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Posted on 6/26/20 at 7:59 am to GurleyGirl
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Yep, those inconvenient facts.
And yea, never mind Fast & Furious LINK and Benghazi Gate: LINK
You folks are going to be embarrassed as hell by the last 10 years.
"Grandma/Grandpa, who actually believed that crap? Did you know anybody like that?"
Grandma/Grandpa: "It was a crazy time. (Changes the subject) "
It's going to be a reverse Woodstock: everyone claiming they had no part.
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 10:52 am
Posted on 6/26/20 at 8:29 am to RD Dawg
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Good lord,just stop with the whataboutism
Not a whataboutism sorry facts get in the way of your narrative and at least the Iran Deal actually would have had a postive outcome unlike the SA deal which all it did was give SA weapons to commit a genocide in Yemen
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Do you wanna talk about BHO's blatent interference in the Israeli elections
Not a "far left position"
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How bout openly backing the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and sending and sending an extordinary amount amount of arms with our latest technology?
He didn't support the "Muslim brotherhood", supported regime change in Egypt which is a pretty standard policy for your establishment US president
Again you have failed to show any far left positions or any bit of evidence that the establishment is far left.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 9:59 am to dawgfan24348
Heavily edited? The project veritas vids are not "heavily edited". It has people in candid conversations in full context. The accusations of them "heavily editing" video has been debunked.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:42 am to dawgfan24348
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Not a whataboutism sorry facts get in the way of your narrative
It's a complete deflection from a disasterous foreign policy decision.
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Iran Deal actually would have had a postive outcome
Do what? Why in the world did Iran request funds in Swiss Francs and other hard currency?
Who do you think was the recipient of these funds? It made us the biggest defacto funder of proxy wars and terrorism in the world.
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was give SA weapons to commit a genocide in Yemen
Grow up.Iran has their filthy tentacles all over Yemem along with almost a dozen countries.BTW,who exactly launched all those missles at KSA and took out refineries?
In case you forgot
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He didn't support the "Muslim brotherhood
Did you read the link? Of course he did and he also poured military equipment into Egypt after they came into power.
Do you think any poitician is "far left?" How bout Omar and Tlaib? Do you realize they're two of the biggest supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood in Congress? How bout ex congress men Keith Ellison? Is he "far left?"
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Again you have failed to show any far left positions
I've repeatedly given you examples and you've chosen to be willfully ignorant.
Neither president Clinton or a president Biden would NEVER had made the Iran deal or openly supported the Muslim brotherhood so yes,both positions are "far left"
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:54 am to RD Dawg
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It's a complete deflection from a disasterous foreign policy decision.
No it isn't, it's me pointing out Obama's foriegn policy was not all that different from other presidents. Supporting regime change, doing deals with countries like Iran and SA, fighting proxy wars, this is all pretty common of the establishment regardless of party. The "far left" do not support regime change wars, selling weapons to countries like SA, and fighting proxy wars.
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who exactly launched all those missles at KSA and took out refineries?
In case you
I'm sorry how is Iran and SA fighting our problem? How does that justify a weapons deal to SA? You're just regurgitating establishment talking points.
Also talking about deflecting nice job on ignoring how SA is committing a genocide against the citizens of Yemen with US weapons
LINK
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Of course he did and he also poured military equipment into Egypt after they came into power.
If you read the rest of point it's obvious you're being disingenuous. He supports regime change in Egypt which is no different from Bush or Trump supporting regime change in other countries
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you realize they're two of the biggest supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood in Congress?
They are not in way a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood stop fear mongering
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openly supported the Muslim brotherhood so yes,both positions are "far left"
Supporting regime change isn't far left and neither is the Iran Deal.
Also Hillary supported the Iran Deal that Obama an establishment president created
LINK
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Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:19 am to meansonny
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It is far left of what we had before because it wrecked the system.
Pull your head out of your arse. Our healthcare system was a completely broken joke long before Obamacare ever came into being. Did you actually see the so-called Republican healthcare plan that John McCain saved us from? That is extreme. There is basically nothing extreme about Obamacare unless you're a selfish idiot who doesn't give a shite about this country or your fellow American, and only care about yourself. Perhaps you want to take a look at how we're faring in this pandemic compared to much of the rest of the developed world.
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 11:20 am
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:37 am to HTDawg
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Pull your head out of your arse. Our healthcare system was a completely broken joke long before Obamacare ever came into being. Did you actually see the so-called Republican healthcare plan that John McCain saved us from? That is extreme. There is basically nothing extreme about Obamacare unless you're a selfish idiot who doesn't give a shite about this country or your fellow American, and only care about yourself.
Perhaps you want to take a look at how we're faring in this pandemic compared to much of the rest of the developed world.
Question for you sir...do you get employer based health coverage or do you go through the individual market(aka the Obamacare exchange or your state exchange)? Let us know.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:02 pm to frogtown
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do you go through the individual market(aka the Obamacare exchange or your state exchange
None of that is anywhere close to an actual UHC
There's a reason why everyone else has some form of UHC.
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Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:06 pm to HTDawg
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There is basically nothing extreme about Obamacare unless you're a selfish idiot who doesn't give a shite about this country or your fellow American, and only care about yourself.
You make a very informative and compelling argument. Lol
Name 2 problems that Obamacare has solved. I will wait.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:09 pm to dawgfan24348
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None of that is anywhere close to an actual UHC
There's a reason why everyone else has some form of UHC.
Stay in your lane.
I am not talking about UHC. HTDawg is singing the praises of Obamacare. I am going to prove otherwise.
UHC would be a different type of clusterfrick all together.
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:15 pm to frogtown
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HTDawg is singing the praises of Obamacare.
No he said there's nothing extreme about it. Massive difference
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:25 pm to dawgfan24348
No it isn't, it's me pointing out Obama's foriegn policy was not all that different from other presidents.[/quote]
Openly siding with the Muslim Brotherhood isn't "different" from other presidents? Covertly funneling hundreds of millions in hard currency to the biggest sponser of state terrorism isn't
"different?" Laughable
quote:Really? Bernie Sanders didn't support the Arab Spring "uprisings?" You sure about that? LINK
The "far left" do not support regime change wars,
Sanders didn't support the overthrow of Gaddifi? You wanna double down on that? LINK
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sorry how is Iran and SA fighting our problem? How does that justify a weapons deal to SA? You're just regurgitating establishment talking points.
Completely missed my point I was giving you ONE example of their unhinged behavior all over the world the that BHO helped fund.
BTW,why did Iran launch those mississ?
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Also talking about deflecting nice job on ignoring how SA is committing a genocide against the citizens of Yemen with US weapons
Because Iran is just an innocent bystander, correct? Stop with the "genocide" bullshite.Yeman is an ally of KSA along with a host of other gulf states and the Iranians are openly fomenting and funding the overthrow of the govt.
BTW I thought you said the fighting between the 2 countries "wasn't our problem" but the proxy wars in Yemen is? Weird
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They are not in way a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood stop fear mongering
Huh? You really want to go with this?
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Hillary supported the Iran Deal that Obama an establishment president
WGAS? Her husband never makes that deal as POTUS
BTW,let's get back to the hard currency question regarding the
funds funneled to Iran. Why Swiss Francs and other hard currency? Got an answer?
Why the secrecy with congress?
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:26 pm to dawgfan24348
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No he said there's nothing extreme about it. Massive difference
OK...I will prove to HT Dawg how extreme Obamacare is.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:41 pm to RD Dawg
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Openly siding with the Muslim Brotherhood isn't "different" from other presidents?
Obama being for regime change isn't any different. Yes the Brotherhood was in control but that wasnt the reason for his support. You need to stop being disengoeous, all you're doing is pedaling right wing propaganda at this point.
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Really? Bernie Sanders didn't support the Arab Spring "uprisings?" You sure about that?
Support does not equal interference which is what Obama, Trump, and Bush have done
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Sanders didn't support the overthrow of Gaddifi? You wanna double down on that?
Read your own link and not just tell headlines
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Congress never voted to authorize U.S. military action in Libya,
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The Senate approved the resolution by unanimous consent, so senators never actually voted on it. But Sanders showed his support by joining in as one of 10 cosponsors.
The resolution called for peaceful regime change, saying Gaddafi should "desist from further violence, recognize the Libyan people’s demand for democratic change, resign his position and permit a peaceful transition to democracy."
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Because Iran is just an innocent bystander, correct?
Never said they were
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Stop with the "genocide" bullshite.
It's not bullshite it's a documented fact, stop trying to protect Saudi Arabia
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was giving you ONE example of their unhinged behavior all over the world the that BHO helped fund.
And all them are establishment positions
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fighting between the 2 countries "wasn't our problem" but the proxy wars in Yemen is? Weird
I'm sorry I missed the part where I said it was our problem. Show me where I called for US interference
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You really want to go with this?
Do you really want to go there? All that nonsense is just hard right propaganda
Posted on 6/26/20 at 2:32 pm to dawgfan24348
"Grandma, how was Trump even elected? I don't know anyone who voted for him."
Grandma: "I dunno anyone either. It was a crazy time. (Changes the subject)"
"Grandpa, why was the US one of the worst countries in the world responding to the virus? We had 5x the average death rate! Why didn't people do anything? I heard a lot of people were just making excuses the whole time."
"Yeah. It was a crazy time. (Changes the subject)"
Grandma: "I dunno anyone either. It was a crazy time. (Changes the subject)"
"Grandpa, why was the US one of the worst countries in the world responding to the virus? We had 5x the average death rate! Why didn't people do anything? I heard a lot of people were just making excuses the whole time."
"Yeah. It was a crazy time. (Changes the subject)"
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 6/26/20 at 2:50 pm to frogtown
I'm not signing the praises of anything you moron. I simply said it's not extreme. Extreme is what the Republicans tried to pull off. Suggesting that Obamacare destroyed an already broken arse healthcare system where people often die because they can't afford or get coverage is a riot. We're the only developed country where that happens. We're the only developed nation where people go bankrupts over a hospital bill.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 3:09 pm to HTDawg
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We're the only developed nation where people go bankrupts over a hospital bill.
This, this right here is what's extreme. 66% of our bankruptcies are due to medical expenses
LINK
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A new study from academic researchers found that 66.5 percent of all bankruptcies were tied to medical issues —either because of high costs for care or time out of work. An estimated 530,000 families turn to bankruptcy each year because of medical issues and bills, the research found.
While in England the number is 5% and that was from a study done back in 2002
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Posted on 6/26/20 at 3:54 pm to dawgfan24348
That's a completely dishonest presentation of a very shitty survey. It wasn't a study, it was a survey, let's be clear.
When you ask people why they failed financially, there will almost always be some kind of health excuse. "Well we got over-leveraged in consumer debt, then we got divorced and that threw everything into a tailspin, dependency and depression kicked in, problems at work led to me being let go, but I also have some medical bills so yea let's say I went bk from medical bills".
Fun fact- medical bills in the US can't destroy your credit and they can't seek liens on your property. The only time you can go bk from medical bills is if the collector actually sues you (they never do, it's not in the business model) and a judge hears the case and determines that you indeed have plenty of money but are too much of an a-hole to pay, then the judge will find against you, then the plaintiff files for liens, THEN you file for bk.
Eta this is why hc is so expensive here, half of people don't pay, so everyone else's price is double.
When you ask people why they failed financially, there will almost always be some kind of health excuse. "Well we got over-leveraged in consumer debt, then we got divorced and that threw everything into a tailspin, dependency and depression kicked in, problems at work led to me being let go, but I also have some medical bills so yea let's say I went bk from medical bills".
Fun fact- medical bills in the US can't destroy your credit and they can't seek liens on your property. The only time you can go bk from medical bills is if the collector actually sues you (they never do, it's not in the business model) and a judge hears the case and determines that you indeed have plenty of money but are too much of an a-hole to pay, then the judge will find against you, then the plaintiff files for liens, THEN you file for bk.
Eta this is why hc is so expensive here, half of people don't pay, so everyone else's price is double.
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 6/26/20 at 4:03 pm to deeprig9
Reminds me of back in the subprime mortgage business.
We would do refi's for people who were only a few years out of BK when traditional mortgages required you to be 7 years out.
One of the conditions was a BK discharge letter as well as a general BK letter explaining the BK, this is for underwriting.
Every single one was "Everything was fine until momma come down with that Zika virus and started popping out encephalitis babies left and right, ran up 300k worth of medical bills and just couldn't fight it anymore" when in fact, looking further back into their credit file, they were dirt shite credit years before the BK, and you see the medical totals were never even pursued by the creditors, and never even paid by the BK, but completely written off by court order, and in fact came in after the BK was filed, in many cases.
Don't be so gullible. Yes I know that bad things happen to good people and no system is perfect, but don't believe that 66% of BK's are medical. It's horse shite.
We would do refi's for people who were only a few years out of BK when traditional mortgages required you to be 7 years out.
One of the conditions was a BK discharge letter as well as a general BK letter explaining the BK, this is for underwriting.
Every single one was "Everything was fine until momma come down with that Zika virus and started popping out encephalitis babies left and right, ran up 300k worth of medical bills and just couldn't fight it anymore" when in fact, looking further back into their credit file, they were dirt shite credit years before the BK, and you see the medical totals were never even pursued by the creditors, and never even paid by the BK, but completely written off by court order, and in fact came in after the BK was filed, in many cases.
Don't be so gullible. Yes I know that bad things happen to good people and no system is perfect, but don't believe that 66% of BK's are medical. It's horse shite.
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