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Posted on 9/5/13 at 1:21 pm to DawgsLife
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I would make one caveat, though. Typically the teams that finish high in recruiting rankings do an excellent job of developing talent, too. So. While your argument is valid that ranking might have a huge influence..which is greater? Ranking or development?
Valid and honestly I think part of our problem has been development at some positions but that's not figured into the recruiting ratings. I have seen some data on realized contribution of recruits and that data is not good either. We seem to have a lot of high profile recruits who don't pan out for a variety of reasons.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 1:27 pm to runningdog
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Coaching can only do so much. I think getting rid of the athletic dorms was a horrible idea. I am a believer in oversigning. I believe as an athlete you should have to prove yourself every year. I also believe the players should get a stipend. I think the discipline of the players is a little over the top. Run stadium steps, etc., but don't punish the team for stupid college kid behavior. I do agree there is no place for thug behavior. I don't understand the "weed" culture - my lungs were too important.
This is one of the most snickerworthy things I've ever read from a Georgia "fan".
UGA, I can assure you, will NEVER allow oversigning. That simply will not be something that ever comes into play, nor should it. And if it means 9 - 10 win seasons and never winning another NC or SECC, then thems the breaks.
Let the Alabamas, Mississippis, and other 13th through 16th grade universities play tickle a** with that game a few more years and wait for what happens anyway.
There are plenty of folks following the numbers, stories, faces, etc., and it will bite the dog. Sooner than anyone thinks.
This post was edited on 9/5/13 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 9/5/13 at 1:55 pm to Sanford&MunSon
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Well the way we've been doing things seems to be working for us.
I am thinking that was sarcasm?
but if you think about it, we have won the last two SEC East Titles. With Florida, SouCar and Tennessee in our division, that is actually pretty impressive. I realize Tennessee is going through a down time, but we are doing ok. A small break here and there and we would have been hoisting a shiny new crystal ball last year. And seriously....it wouldn't have taken much. We were THAT close! And that was being a bit short handed. I know Richt went through a bit of a bumpy time 3-4 years ago, but I think he has truly turned it around and we are heading in the right direction. Just my opinion, though.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 1:56 pm to smelvis
I have UGA graduate degree, so don't imply I am a sidewalk fan.
Nothing against the rules in oversigning. Holding out 4 or 5 schollys for national signing day without a backup plan is just plain stupid. It leaves the program short, year after year. Just as not oversigning in response to the continuing "failure to qualify" problem is stupid. What do you want? A few extra three stars or a bunch of summer walk ons.
It is not as if many of the players could get into UGA regular admission. So don't act like we aren't taking special enrollees.
I respect your position. In fact, I originally held similar views. But, as long as the NCAA is unwilling to severely punish what I believe to be blatant cheaters, OSU, UNC, AU, Miami, JF, I think the university should push, but not exceed, the limits. I have absolutely no faith in the NCAA.
Anything else?
Nothing against the rules in oversigning. Holding out 4 or 5 schollys for national signing day without a backup plan is just plain stupid. It leaves the program short, year after year. Just as not oversigning in response to the continuing "failure to qualify" problem is stupid. What do you want? A few extra three stars or a bunch of summer walk ons.
It is not as if many of the players could get into UGA regular admission. So don't act like we aren't taking special enrollees.
I respect your position. In fact, I originally held similar views. But, as long as the NCAA is unwilling to severely punish what I believe to be blatant cheaters, OSU, UNC, AU, Miami, JF, I think the university should push, but not exceed, the limits. I have absolutely no faith in the NCAA.
Anything else?
Posted on 9/5/13 at 1:58 pm to davesdawgs
I think a large part of it was development. I think Garner got a little complacent..and maybe a little aggravated when he was not promoted. I think we are slowly but surely working our way through a lot of the problems we have had in the past. It DOES take time, though. I REALLY think we will contend for a NATTY (And possibly win it) in 2-3 years. BUT, I do have a tendency to see the glass half full.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 2:06 pm to runningdog
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Just as not oversigning in response to the continuing "failure to qualify"
I understand your frustration and your points. But, I don't think we have aBIG problem with nonqualifiers anymore, do we? I mean, everybody will have 1-2 every year. Some schools more than that. But I think this is an area Richt has really tightened up in. He used to sgin players without a lot of regard to character and intelligence. (Remeber Ealey, King, Crowell, Mettenberger etc)
I think Richt realized the problems those type players caused, and got rid of them. It will take aus a little while to recover from some of those decisions, but we are already seeing dividends. Gurley and Marshall are good examples. BOTH high character guys. Another class or two and we should be in good shape. We already have commitments from Chubb and Michel. Put them with what we have and our running back situation will be as good as Bamas. If we can tighten up a bit along the OL, we should be ready. And, last class we got a couple OL, and commitments from a couple more in this coming class that all look promising. Give them time. things are turning around..but it does take a little time.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 2:12 pm to runningdog
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I have UGA graduate degree
Touch. You.
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so don't imply I am a sidewalk fan.
There was never said implication in any of my post. Calm down Francis.
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Nothing against the rules in oversigning.
Not technically. Yet. But do you really, honestly believe the practice is something that should be supported by the athletic department of a university competing nationally for research funding? "Better win that schollie this year boy, or go home?" That's the attitude you want?
For real....
Did you have to win your assistantship each year?
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Holding out 4 or 5 schollys for national signing day without a backup plan is just plain stupid. It leaves the program short, year after year. Just as not oversigning in response to the continuing "failure to qualify" problem is stupid. What do you want? A few extra three stars or a bunch of summer walk ons.
I want UGA to recruit the best players for each position, and do so with the best interests of the school and the individual in mind. If that means UGA honors the scholarships of "busts", so be it. UGA's coaches should have done a better job of evaluating his talent. If UGA come up short, tough.
Out recruit the other guys, do what you can to get the job done.
But don't stop to the level of oversigning.
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It is not as if many of the players could get into UGA regular admission. So don't act like we aren't taking special enrollees
I never said UGA was. But if the guys gets by admissions, he shouldn't have to compete for his spot every year. If you want to endow an athetic scholarship with that caveat, have at it.
I'll wait and see when one pops up.
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But, as long as the NCAA is unwilling to severely punish what I believe to be blatant cheaters, OSU, UNC, AU, Miami, JF, I think the university should push, but not exceed, the limits. I have absolutely no faith in the NCAA.
Good for you.
I can assure you that your feelings are not shared within the AD. Nor within the university.
And as stated before, if that means 9 wins every year until the CFB bubble pops, that's the way she'll roll.
This post was edited on 9/5/13 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:13 pm to smelvis
As an adult every year I ran, I had to post qual times. This is the price I paid for sponsorship. Proving myself didn't scare me.
I am not a fan of 4 year, no cut rides. The truth is, I would not survive long as a head coach. I realize what happens in my sport would never be tolerated in the coddled world of big time Div 1 football. Do I support pulling a scholly because a kid is not as good as I thought. No. Do I support pulling the scholly of a f'up who can't obey the rules or who doesn't put forth effort. Absolutely, all day, every day.
I also support giving the kids a stipend. These kids are a valuable commodity. We all know football largely pays for the non-revenue sports at big universities. we also know the kids get room and board and a free education in return for wearing the "G". Anyone who thinks a kid playing ball has time for a part time job is deluded. The athlete in me doesn't think it is fair for the school or the NCAA to profit from the use of the kids' likenesses.
How pray tell do you know what the AD's office thinks? Seriously, if you have an "in" please share. I would love to know what the AD really thinks.
As for the rest we will have to agree to disagree. I make no bones that I support taking any measures which are necessary to compete on a level playing field as long as the rules are not violated. This includes firing staff and running off f'ups.
I am not a fan of 4 year, no cut rides. The truth is, I would not survive long as a head coach. I realize what happens in my sport would never be tolerated in the coddled world of big time Div 1 football. Do I support pulling a scholly because a kid is not as good as I thought. No. Do I support pulling the scholly of a f'up who can't obey the rules or who doesn't put forth effort. Absolutely, all day, every day.
I also support giving the kids a stipend. These kids are a valuable commodity. We all know football largely pays for the non-revenue sports at big universities. we also know the kids get room and board and a free education in return for wearing the "G". Anyone who thinks a kid playing ball has time for a part time job is deluded. The athlete in me doesn't think it is fair for the school or the NCAA to profit from the use of the kids' likenesses.
How pray tell do you know what the AD's office thinks? Seriously, if you have an "in" please share. I would love to know what the AD really thinks.
As for the rest we will have to agree to disagree. I make no bones that I support taking any measures which are necessary to compete on a level playing field as long as the rules are not violated. This includes firing staff and running off f'ups.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:50 pm to Sanford&MunSon
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Maybe the problem with the o-line is the coaching. Just a thought.
At least insofar as Richt is committed to not oversigning, sure it is. His stance, however principled, places the team at a competitive disadvantage. There are other issues, too, but that's kind of a big one - and totally self-inflicted by the coaching staff.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:54 pm to FaCubeItches
I was actually referring to the position coach. Do you think Will Friend is good enough?
Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:57 pm to DawgsLife
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I understand what you are saying. but if you over sign and then you get everybody, you then turn to a kid that committed to you and say, "Sorry kid. You don't have a scholarship like we promised."
Now, tell me. If you are a kid and you saw a team that did that, would you commit to them, knowing they might pull your scholy after all the other teams have filled out their rosters and reached THEIR scholarship limits?
Like it or not, college football is a business, and a big one at that. If I was a kid committing to a school that I knew oversigned, I'd be taking a good long look at where I thought I'd fit. If I'm really one of the top recruits at my position, I wouldn't be worried. If I was a 2/3 star guy trying to get in to a top program, I might re-evaluate and go with another school where I'd be more certain of making the cut.
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I know what you are going to say..."But Bama does it!' True. And when we have won as many Nattys as Bama has, we might can get away with it. But we haven't.
It's not that "Bama does it," it's that Bama's got a clear focus on their end goal: (the quality of their team and its production on the field). It's nice to the kids that Georgia doesn't, but that's not what the coaches are paid for - we allow a side goal of being nice to overshadow the main goal of fielding the best and most successful team possible.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:57 pm to Sanford&MunSon
That's whats so infuriating about this team. At the end of the season last year I think we were all pleased with CWF and the progress the line made since the USCe game.
Then, they show up on Sat and look like they regressed. How do you go that far backwards from the UGA/AL game last year?
We'll know if it was a just a bad night or the truuf this weekend...that's for sure.
Then, they show up on Sat and look like they regressed. How do you go that far backwards from the UGA/AL game last year?
We'll know if it was a just a bad night or the truuf this weekend...that's for sure.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:59 pm to smelvis
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But don't stop to the level of oversigning
It's not "stooping." It's smart. It promotes competition, but more importantly, it also accounts for attrition which is 100% inevitable. If you know for an absolute fact you are going to lose bodies, why would you choose not to prepare yourself? That's the problem with Richt; he's reactive in nature instead of proactive. And a communist.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 4:02 pm to SquatchDawg
True. This saturday will be the litmus test for a lot of folks.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 4:13 pm to DawgsLife
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A small break here and there and we would have been hoisting a shiny new crystal ball last year.
The problem with that argument is that it cuts both ways: a small break here or there and we lose to Tennessee, Florida, and Kentucky, so no SEC East Title, or anything else.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 4:20 pm to Sanford&MunSon
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Do you think Will Friend is good enough?
Based on the on-field production so far? It doesn't look like it. We seem weak at line on a continuing basis. I would qualify that by saying that is hard to tell how good a job he's actually doing within the team, though. Even though the line is often weak, he may have them playing way above their level (i.e., they're marginal players, and with a different coach, they'd *really* suck).
Posted on 9/5/13 at 4:22 pm to FaCubeItches
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a small break here or there.
Exactly. It's not like we won the division outright and honestly I get tired of the "almost" talk from people. You either win or you lose.
This post was edited on 9/5/13 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 9/5/13 at 4:41 pm to runningdog
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How pray tell do you know what the AD's office thinks? Seriously, if you have an "in" please share. I would love to know what the AD really thinks.
Linky linky. Here's the stinky.
ETA: Oversigning.com on McGarity - UGA won't be stooping any time soon.
It isn't just Richt that wants to do the right thing.
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I am not a fan of 4 year, no cut rides. The truth is, I would not survive long as a head coach. I realize what happens in my sport would never be tolerated in the coddled world of big time Div 1 football. Do I support pulling a scholly because a kid is not as good as I thought. No. Do I support pulling the scholly of a f'up who can't obey the rules or who doesn't put forth effort. Absolutely, all day, every day.
You haven't answered the question here. Do you, or don't you, support oversigning in the same manner in which SEC West schools use the tactic? Real oversigning....as in gray shirting, cut your a**, tough crap boy oversigning?
This isn't about cutting players who screw up (see Crowell, Ogletree, etc. etc. etc.).
This post was edited on 9/5/13 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 9/5/13 at 5:06 pm to smelvis
Not reading all that, but the line sucks and the hurt of butt will be much more painful after USCe. Sorry, but it is true. They can go full pads all week and it wont change the fact that they are slow at the tackles, they get called for holding and their man still makes the tackle, and Bobo only calls runs up the A gap. Murray will be lying on is arse more than Uga saturday.
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