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re: "Scathing" article on OL play
Posted on 9/5/13 at 5:27 pm to AmericusDawg
Posted on 9/5/13 at 5:27 pm to AmericusDawg
Dawgs gonna have to line up with their best pass blocking TEs
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Posted on 9/5/13 at 5:39 pm to smelvis
I answered your question. I support oversigning to address attrition, non-qualifiers, problem players and lack of effort. My view on oversigning is similar to the States's with regard to the Hope scholarship. You may get it based on high school performance, but you keep it based on college performance. Why should football players be different?
Posted on 9/5/13 at 7:59 pm to AmericusDawg
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Not reading all that, but the line sucks and the hurt of butt will be much more painful after USCe. Sorry, but it is true. They can go full pads all week and it wont change the fact that they are slow at the tackles, they get called for holding and their man still makes the tackle, and Bobo only calls runs up the A gap. Murray will be lying on is arse more than Uga saturday.
Well clearly you didn't read it.
Nothing was ever discussed about Saturday. But I agree. South Carolina's going in dry.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 8:14 pm to runningdog
Somewhere between Bama style over-signing and UGA style 70 scholarship players (lower than major violation USC while in the teeth of their probation) lies a happy middle ground. Bet you those extra 15 players would've provided the 5 yards we needed to hoist the crystal football last year.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 8:29 pm to WorkinDawg
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Somewhere between Bama style over-signing and UGA style 70 scholarship players (lower than major violation USC while in the teeth of their probation) lies a happy middle ground. Bet you those extra 15 players would've provided the 5 yards we needed to hoist the crystal football last year.
Exactly. Think about if just one of those 15 players could have made a difference in that game.....
Posted on 9/5/13 at 9:48 pm to WorkinDawg
I agree with a twist. I believe the scholly ought to be earned every year. I think kids should be able to transfer without sitting out a year -- but there should be no contact with other programs during the Fall semester.
My dad played college football, and he told me he felt owned by the school.
My dad played college football, and he told me he felt owned by the school.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 6:37 am to FaCubeItches
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At least insofar as Richt is committed to not oversigning, sure it is. His stance, however principled, places the team at a competitive disadvantage. There are other issues, too, but that's kind of a big one - and totally self-inflicted by the coaching staff.
Just curious....and I really don't know the answer to this. How many schools DO over sign? Does anybody know? is it mainly Alabama? or do all the other schools over sign?
Posted on 9/6/13 at 6:41 am to Sanford&MunSon
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Exactly. It's not like we won the division outright and honestly I get tired of the "almost" talk from people. You either win or you lose.
Other than Alabama, there are a LOT of other schools in the same position as us. I realize LSU has won a National Championship more recently than us...but they have more "almost" times than we do, and you don't see them melting down like we do after every loss. They have a calm confidence. We run around like our hair is on fire.
Add to that that LSU won their Natty on the heels of Saban leaving. I mean, whether they want to admit it or not, they won it with Saban's work. They have come close since then, but so have we. You don't see them screaming for their Head Coach, Offensive Co, or Def. Co, heads like you do here.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 6:46 am to AmericusDawg
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Not reading all that, but the line sucks and the hurt of butt will be much more painful after USCe. Sorry, but it is true.
Actually, you are only guessing, nothing more. They didn't look good against Clemson, but that is one game...the first one at that. A few adjustments and we may have last years OLine back. And, while not great, it would be good enough for what we need. We might very well lose to SouCar, but they have shown they fail every year, too.
If you ever played football, did you quit after the first quarter because things didn't go as planned? Because that is what I saw from our fan base this past week. Everyone laying down and quitting. Quite frankly....this past week was embarrassing.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 6:48 am to runningdog
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I answered your question. I support oversigning to address attrition, non-qualifiers, problem players and lack of effort.
Ok. Now answer this. How many a year? How many players will get into trouble next off season? how many will not qualify, because I don't remember any that did not qualify from our last class. And finally, how many will not put out the effort?
Posted on 9/6/13 at 6:54 am to davesdawgs
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Key word. Should we try our best to get a full roster? yes. but the majority of the problem was Richt cleaning the roster of troublemakers....and I support this. How many were kicked off the team? 6? Something like that. Now that they are recruiting character people, this problem should ease up dramatically. Look, all I am saying is, don't sacrifice integrity and ethics on a knee jerk reaction, when the problem is resolving itself. As you grow older you begin to understand the importance of integrity and ethics.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 6:57 am to runningdog
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My dad played college football, and he told me he felt owned by the school.
And how is it different than working? Did he get a free education? How much is an education worth?
And you know what? Playing in the NFL is more like being owned than playing in college. You can leave the college any time you want and either not play or go somewhere else.
In the NFL you can't. Bet he would have played in the NFL if he'd been given the chance. Bad analogy.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 8:12 am to DawgsLife
I disagree.
The "man" controls players in both situations. At least colleges they did when he went to school and when I went to school.
Not to be disrespectful, but you have no idea what my father would or would not have done.
For my father the education certainly wasn't free. He said he was told what classes he could take, that he could not major in chemistry because of the labs, etc. This was in the 50's. I have no idea about the present state of college athletics. Ultimately, my father quit football so he could concentrate on his grades. He pumped gas and worked at a GM factory so he could go to college.
Playing any sport in college is a privilege few have. It changes the dynamic of the collegiate experience. Either you accept this and realize that it is in fact a job or you move on.
As I have said, I believe the players should be given a stipend, and I believe the players should be able to transfer without penalty. But, like any job I believe players should be subject to scholly termination for failure to perform or follow the rules. My father didn't like the restrictions, so he found another way to go to school.
Candidly, I am not a program insider. I have no idea what really happens in the locker room. Having said that I do admire Saban's approach. You don't see PUBLIC prima donnas at Bama. I don't know what he does to discourage this type of behavior or what he does to instill on field discipline, but if I was Richt I would certainly find out.
I do not have all the answers. I believe there are a few fundamental flaws in Richt's coaching philosophy. These flaws are why I favor a regime change.
The "man" controls players in both situations. At least colleges they did when he went to school and when I went to school.
Not to be disrespectful, but you have no idea what my father would or would not have done.
For my father the education certainly wasn't free. He said he was told what classes he could take, that he could not major in chemistry because of the labs, etc. This was in the 50's. I have no idea about the present state of college athletics. Ultimately, my father quit football so he could concentrate on his grades. He pumped gas and worked at a GM factory so he could go to college.
Playing any sport in college is a privilege few have. It changes the dynamic of the collegiate experience. Either you accept this and realize that it is in fact a job or you move on.
As I have said, I believe the players should be given a stipend, and I believe the players should be able to transfer without penalty. But, like any job I believe players should be subject to scholly termination for failure to perform or follow the rules. My father didn't like the restrictions, so he found another way to go to school.
Candidly, I am not a program insider. I have no idea what really happens in the locker room. Having said that I do admire Saban's approach. You don't see PUBLIC prima donnas at Bama. I don't know what he does to discourage this type of behavior or what he does to instill on field discipline, but if I was Richt I would certainly find out.
I do not have all the answers. I believe there are a few fundamental flaws in Richt's coaching philosophy. These flaws are why I favor a regime change.
This post was edited on 9/6/13 at 8:15 am
Posted on 9/6/13 at 9:31 am to runningdog
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The "man" controls players in both situations. At least colleges they did when he went to school and when I went to school
Fair enough. There is certainly an element of plantationism in college athletics.
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Candidly, I am not a program insider. I have no idea what really happens in the locker room. Having said that I do admire Saban's approach. You don't see PUBLIC prima donnas at Bama. I don't know what he does to discourage this type of behavior or what he does to instill on field discipline, but if I was Richt I would certainly find out.
This is where your argument contradicts itself. Saban runs the largest plantation of them all, and he's the roughest overseer on the place. If you want a full on Saban-esque program, that's your perogative, and it's one that a lot of people probably agree with. I highly doubt you'll ever see that in Athens though, because I don't believe UGA would allow that to happen.
That type of "program management" tends to contradict the overall mission of the university, particularly given UGA's visions of AAU accreditation and top 50 national university status.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 9:34 am to DawgsLife
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Just curious....and I really don't know the answer to this. How many schools DO over sign? Does anybody know? is it mainly Alabama? or do all the other schools over sign?
Here's a link to a site that'll get you up to speed on oversigning.
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This site is dedicated to the investigation of the practice of oversigning college football players. Throughout the course of this journey we will touch on a number of surround topics, all of which pertain to recruiting, but our hope is to maintain our focus on the practice of oversigning. After having numerous long conversations on college football message boards on the topic of oversigning, we had several people suggest that we create a blog on the topic of oversigning. Of all the topics we have ever talked about on message boards, this topic always seemed to be the most fascinating.
This post was edited on 9/6/13 at 9:37 am
Posted on 9/6/13 at 11:33 am to DawgsLife
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You don't see them screaming for their Head Coach, Offensive Co, or Def. Co, heads like you do here.
They won two in a decade so they are probably less desperate than most UGA fans. I was barely out of Huggies in 1980 and I hope kind of like a BoSox fan prior to '04 that I live to see at least one Natty in my life that I can really understand and savor.
I think I do remember some grumbling about the Mad Hatter a few years ago down in the Bayou....2009 or so. But you are right they don't have a massive meltdown like we do.
This post was edited on 9/6/13 at 11:38 am
Posted on 9/6/13 at 12:28 pm to smelvis
You may be right. I think all college athletics have an element of plantation mentality. My solution is to give the kids a stipend and to allow immediate transfers. The power to immediately transfer would go a long way to correcting this problem.
The issue is what do you do with the current system. To compete, I believe you need to over sign.
The issue is what do you do with the current system. To compete, I believe you need to over sign.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 4:05 pm to runningdog
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Not to be disrespectful, but you have no idea what my father would or would not have done.
no offense. but, are you saying he would NOT have played in the NFL if given the chance? I can only take your word for it, but I would think that is the dream of everybody that ever played football on any level.
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Ultimately, my father quit football so he could concentrate on his grades. He pumped gas and worked at a GM factory so he could go to college
I have nothing but admiration for your father. Good for him, and I mean it!
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Playing any sport in college is a privilege few have. It changes the dynamic of the collegiate experience. Either you accept this and realize that it is in fact a job or you move on.
Agreed!
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I do not have all the answers.
NONE of us have all the answers. But I notice you DO have an opinion...just like all of us do! You fit in fine around here!
Posted on 9/6/13 at 4:08 pm to smelvis
Bookmarked it! thanks! I will read up on it when I have a bit more time. Things have changed drastically since I played. It boggles the mind all of the rules changes, etc.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 4:11 pm to DaveyDownerDawg
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They won two in a decade so they are probably less desperate than most UGA fans.
Funny thing about it...I think a LOT of the meltdown around here is caused because some of the crap the SECr throws in our direction. Personally..I could care less what any other program thinks of ours. I'm proud of the way Georgia runs their program. I am older, so I appreciate hard work, integrity and ethics. The older you get, the more you want those things...and the harder it is to come by them.
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