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Posted on 2/18/21 at 2:50 pm to
Posted by mistaken4193
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Posted on 2/18/21 at 2:50 pm to
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I very much doubt that


Stud compared to this year. He isn’t a great player but he does what is asked of him. We aren’t asking him to be Anthony Davis and carry us to a National Title
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 2/18/21 at 2:51 pm to
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We really need to play a game mainly so we will all stop melting down.


I'll take a meltdown if it helps Herb get healthy.

If your getting antsy, remember our last game. 115 used to be the high end of what you'd see for NBA scores.
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 2:53 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 2/18/21 at 2:53 pm to
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Stud compared to this year. He isn’t a great player but he does what is asked of him. We aren’t asking him to be Anthony Davis and carry us to a National Title



Yea, I get why he plays and don't have an issue with it. Oats has pretty honestly talked about how he brings some stuff to the table that we don't get elsewhere. I think his issue will be if we other guys develop that same sort of ability plus efficiency abilities. Gary and KAH definitely have the ability to do that next season.

This will definitely be a big offseason for Rojas in terms of finding ways to be more efficient.
Posted by Bear88
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Posted on 2/18/21 at 2:59 pm to
Yea I have been fan of of Gary’s
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 2/18/21 at 3:12 pm to
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SEC Box Plus/Minus Ratings vs Top 100 (min 20% mins played) (121 total players)
1. Jordan Bruner (+13.4)
4. Herbert Jones (+8.2)
6. John Petty Jr (+7.9)
9. Alex Reese (+7.2)
16. Keon Ellis (+5.9)
40. Jaden Shackelford (+4.2)
45. Joshua Primo (+3.8)
63. Jahvon Quinerly (+2.5)
113. James Rojas (-3.1)


Damn, this couldn't be more telling. Though there are a couple surprises.

At first glance, Primo is lower than I'd expect. But until Georgia, he'd basically disappeared for several games. But he started to become a major focus for other team's defense. He played more of a bench role against Georgia, and hopefully builds off of it. He's young, even by freshmen standards. So slumps are to be expected.

Quin and Shack are about where I expected. Shack is great at getting by his defender. He just needs to think ahead before getting into the lane. Know you outs, be aware of who's switching for a double team, and having an exit if they clog the lane. Because his shot selection can become absurd.

Quin has definite talen and I see the flashes that made him av5 star. But seems to play much better off the ball. He's much better off playing the 2 rather then trying to create his own shots.


And damn, I miss Brunner.
Posted by DLev45
Member since Aug 2018
732 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 3:36 pm to
quote:

quote:
SEC Box Plus/Minus Ratings vs Top 100 (min 20% mins played) (121 total players)
1. Jordan Bruner (+13.4)
4. Herbert Jones (+8.2)
6. John Petty Jr (+7.9)
9. Alex Reese (+7.2)
16. Keon Ellis (+5.9)
40. Jaden Shackelford (+4.2)
45. Joshua Primo (+3.8)
63. Jahvon Quinerly (+2.5)
113. James Rojas (-3.1)


Damn, this couldn't be more telling. Though there are a couple surprises.

At first glance, Primo is lower than I'd expect. But until Georgia, he'd basically disappeared for several games. But he started to become a major focus for other team's defense. He played more of a bench role against Georgia, and hopefully builds off of it. He's young, even by freshmen standards. So slumps are to be expected.

Quin and Shack are about where I expected. Shack is great at getting by his defender. He just needs to think ahead before getting into the lane. Know you outs, be aware of who's switching for a double team, and having an exit if they clog the lane. Because his shot selection can become absurd.

Quin has definite talen and I see the flashes that made him av5 star. But seems to play much better off the ball. He's much better off playing the 2 rather then trying to create his own shots.


And damn, I miss Brunner.



Yep, my post from Pg. 717. I still don't think people realize how valuable Bruner was to our team. Herb is our SEC POTY and All-American candidate, and rightfully so. And there is no more dangerous player in the country than John Petty when he is hot.

But all the advanced metrics point to Bruner being our most "valuable" player.

I don't think we lose to either Missouri or Oklahoma without him. He was worth 5 points (@OU) and 3 points (@MIZ), easily.

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The advanced metrics literally point to Bruner as being our most important player.

Season Player Efficiency Rating:
1. Bruner - 24.6
2. Herb - 21.5
3. Gary - 18.8
4. Petty - 17.9
5. Shack - 16.9

SEC Play Player Efficiency Rating:
1. Bruner - 27.0
2. Herb - 24.1
3. Petty - 20.4
4. Gary - 20.4
5. Ellis - 18.7

Season Win Shares per 40 minutes:
1. Bruner - .237
2. Herb - .191
3. Petty - .177
4. Ellis - .170
5. Shack - .161

SEC Play Win Shares per 40 minutes:
1. Bruner - .255
2. Herb - .221
3. Petty - .204
4. Ellis .199
5. Gary - .170
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 3:38 pm
Posted by Alabama_Fan
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Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 2/18/21 at 3:51 pm to
On Saturday, it will be a battle between the first and last place teams in the SEC standings

How to Watch Vanderbilt Commodores at No. 8 Alabama Crimson Tide Basketball

Vanderbilt at No. 8 Alabama

Where: Coleman Coliseum

When: 12:00 p.m, CT, Saturday

TV: SEC Network

Radio: Crimson Tide Sports Network

Online: ESPN.com

Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 2/18/21 at 3:52 pm to
Honestly I think the fact that we have continued winning without Bruner should be a much bigger deal than it is, but because you have to look at more advanced metrics to make the argument for how valuable he is there hasn't been a ton of media discussion about it the way there would be if Baylor lost Butler or Michigan lost Livers.
Posted by Alabama_Fan
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Member since Sep 2020
16384 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 4:22 pm to
FYI - Bama women up 20-17 at the end of Q1 in Gainesville
Posted by A-TOWNUAFAN
Alabama
Member since May 2013
5359 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 4:25 pm to
Had the makeup for A&M been announced?
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 4:27 pm
Posted by CrimsonFever
Gump Hard or Go Home
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 2/18/21 at 4:25 pm to
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Cecil Hurt
@CecilHurt
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Sounds like UA has plans connected with Nate Oats on the way before long.



Posted by CrimsonFever
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 2/18/21 at 4:26 pm to
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Jon Rothstein
@JonRothstein
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Alabama's Nate Oats has received a contract extension through the 2026-27 season, per release.

Annual salary will increase to $3.225 million.





Makes him the 17th highest paid college coach according to this list.

USA Today


Buyout is over 10 million.
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 4:49 pm
Posted by A-TOWNUAFAN
Alabama
Member since May 2013
5359 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 4:26 pm to
Nate Oats agreed to an extension through 2027

LINK
Posted by Blackfield
Member since Jan 2010
477 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 4:28 pm to
What was he making before this announcement to 3.2?
Posted by UncleTommy
Member since Nov 2020
383 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 4:28 pm to
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Makes him the 17th highest paid college coach according to this list.

Kinda wish we had made it top 10
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Member since Jul 2012
18099 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 4:29 pm to
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What was he making before this announcement to 3.2?



2.45 million a year
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
15053 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 4:33 pm to
Glad he got it. Well deserved . Now take care of facilities
Posted by saban n bear
Member since Aug 2013
2987 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 4:34 pm to
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Kinda wish we had made it top 10


Hands in our f*cking pockets holding our d*cks. Ridiculous. Oats needs to be in the Top 10. Hes gone now when a better offer comes, and it will.
Posted by Bryant91092
Member since Dec 2009
25587 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 4:35 pm to
Fingers crossed this turns out a ton better than our other extensions of coaches after their 2nd year. I think we are all confident it will for a multitude of reasons: He’s actually committed to a style of play, he runs that style of play extremely well as evidenced by all of our metrics, he recruits to fit that style of play, and barring a collapse, we will win the SEC which we haven’t done in 96 years.

Glad to have Oats here for the long term
Posted by Bryant91092
Member since Dec 2009
25587 posts
Posted on 2/18/21 at 4:43 pm to
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Oats’ buyout based on his previous contract would now be above $10 million over the next two years. We have put buyout measures in place that show the long-term commitment between both parties,” Byrne said in the UA release.
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