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re: Jim Chaney will be the downfall of this season
Posted on 9/12/17 at 8:58 pm to fibonaccisquared
Posted on 9/12/17 at 8:58 pm to fibonaccisquared
It was just frustrating to watch us struggle against Nichols State and then have the fans blame the lack of talent. That game was a harbinger for me and should have been for everyone else. If you need two deep NFL players to make your college line scheme work, you need to ask yourself who is to blame.
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Posted on 9/12/17 at 9:05 pm to Peter Buck
Excellent 6660 Post.
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Posted on 9/12/17 at 9:10 pm to Peter Buck
I've said it 100 times already...Cheney may not be the best OC. In fact, I am sure he is not. None of that matters when we have "the best OL coach in America" who doesn't seem to be able to put a decent fricking line on the field though he has 4 and 5 star players all up and down his ranks. Great coaches get the best out of what they have. They don't have to have a specific type of player to put together a working unit. I know, I know...he's recruiting at the highest level, and as soon as he has "his guys" the sky will be the limit. Well, I would say that he's pretty limited as a coach if he MUST have "his guys" in order to field even a moderately effective OL. Dude is flat stealing a paycheck...or at least half his paycheck if you want to credit him with the recruiting of "his guys".
Yes. I know most of you are still fondling Pittmans nuts over how great he is and will argue that I just don't understand or that Im an idiot. I expect these things. Just ask yourself this...how many years do you think he deserves to make 800k without putting together a working unit?
Yes. I know most of you are still fondling Pittmans nuts over how great he is and will argue that I just don't understand or that Im an idiot. I expect these things. Just ask yourself this...how many years do you think he deserves to make 800k without putting together a working unit?
Posted on 9/12/17 at 9:26 pm to DawgHolliday
I think your premise is wrong.
I think our OL is pretty good.
It's not Bama Good but I think 100 other teams out there would gladly trade their OL personnel and coach for ours.
I think our OL is pretty good.
It's not Bama Good but I think 100 other teams out there would gladly trade their OL personnel and coach for ours.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 9:36 pm to deeprig9
100 other teams might be on the high side.
Had you said 50, I may have agreed.
I'll stand by what I said. "The best OL coach in America" should be putting together a much better line than we have regardless of the personnel he has to work with. I don't think the talent is the problem.
Had you said 50, I may have agreed.
I'll stand by what I said. "The best OL coach in America" should be putting together a much better line than we have regardless of the personnel he has to work with. I don't think the talent is the problem.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:05 pm to DawgHolliday
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I don't think the talent is the problem.
It certainly was the problem last year. Richt's offensive line recruiting was abysmal his last 5 years. We lacked talented, depth, and size last year. We also lacked offensive tackle type bodies. Having to bring in Catalina is proof of that. Only our last recruiting class did we upgrade those areas. The problem is most of the talent is young and inexperienced.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:06 pm to HTDawg
"Having" to bring in a Grad transfer who made an NFL team is proof of what exactly?
Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:20 pm to DawgHolliday
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"The best OL coach in America" should be putting together a much better line than we have regardless of the personnel he has to work with.
Do you think the best OL coach in America has a secret password that he gives his players that makes them suddenly understand new layers of existence, makes their bodies stronger, and fuels their minds with the instinct and grit that it takes to form a cohesive championship caliber offensive line?
Pittman observes Wynn flinch inside on a blitz and lets the DE around to the QB...
"Come here boy!" Pittman yells in practice.
Wynn walks up, head down, knowing he did wrong.
"Yama Yama Yama Yama Yaaaaaaaamaaaa"
FOOLS! To think you could kill the brother of Badulla!
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Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:53 pm to Peter Buck
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"Having" to bring in a Grad transfer who made an NFL team is proof of what exactly?
He said:
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Richt's offensive line recruiting was abysmal his last 5 years. We lacked talented, depth, and size last year. We also lacked offensive tackle type bodies
Posted on 9/13/17 at 9:09 am to djsdawg
...and I asked how 'having' to bring in a grad transfer with NFL potential was a sign of that? How many teams do you think would turn down a Grad transfer lineman with NFL potential?
It's kinda like saying Deeprig has problems picking up the ladies, that's why he has to bang strippers.
It's kinda like saying Deeprig has problems picking up the ladies, that's why he has to bang strippers.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 9:27 am to Peter Buck
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"Having" to bring in a Grad transfer who made an NFL team is proof of what exactly?
You don't follow conversations very well do you? Brining in Catalina is proof that we lacked depth and offensive tackle type bodies. I couldn't care less whether he made an NFL team or not. He stunk at UGA, and that is precisely why he wasn't drafted.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 9:52 am to HTDawg
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You don't follow conversations very well do you? Brining in Catalina is proof that we lacked depth and offensive tackle type bodies. I couldn't care less whether he made an NFL team or not. He stunk at UGA, and that is precisely why he wasn't drafted.
I don't think you understand. Bringing in a mature, grad transfer O lineman, who has NFL potential is a windfall. Now he is getting paid NFL$ and we still can't run between the tackles. This is an indictment allright...
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:43 am to Peter Buck
You're pissing in the wind. Their looking for someone to blame for bad performance that isn't the current staff. You're not changing their minds.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:55 am to SneakyWaff1es
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And who is this "they" that you speak of. There is plenty of blame to go around... it needn't be focused on the outbound staff or the current staff specifically. Everyone plays a hand in it... the bigger question is can we unfrick the situation. Right now, it seems to be on a positive course overall but still a *long* way to go on the offensive side of the ball. Whether Smart/Chaney/et al can make those changes as a collective unit, I really don't know the answer. I think we all *hope* the answer is yes, but as a wise man once told me, hope is not a strategy. I've said elsewhere and I'll say it again, if Chaney is incapable of producing some semblance of a functional offense with an identity we should encourage him to look elsewhere and see if we can make a better second hire at OC (hell, we might even have a better OC on staff in Coley or a potential future OC in McGee... not to mention some of the offensive analysts that we've hired with OC experience).
Right now we look markedly improved on the defensive side of the ball. Special Teams looks much better than we're used to... Not putting a ton of stock into either until I see it carry over into the SEC grind, but it's certainly encouraging. If we just cleaned up last week's performance a bit from a penalty/drop standpoint, we're probably not all quite so critical of Chaney, so I'm ok with seeing what he's got to bring this season. There were *some* (not many IMO) smart things that he did on Saturday. Still a long way to go though... we don't need a top 25 offense really. With a top 5-ish defense, just a consistent 25-30 points per game would likely win comfortably with our remaining regular season schedule.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 10:56 am to SneakyWaff1es
I know... deep down, even they know... I like to dwell deep in their black hearts of doubt.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 11:26 am to SneakyWaff1es
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I don't think you understand. Bringing in a mature, grad transfer O lineman, who has NFL potential is a windfall. Now he is getting paid NFL$ and we still can't run between the tackles. This is an indictment allright...
It may be an indictment of Pittman and/or Chaney. It's also because of Richt's abysmal offensive line recruiting his last few years. You Richt apologists will just have to deal with that. The talent we have are mostly true freshmen.
You also seem to be obsessed with Catalina being on an NFL team as if that means he didn't suck at UGA. Again, I couldn't care less what he does in the NFL. He could be a 10 time All-Pro, he still stunk at UGA. There are many examples of middling players at UGA who exploded in the NFL. Doesn't mean they were great at UGA.
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You're pissing in the wind. Their looking for someone to blame for bad performance that isn't the current staff. You're not changing their minds.
Plenty of blame to go around, including the previous staff and it's recruiting tactics, and this staff.
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 11:27 am
Posted on 9/13/17 at 11:42 am to HTDawg
i could care less about Richt... he is long gone. I'm simply pointing out that I, a person who has at least an above understanding of football and offensive lines, stated numerous times that Catalina was considered NFL material and that because he made a few misses on camera, that he was not bad and that there was a lot more to it... I guess it's easy for simple minds to blame a player...because they can go back to anecdotal evidence of the player making a mistake and then making an assumption that the mistakes were commonaplace.
Arm chair emotional types said he was abysmal and "sucked here". I said he was NFL talent and that there was more to it... it had to do with scheme, play calling, and being put in 3rd and long too much...among things...
He is in the NFL... I was right. The cupboard was not empty. Our coaches did not put the talent they had in a position to succeed enough. We are seeing it again this year... let's move on. I'm right... maybe you can prove me wrong this year...
Arm chair emotional types said he was abysmal and "sucked here". I said he was NFL talent and that there was more to it... it had to do with scheme, play calling, and being put in 3rd and long too much...among things...
He is in the NFL... I was right. The cupboard was not empty. Our coaches did not put the talent they had in a position to succeed enough. We are seeing it again this year... let's move on. I'm right... maybe you can prove me wrong this year...
Posted on 9/13/17 at 11:46 am to Peter Buck
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Having" to bring in a Grad transfer who made an NFL team is proof of what exactly?
Did said grad transfer actually make a play last year?
Posted on 9/13/17 at 11:51 am to Peter Buck
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Arm chair emotional types said he was abysmal and "sucked here". I said he was NFL talent and that there was more to it... it had to do with scheme, play calling, and being put in 3rd and long too much...among things..
Among other things being that he had poor footwork and quickness for a tackle? I hate putting words in your mouth. But it is what it is.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 11:54 am to meansonny
1)Nichols State
2) NFL
I'm right... time to move on...
2) NFL
I'm right... time to move on...
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