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Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:21 am to dawgfan24348
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don't read opinion pieces
Have you ever turned on a television?
Posted on 5/21/20 at 9:32 am to dawgfan24348
I largely stay out of this thread because no one is changing anyone else’s mind at this point, and as I said over near the beginning of this thread, both sides are going to claim victory no matter the results...
That being said, at least be intellectually honest with your arguments. Don’t say the burden of proof is on someone who has been providing links to almost everything, then say the proof provided is an opinion piece...that was actually the point of his argument.
Opinions are being published as facts. Both sides are doing it, but the minions of one side are being a lot more dishonest in their stated motives.
Something that should never have been politicized, has been. The motives are pretty clear for both sides of the aisle. Anyone who can’t see that this is not now, nor has it ever been about covid 19 is a blind fool.
Those who sacrifice freedom for safety deserve neither.
That being said, at least be intellectually honest with your arguments. Don’t say the burden of proof is on someone who has been providing links to almost everything, then say the proof provided is an opinion piece...that was actually the point of his argument.
Opinions are being published as facts. Both sides are doing it, but the minions of one side are being a lot more dishonest in their stated motives.
Something that should never have been politicized, has been. The motives are pretty clear for both sides of the aisle. Anyone who can’t see that this is not now, nor has it ever been about covid 19 is a blind fool.
Those who sacrifice freedom for safety deserve neither.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 10:16 am to DawgHolliday
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I largely stay out of this thread
This is a wise decision.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 11:00 am to DawgHolliday
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least be intellectually honest with your arguments. Don’t say the burden of proof is on someone who has been providing links to almost everything, then say the proof provided is an opinion piece...that was actually the point of his argument.
I have not been dishonest once, DP posted a picture with no links and got mad when someone said they haven't seen any of those claims and got then got angry at me for asking for proof.
And yes there is difference between opinion pieces and actual articles that are backed with evidence. His post was just sweeping generalizations in some right wing virtue signaling stunt. I could find some crazy right wingers making asinine claims and act like it represents the entire right
Posted on 5/21/20 at 11:04 am to dawgfan24348
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articles that are backed with evidence
How can an article saying that we will die in 3 weeks have evidence of the next 3 weeks.
That is entirely his point. When the evidence ensues, the opinions were wrong.
I'm not sure if you understand how a newspaper works.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 11:11 am to dawgfan24348
You completely ignored the fact that I said opinions are being published as fact on both sides of the aisle and that something that should never have been politicized has been. It’s also pretty clear that you are a part of the “show me proof. No...I mean proof that I agree with”, crowd. The argument was whether or not there are left-wing journalists publishing opinion-based hit pieces as fact. You were shown examples of that very thing...and dismissed the proof as opinion pieces. That’s it. I’m off the soapbox and out of the thread again. I’ll be interested to see how your perceptions of the world change when you are 40 and a working class family man.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 11:12 am to meansonny
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not sure if you understand how a newspaper works.
I'm not sure you understand what I am saying. I said I don't read opinion pieces not every article is an opinion piece. The junk he linked me is exactly why I don't read them. I never called him a liar just said the burden of proof was on him not anyone else.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 11:14 am to DawgHolliday
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You were shown examples of that very thing...and dismissed the proof as opinion pieces.
I never dismissed it as proof all I said was I don't read opinion pieces that doesn't mean I think he was lying.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 11:52 am to DawgHolliday
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I largely stay out of this thread because no one is changing anyone else’s mind at this point, and as I said over near the beginning of this thread, both sides are going to claim victory no matter the results...
Except one side is essentially the Branch Davidians. They think everyone else in the modern world is crazy or part of some vast conspiracy to . . . I'm not even sure at this point.
Non-partisan information can't be trusted. Doctors advice can't be trusted . . . Wait these doctors toe the rhetorical line? Well, all except this small subset of doctors who agree with me are to be ignored. People from outside the administration are conspiring to make this seem worse than it is.
Wait, these people from inside the administration are saying the same thing? They can't be trusted either - only people on the inside who say what I want to believe.
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President proves he is inept? "I don't care. What about [fill int he blank]?"
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Folks predict it would get this bad? "Ignore them; they're exaggerating to undermine the President." It gets exactly that bad? "Nobody could have seen this coming," and (at the same time), "Some people predicted it could be even higher if we didn't take precautions. We took precautions and it didn't get that high! Don't trust any of them!"
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We start seeing results after finally following doctors' & scientific advice? "Mission accomplished! Let's spike the ball on the 45 yard line!"
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Cases are still going up in most of the country, but scientists are now providing guidelines for reopening. The response: "DGAF. Instead of listening and trying to follow those guidelines, let's just listen to the people who have proven inept and consistently downplayed the threat because these guys are part of the team."
"Go team!"
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Experts' current prediction: a serious national resurgence of cases come Fall if we don't fully commit to preparation and mitigation in the prescribed systematic fashion.
If that increase happens who want's to bet we'll also see a resurgence of "They're overplaying this because of the election!"
And if we don't see the predicted possible increase?: "See? This proves they were always overplaying it because of the election!"
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We're living in a real life Idiocracy. It's just so fricking ridiculous.
EDITED because I had time.
This post was edited on 5/22/20 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 5/21/20 at 12:00 pm to chillmonster
Based on the news the last 6 weeks, I don’t know how any of us are still alive. So much of the news was such bullshite, that it made people not trust any of it. The Virus is real and nastier than regular flu, but it is not Ebola either. Why can’t we just be rational about it?
Posted on 5/21/20 at 6:53 pm to deeprig9
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frick you. I know you are stupid, but you aren't that stupid.
Google it yourself, you little simian bitch.
So you linked 3 articles that didnt say any of that. What a brilliant little rig mind you have there inside that tin foil hat.
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:12 pm to djsdawg
Posted on 5/21/20 at 8:48 pm to deeprig9
So you found one guy! What a compelling case you have made little rig brain with the tin foil hat.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 7:59 am to Peter Buck
Posted on 5/22/20 at 11:26 am to deeprig9
Funny but took only a two second glance at that image to recognize the faux-patriotic Fox News color scheme. Immediate discredit based on propaganda outlet quoting someone who wrote an opinion column in the WaPo but leaving out the context (including Kemp's interesting manipulation of the stats at the time to justify his decision). 
If fascism comes to America, it will not be identified with any shirt movement, nor with an insignia, but it will be wrapped up in the American flag and heralded as a plea for liberty and preservation of the constitution.
-James Waterman Wise, Jr. (1936)
If fascism comes to America, it will not be identified with any shirt movement, nor with an insignia, but it will be wrapped up in the American flag and heralded as a plea for liberty and preservation of the constitution.
-James Waterman Wise, Jr. (1936)
Posted on 5/22/20 at 12:37 pm to FinleyStreet
Nice scroll-over graphic with every U.S. county about midway down the page. Curve charts for the states, too.
Cool county-by-county and state COVID-19 graphics
Cool county-by-county and state COVID-19 graphics
Posted on 5/22/20 at 12:38 pm to Lucius Clay
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-James Waterman Wise, Jr.
34 year old author, art dealer, lecturer, at the time of that quote. I'm supposed to stop watching Fox on account of this guy?
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:26 pm to deeprig9
Habersham getting nailed, exactly 21 days after half of Atlanta (including myself) ran up to Lake Burton for the weekend of May1-3. The visitors seemed to be practicing a modicum of distancing, but the locals I ran into didn't give a damn about anything. Guy at the gas station behind the counter handling credit cards, cash, pens, receipts, no gloves, no sanitizer, another old man just hanging out in the store, they are both talking about how it's all just a hoax, etc.... while all these ATL weekenders are coming and going for ice, beer, bait, etc (including myself).
ETA- what you are looking at here is in that 14 day window where the disclaimer says the numbers in that window are generally higher than what is displayed because of a lag in getting results, reporting, the whole process, etc. Those numbers are usually revised up... meaning they have a legit 2nd curve on their hands, probably.
ETA- what you are looking at here is in that 14 day window where the disclaimer says the numbers in that window are generally higher than what is displayed because of a lag in getting results, reporting, the whole process, etc. Those numbers are usually revised up... meaning they have a legit 2nd curve on their hands, probably.
This post was edited on 5/22/20 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 5/22/20 at 2:50 pm to deeprig9
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34 year old author, art dealer, lecturer, at the time of that quote. I'm supposed to stop watching Fox on account of this guy?
Smart people are suspicious of those who say to trust only them. In the political arena, where the people should trust no one, those who say to trust only them are always trying to mislead.
Of those who make up America's vast and imperfect media that phrase applies almost exclusively those who machinate, mislead, and propagandize in Fox's not-so-little corner of the political landscape.
That alone should make any loyal Fox viewer question their viewing choices - or at least force some variance if only to gain exposure to what they're not being told.
This post was edited on 5/23/20 at 5:33 pm
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