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Buddy2012
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re: Kirby's Development of Talent
Monken was billed as a great developer of QBs. Made Weeden a 1st rd draft pick and the next year went through three qbs due to injury and they all played well. I guess with covid he didn't get the needed time but Dwan was highly rated and signed with Ohio State. Would he suck this bad if he were at Ohio State and got thrown into the game?

The biggest head scratcher is D Rob. Yeah I know Cal ran a different offense. Whatever. Matt Landers gets more looks than D Rob wth.


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..did you guys watch the florida game....how many times did we cover the rb out of the backfield or get to the qb? The answer is little to


As for the wheel routes that were so successful...

When a wheel route is successful because nobody was covering the player, then somebody missed an assignment. When it happens 4-5 times in the game it is coaching scheme. Nobody was assigned to cover their player, and there was no adjustments made.
As for the pass rush against Florida? It happens when you are missing two top DLinemen. People don't fully understand what push from the middle does to a pocket. When Jordan Davis is in there pushing the center of the pocket it makes the OLine double team him freeing up the edge rushers. No push in the center, no need to double team freeing up people to protect the edge more.


chillmonster
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I'm going to look at the actual numbers on this in a sec, but I suspect Kirby is behind only OSU, Clemson, and Bama in developing top tier defensive players.

I suspect you're overestimating the likelihood of a 5* kid meeting 247's projections. Yes, a higher % of these guys get drafted, but not all and the majority don't go in the first round. If you're expecting Georgia to put more than half of the 5* players in the first round, you're expecting too much.
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Ok. I went back to 2017 and looked at Bama, Clemson, Ohio State, and Georgia.

You could argue that Georgia has done the second best job overall with 5* kids and been the most consistent with development.

I don't want to go year for year or recruit for recruit, but outside of Ohio State's 2017 class Georgia has outperformed the best in the country in this regard.
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How do you guys feel?


Like you are clueless .


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Dwan was highly rated


He was NOT Highly rated.


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Nobody was assigned to cover their player


The assigned players got beat in coverage


FaCubeItches
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I feel like Kirby's talent development is average at best (especially on the defense).

IMO...I am not seeing us get the level of play out of the class ranking as expected. We have crazy depth and this past weekend against Florida I saw a team that was unprepared.


Year after year, it seems like a fair number of high-star recruits turn out to have been significantly, if not massively, overhyped/rated. The post a few days ago about the number of busts in the 2017 and 2018 classes alone was pretty indicative of this.

While we have had guys come in and live up to/exceed their ratings, plenty more did not. Some of that may be, and likely is, on coaching (not necessarily bad coaching, just not the right fit for that particular player) but a fair bit is trying to turn chicken shite into chicken salad.


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DawgsLife
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The assigned players got beat in coverage


The ones I saw nobody was anywhere near the wheel route man. If they got beat that badly, then they should have changed the coverage.


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The ones I saw nobody was anywhere near the wheel route man. If they got beat that badly, then they should have changed the coverage.


I know I saw Monty Rice get beat at least once for a huge gain (maybe a score?), likely a few times more if I went back to the tape. To be fair to him, he probably shouldn't be out there on his busted foot, but we can't afford to have him out of the game with LeCounte out too. He is pretty critical for ensuring the defense is getting lined up and playing the correct call.


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The ones I saw nobody was anywhere near the wheel route man. If they got beat that badly, then they should have changed the coverage


Picks


DawgsLife
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I know I saw Monty Rice get beat at least once for a huge gain (maybe a score?), likely a few times more if I went back to the tape. To be fair to him, he probably shouldn't be out there on his busted foot, but we can't afford to have him out of the game with LeCounte out too. He is pretty critical for ensuring the defense is getting lined up and playing the correct call.




Agreed. And maybe that was the problem. But it does no good to have him out there trying to cover the wheel route if he is obviously unable to do it with the injury. We were just in a bad spot with all the injuries, and I am looking forward to our game next year.


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DawgsLife
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The ones I saw nobody was anywhere near the wheel route man. If they got beat that badly, then they should have changed the coverage





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Picks


Could have been. I was not looking for those during the game, and I always have a hard time going back and looking at losses to study them.

When I was in High School we got beat during the playoffs and I never saw the game film. I was not interested in seeing a loss at the end of my HS career.

Our QB (Went to Tennessee) had made copies of some of the games and offered me some copies of games but I didn't want that game. I hate losing and don't want reminders.


Sandwich
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So I'm hearing that overall the recruiting just isn't what we think it is? If that is the case then maybe I am wrong about Kirby's development.

Hell if the players aren't as good as advertised then that would make sense


lewis and herschel
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Our problems last season were experienced, good wrs.

This year it is the situation that created Stet', not stet himself, and massive injuries.

There are hits and kisses in recruiting because recruiting is a multi-million dollar industry that sprung out of people caring too much. It is to sell subscriptions and magazines.

All programs have big, strong, fast guys. Some just have more or they have guys who are further along in their tradecraft.


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DawgsLife
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So I'm hearing that overall the recruiting just isn't what we think it is? If that is the case then maybe I am wrong about Kirby's development.



They are good. Recruiting rankings are not perfect, but they are very, very good. Is Kirby perfect? No. Is he good? Yes. He still has a lot to learn, and I think he will. This year was just a perfect storm of:
1. No Spring Practice
2. New Offensive Coordinator
3. New Offense installed
4. Best QBs opted out or injured
5. Injuries at key positions

A lot of people will hate this, but this is a year that gets a pass. Hopefully Kirby learns from this year and also the players.

As good as he is, Kirby still has a lot to learn about game preparation and player motivation on a seasonal basis. Game to game he is fine but you have to manage the highs and lows of scheduling and opponents. We can get there, but we still have a young, inexperienced coach that everybody wants to be nick Saban and he isn't. He never will be Saban, but he can still be very, very good.


chillmonster
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Kirby is doing great. It usually takes a lot of lessons and more than a handful of seasons as a HC to win a chip.

Here's the thing though. We can't get mad at fans for having high expectations. We should. That is part of a winning culture.

. . . and it also comes with the success Kirby has already had.
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djsdawg
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Just get mad at unreasonable fans who don’t understand football well.


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Buzz Killington
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It sucks watching this Florida/Arkansas game, Mullen's offense is ridiculously good. Hopefully, Kirby can figure out how to get an offense that can somewhat resemble this.


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Gtmodawg
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I don’t think there’s any question and the results on the field prove it. Everybody else recruiting at a similar level is playing in the playoffs every year. UGA not so much.

The jury is still out and Smart may yet prove to capable of competing for nattys but the clock is ticking.


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