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re: Zeus coming back
Posted on 1/15/21 at 7:41 am to DawgsLife
Posted on 1/15/21 at 7:41 am to DawgsLife
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He cam here knowing he would work his way up. He would probably be in the Swift role this coming year. A lot of playing time, but not featured, then his junior year be the man. Surely he realizes that, and if not....
Swift made a lot of hay getting work in 2nd halves .
If I'm Milton, I would be fine with that approach (swift had almost 800 yards in that role).
Howevwr, I think Milton gets worked in earlier. Alternating series with White. Zeus will be more of a red zone option. But I see them splitting series in the first half.
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 8:58 am to DawgsLife
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He cam here knowing he would work his way up. He would probably be in the Swift role this coming year. A lot of playing time, but not featured, then his junior year be the man. Surely he realizes that, and if not....
In all likelihood, he was sold that he'd be the feature back as a sophomore because Kirby had to have assumed that he'd lose at least one, if not both, of Zeus and Cook. Pretty safe assumption at the time.
I hope y'all are right being I think Milton is, far and away, the most talented RB on this team. But if he's only getting 5-8 carries a game as a soph after expecting 10-15, that could very easily spell trouble depending on his and his family's mindset and goals.
I also have some concerns that Kirby is gonna Kirby and give the more senior players more time than they may deserve. If we want to win, we need our best players on the field a vast majority of the time, not this RB by committee garbage when 1-2 backs are head and shoulders better than the others. See Bama and Clemson....Najee and Etienne don't get their carries reduced because coach is trying to balance egos.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 10:43 am to mmmmmbeeer
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all likelihood, he was sold that he'd be the feature back as a sophomore because Kirby had to have assumed that he'd lose at least one, if not both, of Zeus and Cook. Pretty safe assumption at the time.
I don’t think this was likely because it was not a safe assumption at the time at all.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 10:49 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Najee and Etienne don't get their carries reduced because coach is trying to balance egos.
Bama Carries in 2018:
150
120
117
63
Guess which one is najee?
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:00 am to djsdawg
117 or 120
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:17 am to djsdawg
Najee was not a tFr either
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:43 am to djsdawg
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Bama Carries in 2018:
150
120
117
63
Guess which one is najee?
117 because he was behind freaking Josh Jacobs as a soph (who only had 120 att himself)...you know, the guy who rushed for 1100+ yards his rookie NFL season.
Surely you're not comparing Zeus or Cook to freaking Josh Jacobs?
Posted on 1/15/21 at 5:35 pm to mmmmmbeeer
Sure seems like saban was “balancing egos”, as you put it, in 2017 and 2018.
I do think Zeus is far better than the scrub you think he is, and the Milton’s aren’t inpatient pussies like you think they are.
I do think Zeus is far better than the scrub you think he is, and the Milton’s aren’t inpatient pussies like you think they are.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 8:00 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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But if he's only getting 5-8 carries a game as a soph after expecting 10-15, that could very easily spell trouble depending on his and his family's mindset and goals.
We will know by the end of spring, I would think. If he stays for the year, then he would definitely know that he would be the featured back the next year. If he leaves he will have to do it by the end of spring.
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I also have some concerns that Kirby is gonna Kirby and give the more senior players more time than they may deserve. If we want to win, we need our best players on the field a vast majority of the time, not this RB by committee garbage when 1-2 backs are head and shoulders better than the others. See Bama and Clemson....Najee and Etienne don't get their carries reduced because coach is trying to balance egos.
Out of curiosity, when did Kirby play less talented players because of seniority? You need to realize that stars in recruiting is a guesstimation, but even talent rarely trumps experience. If you truly want to win, you do not keep throwing the highly rated less experienced players out there in place of talented players that were rated lower.
You want to see an exodus in the RB room? Give all the carries to one or two RBs. If we had done that last year, we would be looking at Milton and McIntosh walking out the door this off season. While both talented they would not have beaten Zamir or Cook out.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 8:05 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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117 because he was behind freaking Josh Jacobs as a soph (who only had 120 att himself)...you know, the guy who rushed for 1100+ yards his rookie NFL season.
So Josh Jacobs got his carries cut by Najee?
Kind of puts a hole in your theory, doesn't it?
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Surely you're not comparing Zeus or Cook to freaking Josh Jacobs?
You do remember that Zamir was the #1 ranked RB in the country coming out of high school, right?
Milton wasn't.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 7:11 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Najee and Etienne don't get their carries reduced because coach is trying to balance egos.
Najee Harris was Bamas 3rd string RB as a Sophmore, he averaged 7.8 carries per game.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 8:41 am to Dawgfanman
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Najee and Etienne don't get their carries reduced because coach is trying to balance egos.
Najee Harris was Bamas 3rd string RB as a Sophmore, he averaged 7.8 carries per game.
Another factor is that RB's take a beating and generally don't last long in the NFL. So you might easily argue that a college RB with less carries but with a excellent yards per carry might be the best buy for an NFL team. So if I was a star RB, I would try to get one of the outstanding teams like Bama or Georgia and get enough carries to showcase my skills without blowing out a knee are general wear and tear with nagging injuries.
Translation: I think some top running backs might perceive running back by committee as a net positive.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:04 pm to DawgsLife
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You do remember that Zamir was the #1 ranked RB in the country coming out of high school, right?
Milton wasn't.
You can watch the number of stars, I'll watch what I see on the field. Milton is a damn stud. Zeus, likely due to injury, has not come close to living up to his prep billing.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:10 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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You can watch the number of stars, I'll watch what I see on the field. Milton is a damn stud. Zeus, likely due to injury, has not come close to living up to his prep billing.
Zeus has all the speed and power you could ever want, but I don't think his vision is all that great.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:20 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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You can watch the number of stars, I'll watch what I see on the field.
And do you remember what you were saying about Cook at the beginning of the year?
Hell, if it was up to you he wouldn't have seen another snap after Arkansas and I can guarantee to you he'll be playing on Sundays.
Lets go ahead and let Kirby and his staff determine who gets PT and who puts us in the best posistion to win games.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 1:45 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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You can watch the number of stars, I'll watch what I see on the field. Milton is a damn stud. Zeus, likely due to injury, has not come close to living up to his prep billing.
Not watching stars although they typically are pretty good indicators.....AS A WHOLE.
However, if you can't see that Zamir is the real deal, then I don't want you setting the starting lineups.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 2:37 pm to DawgsLife
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However, if you can't see that Zamir is the real deal, then I don't want you setting the starting lineups.
Pretty much this.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 4:35 pm to djsdawg
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Pretty much this.
Right off the top of my head I can't thin of a RB that runs with as much conviction and violence as Zamir in college football.
He kind of reminds me of Larry Csonka.
If any younguns are not familiar with Csonka look for a YouTube video of him.
As far as I know he is the only RB to ever get called for unnecessary roughness while he was running with the football.
Csonka
Part 2
ETA
Start this one at the 5 minute mark and they talk about his penalty and show the hit.
Csonka
Don't mean to derail the thread with Csonka, but this is basically what we have in Zamir White. No other RB in college punishes the defense like our guy does.
(I guess you can see that I am a huge fan of battering the opposition into submission, however I am resigned to and excited about our new wide open offense, too)
This post was edited on 1/16/21 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 1/16/21 at 5:23 pm to DawgsLife
Zamir highlights from 2020. How anybody can keep saying he has no vision after watching this is beyond me.
2020 Zamir. He will only be better next year.
2020 Zamir. He will only be better next year.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 9:15 pm to RD Dawg
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And do you remember what you were saying about Cook at the beginning of the year
Cook became relevant later in the season because they started throwing to him. He still isn't a good rusher, imo.
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