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re: "Scathing" article on OL play
Posted on 9/3/13 at 3:25 pm to davesdawgs
Posted on 9/3/13 at 3:25 pm to davesdawgs
Not like we haven't signed any recently.4 or 5 star.
No doubt in my mind Sturdivant woulda been one of our
best ever and a 1st rd pick.Benedict was HIGHLY recruited by everybody as was Theus.
No doubt in my mind Sturdivant woulda been one of our
best ever and a 1st rd pick.Benedict was HIGHLY recruited by everybody as was Theus.
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Posted on 9/3/13 at 3:30 pm to davesdawgs
Precisely the real-a-dawg point. It shouldn't take twelve years to learn how to recruit strategically. If you have the same problem year after year, it is time to change something. Someone asked if the staff places too much emphasis on the glamour positions. I wonder. In the pros the trend seems to be spend all your money on a line and have serviceable running backs. Bama seems to have a similar philosophy, at least with respect to QB's.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 3:51 pm to runningdog
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It shouldn't take twelve years to learn how to recruit strategically. If you have the same problem year after year, it is time to change something.
And there it is, we have a winner
Posted on 9/3/13 at 4:19 pm to davesdawgs
Where was all this pissing and moaning about the O-line
BEFORE the season? Didn't see or hear complaints about
em after the Bama or Neb game.
Anyone?
BEFORE the season? Didn't see or hear complaints about
em after the Bama or Neb game.
Anyone?
This post was edited on 9/3/13 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 9/3/13 at 4:38 pm to runningdog
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serviceable running backs. Bama seems to have a similar philosophy, at least with respect to QB's.
HUH? Did you see the running backs Bama got last year? And they are going for another 5* this year?
OOOooooOOOOH! You are kidding! Right? PLEASE tell me you are kidding.
Loaded. Stacked. An embarrassment of riches. Label it however you'd like, but there really is no denying the University of Alabama football program currently is the epitome of the "one percent" when it comes to running backs.
From Glen Coffee, Mark Ingram, Trent Richardson, Eddie Lacy, T.J. Yeldon, Jalston Fowler, Dee Hart and Kenyan Drake, the names and athleticism go on and on, and a strong case can be made Alabama is the new Running Back U under the stewardship of Nick Saban.
If you think that's impressive, consider the running backs Alabama currently has committed for its 2013-14 classes. UA has three backs verbally pledged for its 2013 class in Altee Tenpenny (Little Rock Ark.), Tyren Jones (Marietta, Ga.) and Derrick Henry (Yulee, Fla.), and one for 2014 in Bo Scarbrough (Northridge).
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Posted on 9/3/13 at 4:39 pm to RD Dawg
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Where was all this pissing and moaning about the O-line
BEFORE the season? Didn't see or hear complaints about
em after the Bama or Neb game.
Anyone?
Excellent point. And it IS the same group. They have some kinks that need ot be worked out, but they will be fine. And, so will the defense. I think by the LSU game we will see some major strides made defensively. (I hope so, anyway!)
Posted on 9/3/13 at 4:40 pm to Dawgs9
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It shouldn't take twelve years to learn how to recruit strategically. If you have the same problem year after year, it is time to change something.
And there it is, we have a winner
Right! Simple! All you gotta do is know who you want and they will come to you!
Posted on 9/3/13 at 4:47 pm to DawgsLife
Please read the sentence as it relates to Bama. Bama has a history of serviceable QB's.
I have resisted returning snotty, snide comments to your Disneydawg on steroid replies. Please give me the same courtesy.
I have resisted returning snotty, snide comments to your Disneydawg on steroid replies. Please give me the same courtesy.
This post was edited on 9/3/13 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 9/3/13 at 5:01 pm to DawgsLife
Yes, I actually do think it is simple. Are you really making the argument that recruiting on the o and d line has been a priority or strength for this staff?
Are we going to make excuses? XXX school pays players. YYY school is coached by a YYY alum. ZZZ is mad because coach #### didn't hold his dick at age 14 or didn't swallow at age 17 when asked.
Man the F'up, Richt. Go to the the AD and demand 15 unpaid assistants. Swallow your pride, over sign, then the cut and slice. For christ's sake the school spends a ton of money on other stupid crap -- demand an indoor practice field. Sign two or three QBs and have an actual competition for the position.
You couldn't pay me enough to be an assistant on the recruiting trail. I worked too long and too hard to be my own boss. I wouldn't take shite off of some punk just so he would sign. BUT, if you ARE going to take the king's shilling, you better be able to play the game.
Are we going to make excuses? XXX school pays players. YYY school is coached by a YYY alum. ZZZ is mad because coach #### didn't hold his dick at age 14 or didn't swallow at age 17 when asked.
Man the F'up, Richt. Go to the the AD and demand 15 unpaid assistants. Swallow your pride, over sign, then the cut and slice. For christ's sake the school spends a ton of money on other stupid crap -- demand an indoor practice field. Sign two or three QBs and have an actual competition for the position.
You couldn't pay me enough to be an assistant on the recruiting trail. I worked too long and too hard to be my own boss. I wouldn't take shite off of some punk just so he would sign. BUT, if you ARE going to take the king's shilling, you better be able to play the game.
This post was edited on 9/3/13 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 9/3/13 at 5:05 pm to Kimsey
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It didn't take BVG a few years to get going
There's a reason for that that no one really likes to talk about. The SEC was average at best during his time at UGA (second best SEC team in our 2002 title season was a 10-3 Alabama team on probation). He left for a few years, came back into the current SEC with Auburn, and his defense there blew nuts.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 5:23 pm to Kimsey
I agree with the article. Our recruiting in general has disappointed, but particularly on the OL.
Want to know where our stud Georgia-bred OL are? They're at other schools. Vadal Alexander will be a 4 year starter at OT at LSU (if he doesn't leave early to the NFL), David Beasley is a starting guard at Clemson, Max Garcia is a starting guard at UF, Cameron Erving is a starting tackle at FSU, Tre Jackson is a starting guard at FSU, Ja'Wuan James is a starting tackle at UT, Austin Shepherd is a starting tackle at Bama, Evan Swindall is a starting center at Ole Miss.
That's not to say we haven't signed some guys from GA who are quality, but we've too often chased guys like Avery Young and Laremy Tunsil only to be left hanging, all the while players like the above have left our backyard and gone on to start at other local schools. Not just fill the depth chart, but start. And that doesn't even go back to some of the monumental misses like James Carpenter and Chance Warmack who both went to Bama and were drafted in the 1st round in recent years.
I understand that evaluating OL is difficult, but it's also our coaches job. I also understand recruiting is difficult, but that's also our coaches job.
I think most here would probably rather have Austin Shepherd, Vadal Alexander, Ja'Wuan James, or Cameron Erving starting at tackle over Gates. That's 4 OT's from in-state that we let get away, that are all better than the one we got.
The fact that we can't sign everybody is why it's so important that we make sure the folks we do sign are the right guys.
Want to know where our stud Georgia-bred OL are? They're at other schools. Vadal Alexander will be a 4 year starter at OT at LSU (if he doesn't leave early to the NFL), David Beasley is a starting guard at Clemson, Max Garcia is a starting guard at UF, Cameron Erving is a starting tackle at FSU, Tre Jackson is a starting guard at FSU, Ja'Wuan James is a starting tackle at UT, Austin Shepherd is a starting tackle at Bama, Evan Swindall is a starting center at Ole Miss.
That's not to say we haven't signed some guys from GA who are quality, but we've too often chased guys like Avery Young and Laremy Tunsil only to be left hanging, all the while players like the above have left our backyard and gone on to start at other local schools. Not just fill the depth chart, but start. And that doesn't even go back to some of the monumental misses like James Carpenter and Chance Warmack who both went to Bama and were drafted in the 1st round in recent years.
I understand that evaluating OL is difficult, but it's also our coaches job. I also understand recruiting is difficult, but that's also our coaches job.
I think most here would probably rather have Austin Shepherd, Vadal Alexander, Ja'Wuan James, or Cameron Erving starting at tackle over Gates. That's 4 OT's from in-state that we let get away, that are all better than the one we got.
The fact that we can't sign everybody is why it's so important that we make sure the folks we do sign are the right guys.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 6:43 pm to reservoir_dawg
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Want to know where our stud Georgia-bred OL are? They're at other schools. Vadal Alexander will be a 4 year starter at OT at LSU (if he doesn't leave early to the NFL), David Beasley is a starting guard at Clemson, Max Garcia is a starting guard at UF, Cameron Erving is a starting tackle at FSU, Tre Jackson is a starting guard at FSU, Ja'Wuan James is a starting tackle at UT, Austin Shepherd is a starting tackle at Bama, Evan Swindall is a starting center at Ole Miss.
That's not to say we haven't signed some guys from GA who are quality, but we've too often chased guys like Avery Young and Laremy Tunsil only to be left hanging, all the while players like the above have left our backyard and gone on to start at other local schools. Not just fill the depth chart, but start. And that doesn't even go back to some of the monumental misses like James Carpenter and Chance Warmack who both went to Bama and were drafted in the 1st round in recent years.
Good informative post. Clearly the misses have piled and so too have the excuses. Mostly what we hear about is how UGA has as much talent as anyone and underachieves but the truth is we've had an ongoing talent gap in the trenches for the most part. I understand we have had some bad luck with highly recruited OL like Sturdivant but that's why it's referred to as quality depth, you have to recruit well enough to allow for all kinds of attrition.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 7:06 pm to Kimsey
Our O line has sucked since Charlie Williams Lodge shut down. there ain't no where in Athens to properly feed an offensive lineman anymore.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 9:03 pm to Kimsey
If we lined up in the "I" 85% of the time, and ran downhill at Clemson with that 265lb freak fullback leading the way we would've battered them.
Instead 70% of our run plays were finesse, shotgun, slow developing plays and our guys couldn't hold the edge against Clemson's undersized speed. We played right into their only defensive strength. I still can't believe that was our gameplan.
Instead 70% of our run plays were finesse, shotgun, slow developing plays and our guys couldn't hold the edge against Clemson's undersized speed. We played right into their only defensive strength. I still can't believe that was our gameplan.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 9:31 pm to DawgsLife
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Doesn'rt happen. or I have never heard of it happening.
Certainly rare. Joe Bugel of Skins Hogs fame was one.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 9:48 pm to WhopperDawg
Please, people were complaining about them last year as well after the Scar and UF games respectively. When ever they played an above average DL they looked out claseed. They clearly took advantage of the schedule just like Keith Marshall did (I like him as a player).
Some people took their decent overall play last year and expected near elite levels this year were fooling themselves. I'm kicking myself for OD'ing on the koolaid too. I'm no doom and gloommer and willing to let the perceived depth on both lines play out but teams with good DLs in Scar, LSU, and UF are awaiting.
Some people took their decent overall play last year and expected near elite levels this year were fooling themselves. I'm kicking myself for OD'ing on the koolaid too. I'm no doom and gloommer and willing to let the perceived depth on both lines play out but teams with good DLs in Scar, LSU, and UF are awaiting.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 10:34 pm to Kimsey
Good article. Can't deny it. For experienced as our line is they looked very confused with those blitz.
Posted on 9/4/13 at 7:00 am to RD Dawg
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Not like we haven't signed any recently.4 or 5 star.
No doubt in my mind Sturdivant woulda been one of our
best ever and a 1st rd pick.Benedict was HIGHLY recruited by everybody as was Theus.
Well now, our "5 star" Theus really isn't all that great, is he? Oh, but as you say he is a 5 star...well, then why isn't he the starter? Or, more importantly since Gates is woefully out of position at LT and our super duper Theus has been trained at LT, then why not put him there? After all, he is one of those 5 stars you talk about... What it comes down to is that stars, more often than not, really do not make that much of a difference, do they?
Posted on 9/4/13 at 9:13 am to Kimsey
Preach Emerson, preach
Posted on 9/4/13 at 10:56 am to samson'sseed
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This is a stupid article and a stupid post.
Georgia scored 35 points. That should have been enough to win the game.
They have the best offensive line in the SEC. They sagged during the middle of the game due to crowd noise.
You can not name a team in the SEC that has a better OL than Georgia. Did you see how bad Bama's OL performed against Virginia Tech?
Just an all around horrible post. Go run some stairs, rookie.
Other than the fact that UGA scored 35 points, every single other thing in this post is absolutely WRONG. We returned every OL from a top 5 unit last year and played like a Pop Warner team. There is NO excuse for that, and it is not the defenses fault. They aren't close to the best in the SEC, they wouldn't even be the best in the Southern Conference.
35 points was NEVER going to be enough to win that game. Did you expect a D full of freshmen to hold one of the best offenses in college to single digits or something? You are an imbecile if so, we needed at least 40 to be sure we'd win, but I am starting to think Bobo incorrectly thought the same as you...and you see how that worked out. They didn't "sag" in the middle of the game, they "fell completely apart" in the middle of the 2nd Q and never recovered.
If they went in there with a game plan that didn't expect to score 50 points, then they should all have been fired on the spot.
The offense had to carry us in this game, they had to put the team on their back. Instead the OL and Murray completely shite the bed and we still only lost by 3. Just think if they had just been half-decent, we win by a TD or more.
And I don't give a good goddamn about Bama's lines performance, they've shown over the last few years they will get better. We haven't. If you don't think there is a better OL in the SEC you didn't watch any games, right now I'd say we have the absolute worst OL in the league.
This post was edited on 9/4/13 at 10:57 am
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