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Posted on 4/7/20 at 1:53 pm to DawgsLife
Posted on 4/7/20 at 1:53 pm to DawgsLife
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Presidents have been lying since the dawn of time.
Yes...but it's matter of scale. Trump lies with a frequency and magnitude that is exponentially greater than any past President. He doesn't just bend and spin or speak the occasional mistruth. His essence is to lie constantly; the bigger the lie, the better.
Roy Cohn preached this to Trump's dad and Trump (and it's a tried and true technique of aspiring fascists): Lie big, lie constantly...and eventually enough people won't know truth from lies.
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 1:54 pm to Lucius Clay
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I think a mandatory IQ and civics tests, with cutoff scores as a requirement to vote, would dramatically change this country for the better.
YES it would, but then we would only have the Republican Party and Tea Party, and that would be racist
Posted on 4/7/20 at 2:01 pm to Lucius Clay
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Yes...but it's matter of scale. Trump lies with a frequency and magnitude that is exponentially greater than any past President.
Hardly. Just because the media screams up and down he is lying doesn't make it true. The media, who is supposed to be reporting facts lies more often than Trump does.
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Roy Cohn preached this to the media (and it's a tried and true technique of aspiring fascists): Lie big, lie constantly...and eventually enough people won't know truth from lies.
Shall we take a look at some of the greatest hits from the left?
"We have to pass the bill, before you can see what's in the bill."
"If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance!"
Ironically these were talking about the same subject.
Well, shoot...here's a link to some of Obama's lies. It's easier:
1,063 Documented Examples of Barack Obama’s Lying, Lawbreaking, Corruption, Cronyism, Hypocrisy, Waste, Etc.
It's amazing how the left can defend their politicians to the death while condemning their opponents...but I guess that the party of acceptance and inclusiveness.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 2:02 pm to Lucius Clay
I bet you write a mean term paper and drink a nice IPA but what’s your useful skills when or if the shite hits the fan?
Posted on 4/7/20 at 2:02 pm to deeprig9
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but yall are spinning out into Bhengazi and whatnot.
True. my bad.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 2:03 pm to deeprig9
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I don't want to have to shut this whole thing down.
Okay - back to Coronavirus.
Notable: Original statements a week and a half ago announced at White House presser and blasted all over by the media (which is surely enjoying the non-stop viewing): 150,000 - 200,000 American deaths with social distancing and economy shutting down; up to 2 million if we were to do nothing.
3 days ago, projection of US deaths: 111,000
Yesterday: downgraded to 93,521
Today: downgraded to 81,766
Okay...so this is being credited to much more and better data that's coming in...and of course they will say it's because the social distancing is working.
But when does someone start to ask if maybe the initial doomsday models were extremely overblown or even biased to inspire the fear necessary to get the social distancing going in the first place?
Where do the curves cross? Let's say we wind up with 60,000 US deaths.... Will that have justified the economic damage and TRILLIONS in additional federal debt on top of what is already a record deficit?
Not to minimize death but this is reminding me of the hurricane that was supposed to hit Florida as a Category 5 a few years back...and wound up a Cat 2 by landfall.
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 4/7/20 at 2:10 pm to Lucius Clay
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Yawn. Investigated, what, about 5 times now and there is nothing to put on Hilary or Obama. If there was, you better believe something would have been made of it.
Exactly the same can be said of the emoluments clause crap. The House already impeached him on total nonsense, if there was the slightest of anything to it he would have already been impeached for that.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 2:18 pm to Lucius Clay
Information from the White House must can't be trusted. I hope that deaths are held under 100,000 but don't count on it. We still aren't coming close to testing enough to know where we stand.
I alone can do it has morphed into I take no responsibility at all.
I alone can do it has morphed into I take no responsibility at all.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 2:29 pm to Whiznot
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Information from the White House must can't be trusted. I hope that deaths are held under 100,000 but don't count on it. We still aren't coming close to testing enough to know where we stand.
I alone can do it has morphed into I take no responsibility at all.
I'm going easy on you because I truly believe that you truly are scared shitless.
You should start watching the daily Trump briefings. They are usually 2 hours long, but all you get out them from your trusted media sources are 30 seconds of soundbites to make the whole thing look unhinged. I think if you start watching them, you will see that testing ramped up significantly (we have already seen this in GA, March 24-29 an average of 1200/day and Apr1-Apr7 average of 5200/day ) and about to be even more significant with thousands of new machines that went out yesterday that give results in 5 minutes.
Antibody tests are also rolling out, we're about a week away from those hitting the streets here to start getting numbers on people already infected and "over it", then another week from mass numbers for that.
It will be enough data to model at that point, that any objective person will be able to decide if we're all gonna die or we're all going back to work, and it will be one or the other.
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:08 pm to Lucius Clay
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But when does someone start to ask if maybe the initial doomsday models were extremely overblown or even biased to inspire the fear necessary to get the social distancing going in the first place?
That's actually a very good question. In fairness, it is all guess work., though. We have never seen this particular disease before. I do believe in most simulations things tend to be set a t a worse case scenario. They would prefer to overshoot their guesstimations, than to underestimate it. Just a guess, though.
quote:Another great question that people can easily argue against. I mean, people will always argue, but if I had to guess, the argument would be, "If we did not take the necessary steps that we took, it would have been much, much worse!"
Where do the curves cross? Let's say we wind up with 60,000 US deaths.... Will that have justified the economic damage and TRILLIONS in additional federal debt on top of what is already a record deficit?
But...who knows, really?
quote:Or the many, many times we have told a tremendous snow storm was approaching us, and everybody went out and bought up all the milk and bread in the stores....only this time they are buying toilet paper?
Not to minimize death but this is reminding me of the hurricane that was supposed to hit Florida as a Category 5 a few years back...and wound up a Cat 2 by landfall.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:13 pm to Whiznot
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Information from the White House must can't be trusted. I hope that deaths are held under 100,000 but don't count on it. We still aren't coming close to testing enough to know where we stand.
But it's not just this White House. Numbers are always conflated or deflated. I mean we were told Obama Care would bring the cost of insurance down.
I don't think they were lying. I just think there are so many things that can happen that all they can do is give a good guess.
Think about it. Trump doesn't come up with these numbers. Obama didn't come up with those numbers.
Both Presidents.....ALL Presidents are given their information by other people, and some of those people have agendas....or are making guesses/projections based upon the information they have at the time.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:14 pm to RedFive
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but what’s your useful skills when or if the shite hits the fan?
So people who can write (or people who might drink IPA???) can't have useful skills. Sounds like you're desperately seeking a stereotype.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:16 pm to IT_Dawg
You sure about that? Ever go to a Trump rally or talk to those who do? 
Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:24 pm to Lucius Clay
I’m asking you how useful you would be in a unmanaged society. Not very is my guess but continue to dodge the question if you like.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:30 pm to deeprig9
You are insulating yourself from the truth. I see both the Trump press conferences and field reports from doctors and nurses. The Trump pressers are full of lies and distortions.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:40 pm to Whiznot
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The Trump pressers are full of lies and distortions.
Agree somewhat (some disinformation is based upon bad data. And that isnt a lie).
No moreso than CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NY Times, Fox News, etc..
Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:57 pm to RedFive
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I’m asking you how useful you would be in a unmanaged society. Not very is my guess but continue to dodge the question if you like.
You have zero idea who I am and know nothing about my capabilities in an "unmanaged society," Mr. Survivalist, but I'm ignoring the question because it has no relevance to any comments I've made in this thread or any criticisms of Trump to which you're clearly reacting.
Come to think of it...maybe you should ask what skills Trump has in an unmanaged society, since he grew up in handed-down wealth, got out of military service multiple times, and seems to have an addiction to Big Macs and fries.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 4:00 pm to Whiznot
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I alone can do it has morphed into I take no responsibility at all.
True - for now. But if we wind up with 60K or 80K or even 100K deaths (instead of 200K or 500K) and normalcy starts to return sooner rather than later, you better believe it will morph to:
I alone did it -- only I could have gotten us out of this mess.
He is that much of an egomaniac.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 4:44 pm to Whiznot
Whiznot, you watching? Just started...
Posted on 4/7/20 at 4:53 pm to meansonny
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Agree somewhat (some disinformation is based upon bad data. And that isnt a lie).
No moreso than CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NY Times, Fox News, etc
Come on, man. There is a real difference.
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