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re: Jim Chaney will be the downfall of this season
Posted on 9/12/17 at 9:58 am to Barstools
Posted on 9/12/17 at 9:58 am to Barstools
The problem is that we can't get consistent first downs running the ball. The averages are skewed because we have some great backs that hit some big runs. The read option gets way too many 2 yard or less plays for us.
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Posted on 9/12/17 at 9:59 am to Peter Buck
And no one disagreed.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:11 am to djsdawg
Talking about this season son... we all know you were wrong, time to move on...
Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:25 am to Peter Buck
No one predicted Reggie Davis making a NFL team old man. Not even you.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:32 am to djsdawg
My predictions non-withstanding, file him under squandered talent...
The past is the past, let's talk about why we can't run between the tackles this year now...
The past is the past, let's talk about why we can't run between the tackles this year now...
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:20 am to Peter Buck
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file him under squandered talent
Yep...
Can't possibly fathom why it was difficult for a coaching staff to utilize his talent. Really sure handed and reliable, not to mention all the separation he was known for creating...
Some guys just work harder when the difference is a paycheck...
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:27 am to fibonaccisquared
Everyone makes mistakes. Even coaches 
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:27 am to fibonaccisquared
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Can't possibly fathom why it was difficult for a coaching staff to utilize his talent. Really sure handed and reliable, not to mention all the separation he was known for creating...
Wow,so you're summing up his career on that one play.How
bout if we do the same with Hardman off the drop vs ND?
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:40 am to fibonaccisquared
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Some guys just work harder when the difference is a paycheck...
And some work very little for a paycheck, too. People like Henry Hill and Michael Franzese have long talked about how easy it is to pay off college athletes. I doubt that was the case with Reggie Davis, but it does happen.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:58 pm to RD Dawg
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Wow,so you're summing up his career on that one play
No, I'd sum up his career *@ UGA* about the same way that the stats page does:
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2013
UGA
11 257 23.4 98 1
2014
UGA
6 63 10.5 18 0
2015
UGA
12 187 15.6 48 1
2016
UGA
9 111 12.3 32 0
He just didn't find a way to contribute in a particularly meaningful capacity (at least not with any consistency at all). It's not like we've had all world WRs that he's been stuck behind. He flat out didn't get it done.
Most of us here have beleaguered the point that we've not had consistent WR talent for several years now. I'd count Mitchell there, but his career was somewhat mired with injuries while he was here (not to mention the WR/DB shuffle that we seemed destined to repeat with Hardman - hopefully that is fully done now). It's a bit of revisionist history to say that now because he made an NFL roster as a backup on a bad team that he was some kind of squandered talent.
That particular gif is just one of many examples of dropped balls, poor performances, etc that he had during his career. He had some good moments occasionally, but the stat sheet is pretty clear. It's not that I *want* him to be bad... it's that he wasn't a *good* WR while he was here. He was a reasonably reliable return man. That gif is the most memorable play he likely has from his time here for better or worse (and that's including the fact that he had a 98 yard touchdown his freshman year, albeit against North Texas).
He had 3 catches for 101 yards and a TD in that game against UT... it was 54% of is total yards on the season and 100% of his TD catches. I will grant you that what he does well (speed/go routes) wasn't exactly helped by the limitations of the QBs that he had for 2 of his 4 seasons (Mason and Lambert not known for down field passing prowess). Unsurprisingly, his best year from a yardage standpoint came with Murray at the helm, but even then if you remove his single longest catch of 98 yards, he's only at 150 with a good OL and QB and the last season with Bobo at OC. He was also only a 3 star athlete coming out of high school for what it's worth... we probably shouldn't have *had* to rely on him, particularly as a freshman.
I'm not saying the guy had no talent, but this revisionist bullshite of "guy makes roster, coaches wasted his talent" is ridiculous.
As far as using that to compare to Hardman, Hardman still has a long way to go. He's proving that he's got a lot of speed, but an elite receiver at this point, he is not. Who knows what his future holds, but fortunately, his play likely won't be etched into the minds of fans simply because the game ended differently.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:02 pm to Peter Buck
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Everyone makes mistakes. Even coaches
Absolutely. If you can point out a place where I have given a free pass to our coaches at any point, by all means... go ahead.
Everyone is a work in progress right now... players, coaches, support staff. Reggie Davis I would say was a personnel/coaching mismatch for what we have been able to do for most of his time here at UGA. He's primarily a deep ball threat. Runs a 4.5ish 40 time and has good initial burst and a decent first move. If he can get separation, you've got a chance downfield. 2 out of his 4 years here had QBs that were ill equipped to take advantage of it. One was with a freshman QB that we seemed to protect, and the other was his freshman season when we were plagued with injuries as a team... bad timing is likely one of the biggest reasons for his inability to contribute regularly.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:32 pm to RD Dawg
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Wow,so you're summing up his career on that one play.H
He made about 5 big plays in his 4 year career. 3 were horrible screw ups. You want gifs of the other 2?
Posted on 9/12/17 at 2:09 pm to djsdawg
Like I said, it's been proven beyond doubt that there was talent on last years team... much more than the derpy derp empty wagon apologists want to admit. It's time to move on. We are in week 3 of the season, we have at least 3 NFL running backs on the roster. Why can't we run the ball between the tackles still? Why are we running a read option with a QB who everyone knows won't run it? Why can't we run a toss sweep or ISO?
Posted on 9/12/17 at 3:09 pm to Peter Buck
There was very little senior talent on the team last year. That hasn't been disproven.
Jim Chaney is the answer to the other questions.
Jim Chaney is the answer to the other questions.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 3:26 pm to djsdawg
There were 3 Senior lineman and that was the alleged weak link... now we have hot shot recruits in there and it's the same result. Everything points to scheme vs bare cupboard... the insurgency began and we missed it...
Posted on 9/12/17 at 3:33 pm to Peter Buck
2 new guys are freshmen, and we shouldn't expect them to own the los.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 3:55 pm to djsdawg
shite, I guess there's next year.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 4:04 pm to Peter Buck
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Like I said, it's been proven beyond doubt that there was talent on last years team... much more than the derpy derp empty wagon apologists want to admit. It's time to move on. We are in week 3 of the season, we have at least 3 NFL running backs on the roster. Why can't we run the ball between the tackles still? Why are we running a read option with a QB who everyone knows won't run it? Why can't we run a toss sweep or ISO?
What is it that you want to hear? Do you think that Kirby is failing the team in some capacity as head coach currently? If so, *specifically* what is it that you feel he should do or should be doing differently. If it's *not* Kirby, who is it that you feel is to blame. Most people seem to believe (and many including myself have believed since he was hired) that Chaney is at best an average OC and at worst may be an anchor that sinks Kirby's first staff. He's going to frustrate... but he's also a veteran OC presence who isn't likely to get hired away in year 2, so it gave Kirby someone to build around theoretically. I can see value in it, but it's put up or shut up time this season for him. If he can't get us where we need to offensively, he needs to be encouraged to look elsewhere. Similarly but to a much lower degree for Pittman. Right now he's delivering elite prospects on the OL from a recruiting standpoint. He's starting a freshman at RT and wants to start one at RG... and they're holding their own mostly. They're not perfect, but they do seem to be an improvement. Are you unable to concede that it would seem we're still a little limited at Center with Gaillard being a converted DL, LG seems to be a revolving door, and Wynn is playing LT out of necessity because we don't want our QB killed so experience > fit. That doesn't make them terrible, but it does mean we're having to make the best out of what we've got for right now. I'd say what we're seeing on the OL is improvement from last season. It's not where I *hoped* we would be, but it is better.
I know you like to just ruffle feathers around here, but seriously... let's discuss this like rational adults here rather than just pushing peoples buttons.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 4:32 pm to fibonaccisquared
Just tired of the excuses. There was more than enough talent year and this year to have a serviceable line. I think we have enough this year as well. You can coach lineman all day long, but if you allow the(intentionally) unblocked End to crash a play because he knows the QB isn't keeping it, then what are you doing for the team? It just always seems like his plays allow more defenders in the box than blockers.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 5:03 pm to Peter Buck
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Just tired of the excuses
That's fair, that's why I asked... what do you think specifically is the problem.
If you came out and said: "I think Jim Chaney is an idiot... has a pretty awful scheme and couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag..." you'd probably not get much in the way of arguments.
I do believe after it was all said and done, our line last year did not perform up to its potential. With that said, I *do* think last year's line was probably about as good as an 9-3 or 8-4 team... With the way the schedule played out, I think we lost the games we probably were supposed to in UF and Ole Miss. UT we probably were "supposed to" lose that from a talent level/experience standpoint but we played on the high side of our potential at least... losing of course on some dumb shite at the end between penalty, poor special teams play, and an atrocious Hail Mary defense (that somehow included Lorenzo Carter as a DB... still don't like it). Then there were the games we probably should not have lost but disappointed in with Vandy and Tech.
All in all, we underperformed by my estimation by about 2 games from a win/loss perspective. Now, with that said, we played much worse than we should have in other games (see: Nicholls) but from a costing the team wins perspective, I think the failure to perform was limited to a 2 game swing, so instead of 8-5, we could have been 10-3. Obviously, there were also games we could have just as easily lost (see: Mizzou, UK, maybe Nicholls).
Do I put that solely on Kirby and say he's a failure as a coach in year 1? No. Defensively we played good not great. Given the progress I'm seeing in year 2 and Kirby's strength/background, I'm willing to say that has been a change for the positive thus far (though the jury remains out for me until I see some SEC matchups - it could be fool's gold still). Kirby seems to be letting the offensive side of the ball really run through Chaney, for better or worse (though most of the support staff that have been added on have been on the offensive side of the ball FWIW).
I think the zone read is a terrible idea if you're not at least going to run the QB once or twice early to force the defense to respect it. I said this about UT's game against Tech while I was sitting in the stands. In the second half they finally did it a couple of times and lo and behold, their offense started "working". It's not rocket surgery. I have to imagine we know that at some level, but maybe are terrified about opening up Fromm to injury with Ramsey as his backup. But... if that's the case... don't run it. It doesn't help anyone and it gets us somewhere between 2 yards to negative yards nearly every time as a result.
Line play this year has been improved to the point that I'd call it at least "serviceable". At least it seems that way. Run blocking has been poor, though notably better when Kindley is in the game.
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more defenders in the box than blockers
This I'll fully agree with, and for the life of me can't seem to figure out why we're not able to take advantage of it more. the 2 TE sets are great in theory, but we're not throwing to the TE with any real regularity thus far that I'm seeing and it ends up bringing more bodies to clog up running lanes. Until we show some proficiency with the deep ball, it's likely going to remain that way unfortunately.
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