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Gtmodawg
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He gave an evaluation. Not a prediction like you've been doing with Kirby. YUUUUGE difference.


Valid point.


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Gtmodawg
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the dumbass transfer portal has given the green light for people to transfer with impunity at the first sign of adversity.


At a time when they are ill equipped to make life decisions by age and have been told since birth that they are special and had that confirmed by not having to compete for ANYTHING their entire lives.

I personally thinking transferring, when warranted, should be the kids right and his decision to make, but 18-24 YOs today are as prone to poor decision making as people that age have always been and this current crop of people that age are woefully ill equipped to handle a challenge. It is a perfect storm.


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FooManChoo
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Another wasted scholarship on a guy we apparently mis-evaluated in Beck.
Apparently so did Florida and Alabama. He was committed to Alabama before Enos left.


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Apparently so did Florida and Alabama. He was committed to Alabama before Enos left.


Alabama was supposedly only a softly committable offer. There was always a chance he got recruited over in their class (and he likely would have left once Bryce joined their class).

I'm not saying he was or wasn't mis-evaluated, but early commitments and offers aren't necessarily 100% indicative. It's fair to say that his junior season showed promise, and that his senior year gave reason for pause.
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ThereGoesHerschel
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Another wasted scholarship on a guy we apparently mis-evaluated in Beck.


Who should have gotten it instead? When beck enrolled we had a JR who may or may not be around in 2020, a guy recovering from brain surgery that hadn't played a snap, and bennett. He was also a 4* that was mr football in FL as a junior. I'd love to hear how it was a waste of a scholly, unless your only opinion is "he isn't starting halfway through his true freshman season with no spring practice", in which case keep it to yourself


fibonaccisquared
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Indeed. If you're going to criticize Kirby and the staff, it's not on their QB evaluation, as Beck wasn't expected to contribute in year 1 by all accounts (thus the reason we went and got TWO transfer QBs). Mathis as well was brought in as an emergency backup once Fields was assumed to be transferring (as was Stetson Bennett being brought back).

It seems that between recruitment and actually being on the roster, that maybe Kirby and/or the staff is having problems with managing the QB room. QBs even moreso than WRs these days are generally the divas of the locker room. Pre-transfer portal, they were a little more resigned to their fate in year 1.

Unfortunately, it's the one position where you just don't have the flexibility of getting a guy "a little bit of playing time" (or a little more if already playing a little) to satisfy him. It could be something that we're saying/indicating during recruitment that is getting guys to sign but giving them the wrong idea, or it could be nothing on our staff and just entitled kids thinking that if the situation isn't good with the entrenched starter, that they'd be a better fit - ignoring the context of their own development. Let's face it, rational self evaluation and critique isn't always the hallmark of an 18-19 year old kid.

I am curious to see how Kirby handles the offensive staff at the end of the season. Lot of rumors that we may move on from Hankton (while he's upped the talent level, the actual on field performance and development still feels a little lacking, so probably a fair time to move on), presumably Monken might then own WR position as he did that for many years elsewhere and bring in a QB specialist. If we do that, seemingly Kirby is showing that he's continuing to try and make the necessary changes.


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(while he's upped the talent level, the actual on field performance and development still feels a little lacking


I'm tired of watching other teams catch everything thrown their way and when we actually hit a wr with the ball they have what feels like a 50% chance to drop it.


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Who's accounts would those be?

247 insider guys have strongly hinted at it. A former player that posts on Rivals said the same thing.


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fibonaccisquared
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I just assume we grease up our WR's gloves to win "style points" for difficulty of catches.

Of course, if we're talking Matt Landers, it doesn't matter where the ball is thrown, he will be impressively "almost in the right place but not close enough" every time, so his hands never come into play.


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We need, more than ever, receivers who get open. run the right routes, and catch everything that hits their hands and a few balls they shouldn’t have caught. An average QB can go a long way with good receivers. Watch Bama.


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fibonaccisquared
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We need, more than ever, receivers who get open. run the right routes, and catch everything that hits their hands and a few balls they shouldn’t have caught. An average QB can go a long way with good receivers. Watch Bama.


We've got 1 of the 3 right now. Receivers are getting open. Monken is designing and calling the right plays. (edit: "right" probably not the correct choice of words. effective would be more appropriate, given our inability to complete those passes to the open receivers).

Running the right routes is currently inconsistent, but fixable... chalk that one up primarily to a lot of young guys being forced to contribute at the position mostly due to injuries.

Catching seemed to improve when Hankton first got here, but it's still less than optimal to be sure. 50/50 balls I feel are more like 10/90 balls for us. And frankly anything further than 15 yards up field feels like it's a pretty big question mark as to whether we are capable of hauling it in from any receiver not named Kearis Jackson.
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If JT comes in and tears it up we're all going to be pissed he didn't play against Florida.


But stop and think about that. Why would we be upset? because he did well, and we have the advantage of hindsight. We want our coaches to see in the future and know which moves are the right moves 100% and then we grade them once the games are played. Coaches don't get the benefit of hindsight. Only armchair QBs.

If Daniels stinks it up or gets hurt because he is not 100% and ready to play do we fire Kirby because he did not see this coming?

This is precisely why we give our coaches the benefit of the doubt. They see what is happening every day in practice. They talk to the guys and they can see how much work the training staff is working on the kids. In other words, they have far more and far better information that we could ever hope to get.
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MacDawg
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We have 2 good WRs that catch most catchable balls that come their way ... Pickens and Jackson. And they both do well at getting separation. The passes have to be catchable though and that has been lacking since the Auburn game.
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fibonaccisquared
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We have 2 good WRs that catch most catchable balls that come their way ... Pickens and Jackson. And they both do well at getting separation. The passes have to be catchable though and that has been lacking since the Auburn game.


I would argue that Pickens has not created a lot of separation, but the good news is he doesn't need a lot in order to make plays because he does work to make catches. Unfortunately, our limitations at the QB position have frequently turned him into a defender rather than a receiver on passes more than 10 yards down field. Jackson on the other hand has been a monster at taking whatever the defense will give him and making himself a visible target - fortunately for him, this has had a high degree of overlap with the 10-15 yard up field window that Stetson is capable of throwing accurately to - thus leading receiver on the team by a wide margin.

Our biggest challenge in the passing game right now, IMHO, is that we have no ability to stress a defense much more than 10-15 yards down the field with any consistency. It's not a plus throw for any of the QBs that we've thrown out so far.

Maybe JTD changes that, but so long as opponents don't have to defend much farther than 10 yards up field, it's going to limit our ability to drive offensively pretty substantially. In particular, it *really* hurts us on 3rd and medium to long, as it allows them to concentrate bodies and attention in a much smaller window of the field.

I don't have the stats to back this one up so more of a gut feel, but I'd also say we just don't break tackles with the frequency that we have in years past at all... whether that's at the running back or receiver spot. This has led to a lack of explosivity in the run game where we will get some nice 10-15 yard running plays from White, but 25+ is pretty rare. Outside of Zeus' run to open against Florida, I can't recall thinking honestly before a play happened that our RB was going to take one to the house from outside 10 yards since the Chubb/Michel days. Not that we can't do it, just that it doesn't ever feel like a particularly likely scenario anymore.


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Peter Buck
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We have 2 good WRs that catch most catchable balls that come their way ... Pickens and Jackson. And they both do well at getting separation. The passes have to be catchable though and that has been lacking since the Auburn game.


Pickens still can’t read a blitz and make a route adjustment consistently. That is huge at this level.


jodeaux
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Who should have gotten it instead? When beck enrolled we had a JR who may or may not be around in 2020, a guy recovering from brain surgery that hadn't played a snap, and bennett. He was also a 4* that was mr football in FL as a junior. I'd love to hear how it was a waste of a scholly, unless your only opinion is "he isn't starting halfway through his true freshman season with no spring practice", in which case keep it to yourself


All you needed to check was his Senior stats to see he was a product of the talent around him last year. Heck, our staff was STILL going after Brice Young and Uiagalelei when we had Beck committed.

We only took MATHIS out of spite. Ohio St took Fields and so Kirby got pissed and took Mathis. There was no evaluation there. No discussion of fit or scheme, Kirby simply gave the kid a scholly out of anger.

Also, did you know that Stetson had maybe one D1 offer after his time in JUCO? He lead JUCO in interceptions I believe also.

We completely mismanaged the QB room. Instead of wasting a scholly on Stetson and Mathis, what we needed was an evaluation based on FIT and scheme rather than spite (to Mathis) and loyalty (to Bennett).

A decent coaching staff wouldn't have mad such impulsive, stupid decisions. No doubt Kirby has had some bad luck with transfers but what we got in the QB room right now could've been better had he actually made careful evaluations.


Damn Good Dawg
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Something I can’t understand from what I read on these boards or my friends is how “mad” they’ll be if JT turns out to be good. Are we really going to be mad if we actually have a QB worth a shit? Cause the alternative really isn’t appealing to me.


lewis and herschel
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Hell they were pissed at our last qb who won us an sec title, rose bowl, and a sugar bowl.

Spoiled mfers.


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Porter Osborne Jr
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They have a point in that we could have used him vs UF. But I'll just be happy we finally have someone worth a shit


Kneehigh
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So... it’s a for sure JT gets the keys this Saturday?


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