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re: No KKK thread?
Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:09 pm to Peter Buck
Posted on 8/16/17 at 1:09 pm to Peter Buck
You're right PB, it is a trap. You are also right that social media has only added fuel to the fire. That and a dishonest media.
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Posted on 8/16/17 at 3:14 pm to ngadawg250
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That and a dishonest media.
You don't say Nostradamus? Thanks for blessing us with your 12th post.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 3:16 pm to Lucius Clay
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Trump was asked today: Do you put white supremacists on the same "moral plane" as people who oppose white supremacy and anti-Antisemitism?
Which is a totally reasonable question and not at all intellectually dishonest. It does not explain what "oppose" means, for example. "Oppose" literally spans every possible option from vocal disagreement to outright murder.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 3:20 pm to ngadawg250
You can only compromise if two sides want to compromise. The left does not want to compromise. They just want to keep pushing and moving the goal posts. Case in point, Gay Marriage. The win a huge victory on Gay Marriage and most were like, great, now we can move on to more important things. But just as soon as that was done we next start hearing about men peeing in women's bathrooms and how that needs to be ok and the XY chromosome doesn't mean anything any more. They just keep pushing. Unfortunately, we are being forced to decide when is too far and when we need to push back.
I'm a libertarian in philosophy. If they would just leave me alone and keep their issues and the government out of my life, I wouldn't care. But instead they want to push their issues and big government into every aspect of my life. I find that very hard to stomach.
I'm a libertarian in philosophy. If they would just leave me alone and keep their issues and the government out of my life, I wouldn't care. But instead they want to push their issues and big government into every aspect of my life. I find that very hard to stomach.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 3:25 pm to Lucius Clay
"The Klan, neoNazi groups, and other hate groups have such a wonderful history of tolerance and non-violence towards people they disagree with!! I guess our society was really functional up until these left wing folks threw some punches.."
Are you truly that stupid? There have been instances of violence, yes, but it isn't even remotely constant. The number of times that the Klan - to take one example - has had rallies without using violence towards anyone is far larger (probably by orders of magnitude) than the opposite. The put on their robes, give a few speeches to a "crowd" of a dozen or so people, and go home. Those things get 10 seconds of coverage on the local news, if that. Nobody pays any attention to them, and no one's life is even remotely disrupted. You may not like what they say, but society rolls right along with no problems.
Are you truly that stupid? There have been instances of violence, yes, but it isn't even remotely constant. The number of times that the Klan - to take one example - has had rallies without using violence towards anyone is far larger (probably by orders of magnitude) than the opposite. The put on their robes, give a few speeches to a "crowd" of a dozen or so people, and go home. Those things get 10 seconds of coverage on the local news, if that. Nobody pays any attention to them, and no one's life is even remotely disrupted. You may not like what they say, but society rolls right along with no problems.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 3:27 pm to FaCubeItches
Bingo
Posted on 8/16/17 at 3:28 pm to Peter Buck
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Do you hate white supremacists and anti-semites?
He does, but only in the name of tolerance.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 3:35 pm to SquatchDawg
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Weren't we just talking about Marxism responsible for more deaths in 20th century than Nazis?
Hey, don't forget about Maoism, it was even bloodier still.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 3:51 pm to retooc
The white supremacist nonsense has been blown out of proportion in order to take Trump and the GOP down a peg. The left (including the MSM) will continue to harp on this as if there is some racial crisis in this country all while ignoring all of the violence perpetrated by those with leftist ideology, such as the inner city gang violence that claims dozens of lives every week.
The Klan is mostly harmless and has been for some time. Even the idiot white nationalists weren't causing much of a problem prior to ANTIFA showing up and it was a single person who committed the violence that claimed a life, not the whole group. As much as I disagree with their ideology, this thing is being completely blown out of proportion for the purpose of scoring political points and companies and politicians are scrambling to disavow all appearance of racism before they get sprayed by the race-vomit being spewed by the MSM and the Democrats.
The Klan is mostly harmless and has been for some time. Even the idiot white nationalists weren't causing much of a problem prior to ANTIFA showing up and it was a single person who committed the violence that claimed a life, not the whole group. As much as I disagree with their ideology, this thing is being completely blown out of proportion for the purpose of scoring political points and companies and politicians are scrambling to disavow all appearance of racism before they get sprayed by the race-vomit being spewed by the MSM and the Democrats.
This post was edited on 8/16/17 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 8/16/17 at 4:29 pm to FooManChoo
This thread is a perfect example of the impact that letting these leftist extremists run loose, and the constant in your face attacks about statues, flags, pronouns, racism, bigotry, white privilege, etc., is having on our country.
You have a group of us - who categorically think white supremacists and KKK members are repulsive - actually DEFENDING them when they get attacked by these crazy leftists that, IMO, have become a much more serious threat.
Everyone - including myself - will stand up against neo-nazis and the KKK if they become a problem so they're marginalized. On the other hand, I see everyone but Trump COWERING in fear at being called a racist by these SJW's as they dictate to the whole country what is and isn't acceptable, what can or can't be said and who can or cannot be listened to.
That's scary shite for anyone paying attention.
You have a group of us - who categorically think white supremacists and KKK members are repulsive - actually DEFENDING them when they get attacked by these crazy leftists that, IMO, have become a much more serious threat.
Everyone - including myself - will stand up against neo-nazis and the KKK if they become a problem so they're marginalized. On the other hand, I see everyone but Trump COWERING in fear at being called a racist by these SJW's as they dictate to the whole country what is and isn't acceptable, what can or can't be said and who can or cannot be listened to.
That's scary shite for anyone paying attention.
This post was edited on 8/16/17 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 8/16/17 at 5:10 pm to Peter Buck
If the media and the public would just simply ignore all of these imbeciles on both sides, I wouldn't have to hear or see this stupid bullshite on tv and social media. 90% of the population wants have to their 2.4 kids with a good job and a roof and go about their business.
This is all so fricking childish.
This is all so fricking childish.
This post was edited on 8/16/17 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 8/16/17 at 5:47 pm to Peter Buck
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Interesting either way... at worst, this would suggest that there was an organized attempt to infiltrate and even lead the alt right...or, at best, it shows that far right and far left are essentially the same personality/physcholigal issues....
I think it's more of the latter. For a very long time, the vile commie filth on the left have successfully made every issue in this country about identity politics. Everyone is a supposed victim now based on their race, or their sexuality, or their financial status, or their trans-gender whatever, or etc etc.
So, after growing up under the bombardment of identity politics, is it really a shock to anyone that some whites would now be getting into the identity politics victimhood game themselves?
That's what the brazen white nationalists, and neo-nazis that hijacked the Lee statue removal rally were all pissed about if anyone actually listened. They weren't running around saying whites are supreme to other races. They were running around saying that they are victims based on their race and by other races. Just like all the other identity politics victim groups on the left do.
Trump didn't create these people. The left fricking did. Inadvertantly. But predictably. Plain as day. And now the left is crying about the shite storm they've conjured. It's sad and terrifying on too many levels to even count.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 6:25 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Jefferson, some very true statements there. I've said this before and I'll say it again: the left is all about science except when it comes to human genetics. Everybody isn't built the same way. Not everyone can be a doctor or professional athlete, and if you can't, you're a poor victim who has been oppressed.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 7:42 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Compromise? Laughable.
Not with factions paid for by Soros and company, with the intent of creating a socialist type state. Now if it's compromise, then all statues of blacks should be torn down, too...after all, didn't they sell their own people into slavery and also enslave more than any group of whites ever have?
Also, since we are on that same subject of placating the louder group - what about all the MLK statues...shouldn't they be removed due to him opposing gay marriage?
There is no compromise and placating the liberal mental disorder.
You're too angry right now. Compromise is closer than you think.
Out of all of the people at both protests, there were only 60 arrests. Most people abide by the law. But there are absolutely trouble-makers on both sides.
You are lumping the violent minority with the majority of people on the other side.
Crimes and criminals should be prosecuted. BlM, antifa, rioters and looters, and anyone who breaks the law. I agree that the law hasn't been upheld like it should have.
But don't lump 95% of law abiders with the 5% of thugs. Southerners don't like being stereotyped. We all react the same way to being miscategorized and mistreated.
As for removing statues... we have a democratic vote. Some of these removals are referendums. Some are politicians representing their constituents. Agree with the removal or not... this is the correct way to do it. If you hate MLK bad enough to remove him from a street sign, go ahead and win the vote. If the people have spoken, they have spoken (I don't agree with the removal. But I won't tell people in Virginia and North Carolina how to live and govern themselves.)
Posted on 8/16/17 at 8:05 pm to meansonny
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As for removing statues... we have a democratic vote. Some of these removals are referendums. Some are politicians representing their constituents. Agree with the removal or not... this is the correct way to do it. If you hate MLK bad enough to remove him from a street sign, go ahead and win the vote. If the people have spoken, they have spoken (I don't agree with the removal. But I won't tell people in Virginia and North Carolina how to live and govern themselves.)
Screw you, Sonny. I hate agreeing with a dwag.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 9:27 pm to Rules
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(I don't agree with the removal. But I won't tell people in Virginia and North Carolina how to live and govern themselves
How noble of you!
Better to just sit back oblivious to the big picture instead, right? Thinking you've taken some high-minded super noble and enlightened democratic stance......while completely blind to the commie cultural revolution that's going on right in front of your fat faces. fricking idiots.
Posted on 8/16/17 at 10:47 pm to MacDawg
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You can only compromise if two sides want to compromise. The left does not want to compromise. They just want to keep pushing and moving the goal posts. Case in point, Gay Marriage. The win a huge victory on Gay Marriage and most were like, great, now we can move on to more important things. But just as soon as that was done we next start hearing about men peeing in women's bathrooms and how that needs to be ok and the XY chromosome doesn't mean anything any more. They just keep pushing. Unfortunately, we are being forced to decide when is too far and when we need to push back.
I'm a libertarian in philosophy. If they would just leave me alone and keep their issues and the government out of my life, I wouldn't care. But instead they want to push their issues and big government into every aspect of my life. I find that very hard to stomach.
You're no libertarian, friend. Libertarians DO leave you alone.....but they also leave all those LGBT people alone.
Libertarianism really boils down to one simple law/theory......if you don't harm another's property, it's legal (where property can be life, assets, health, etc.).
The frustrations you list aren't harming you or your property in any way. You're only harmed by finding the entire LGBT nonsense disgusting. A libertarian would never talk about "pushing back" against such a personal thing as sexual orientation.
Why not just come out and say you're a republican? What is with those on the right embarrassed to be republicans so they hide behind the libertarian label in public but vote straight GOP in the voting booth?
Posted on 8/16/17 at 11:52 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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Libertarianism really boils down to one simple law/theory......if you don't harm another's property, it's legal
Then, by your own definition you yourself aren't a libertarian then.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 5:54 am to Jefferson Dawg
Black people who were never slaves are fighting white people who were never Nazis over a confederate statue erected by democrats, because democrats can't stand their own history anymore and somehow it's Trumps fault? Interesting.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 6:18 am to Kneehigh
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Black people who were never slaves are fighting white people who were never Nazis over a confederate statue erected by democrats, because democrats can't stand their own history anymore and somehow it's Trumps fault? Interesting.
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