis, and Primo, as well as Bruner himself.
At least it seems Reese and Shack are getting most of the open looks.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 12:12 pm to The Spleen
I think that With Bruner being back after almost 2 months,, and Gary bring back, it's gonna take the team a few games to gel again and get the rotation figured back out. I am glad we have two of the lower level SEC teams left to figure it out against. I know @ Miss St won't be easy, but I would rather play them next than Tennessee or someone. Plus the healthier Bruner gets the better his offense and defense will get which will also make us better.
I think we will be hitting our stride again by the time the NCAA Tournament is here, hopefully it can happen before or during the SEC Tournament.
I think we will be hitting our stride again by the time the NCAA Tournament is here, hopefully it can happen before or during the SEC Tournament.
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 12:14 pm to The Spleen
Since February 1st - 3 PT Shooting
Ranked by %
1. Jahvon Quinerly (17/28) (60.7%)
2. Herb Jones (6/10) (60.0%)
3. Keon Ellis (6/12) (50.0%)
4. Josh Primo (8/21) (38.1%)
5. Jordan Bruner (4/11) (36.4%)
6. John Petty Jr (12/37) (32.4%)
7. Alex Reese (6/24) (25.0%)
8. Jaden Shackelford (6/30) (20.0%)
Ranked by Attempts
1. John Petty Jr (12/37) (32.4%)
2. Jaden Shackelford (6/30) (20.0%)
3. Jahvon Quinerly (17/28) (60.7%)
4. Alex Reese (6/24) (25.0%)
5. Josh Primo (8/21) (38.1%)
6. Keon Ellis (6/12) (50.0%)
7. Jordan Bruner (4/11) (36.4%)
8. Herb Jones (6/10) (60.0%)
Our 3 worst shooters this month are shooting 50% of our 3s. Shack and Reese, our 2 worst shooters all year, are taking 33% of our 3s.
Over the last 8 games Petty/Shack/Reese are shooting a combined 28% from 3PT. Shack and Reese only, 25%.
Ranked by %
1. Jahvon Quinerly (17/28) (60.7%)
2. Herb Jones (6/10) (60.0%)
3. Keon Ellis (6/12) (50.0%)
4. Josh Primo (8/21) (38.1%)
5. Jordan Bruner (4/11) (36.4%)
6. John Petty Jr (12/37) (32.4%)
7. Alex Reese (6/24) (25.0%)
8. Jaden Shackelford (6/30) (20.0%)
Ranked by Attempts
1. John Petty Jr (12/37) (32.4%)
2. Jaden Shackelford (6/30) (20.0%)
3. Jahvon Quinerly (17/28) (60.7%)
4. Alex Reese (6/24) (25.0%)
5. Josh Primo (8/21) (38.1%)
6. Keon Ellis (6/12) (50.0%)
7. Jordan Bruner (4/11) (36.4%)
8. Herb Jones (6/10) (60.0%)
Our 3 worst shooters this month are shooting 50% of our 3s. Shack and Reese, our 2 worst shooters all year, are taking 33% of our 3s.
Over the last 8 games Petty/Shack/Reese are shooting a combined 28% from 3PT. Shack and Reese only, 25%.
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 12:19 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Reese is taking way too many, the first 6 minutes he played last night he took 5 threes, missed them all.
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 12:22 pm to CrimsonFever
Last 8 Games - 3PT Attempts per Game
1. Shack - 4.9
2. Reese - 4.6
3. Petty - 4.6
4. Quinerly - 3.8
5. Primo - 3.5
6. Herb - 1.4
I think opposing teams are content with Shack and Reese attempting 10 3PT per game at 20%. Not sure what you do, but you gotta find a way to reallocate those shots to Quinerly and Petty.
The offense isn't going to get back on track until we start hitting a minimal threshold of shots.
1. Shack - 4.9
2. Reese - 4.6
3. Petty - 4.6
4. Quinerly - 3.8
5. Primo - 3.5
6. Herb - 1.4
I think opposing teams are content with Shack and Reese attempting 10 3PT per game at 20%. Not sure what you do, but you gotta find a way to reallocate those shots to Quinerly and Petty.
The offense isn't going to get back on track until we start hitting a minimal threshold of shots.
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 12:25 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Call me a Homer y’all but I’m encouraged after last night. Gary played great and Bruner showed signs.
We got 3 games before the SEC tournament...we will get our mojo back
We got 3 games before the SEC tournament...we will get our mojo back
Posted on 2/25/21 at 12:26 pm to SummerOfGeorge
So my perception wasn't far off.
I'm fine with Petty taking that many because he can get in a a zone where he shoots it really well. I think Shack had one game last year where he was money. I don't recall Reese ever having a great shooting night from 3.
I'm fine with Petty taking that many because he can get in a a zone where he shoots it really well. I think Shack had one game last year where he was money. I don't recall Reese ever having a great shooting night from 3.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 12:26 pm to mistaken4193
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Call me a Homer y’all but I’m encouraged after last night. Gary played great and Bruner showed signs.
We got 3 games before the SEC tournament...we will get our mojo back
I'm certainly not in the dumps - Arkansas has been playing like a Top 10 team for going on a month now. You lose road games to really good teams, sometimes. The flow of the game sucked and I didn't love some of the stuff I saw from our guys, but it's 1 game that got away from us the last 10 minutes.
Now, if we don't play well and lose in Starkville - alarm bells are going to start going off.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 12:28 pm to The Spleen
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I'm fine with Petty taking that many because he can get in a a zone where he shoots it really well. I think Shack had one game last year where he was money. I don't recall Reese ever having a great shooting night from 3.
Yea - Petty has to keep getting shots. I don't really care what his last 5/10/15 games look like.
I know our system and how it works, and I know that means theoretically guys like Shack and Reese need to shoot open looks, but after 2 months of bad shooting you gotta figure something out.
Shack is 11/47 in our last 10 games - 23.4%.
Reese is 11/43 in our last 10 games - 25.6%.
Combined - 22/90 in our last 10 games - 24.4%
This post was edited on 2/25/21 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 2/25/21 at 12:30 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I'm certainly not in the dumps - Arkansas has been playing like a Top 10 team for going on a month now. You lose road games to really good teams, sometimes. The flow of the game sucked and I didn't love some of the stuff I saw from our guys, but it's 1 game that got away from us the last 10 minutes.
Now, if we don't play well and lose in Starkville - alarm bells are going to start going off.
Another thing is we are not as good as we played in early January. Truth is we are a 6 or 7 seed that played over our head during the tough part of our schedule and have now ended up a 2 or 3 seed
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