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dawgfan24348
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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Even the Mercatus Center, a right-wing think tank, recently found about $2 trillion in net savings over 10 years from a single-payer Medicare for All system. Most importantly, everyone in America would have high-quality health care coverage.

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Administrative savings from Medicare for All would be about $600 billion a year. Savings on prescription drugs would be between $200 billion and $300 billion a year, if we paid about the same price as other wealthy countries pay for their drugs. A Medicare for All system would save still more with implementation of global health care spending budgets.

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Under both Sen. Bernie Sanders's (I-Vt.) Medicare for All bill and Rep. Pramila Jayapal's (D-Wash.) Medicare for All bill, patients would not pay deductibles or coinsurance when they receive medical care. Their bills also provide for vision, hearing and dental care, as well as long-term services and supports, such as home care and nursing home care.

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The government already pays for about two-thirds of health care costs. Among other things, it pays for Medicare, Medicaid, VA, TriCare and a wide range of state and local health care programs, along with private insurance for government employees and tax subsidies for private insurance.


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Allow Medicare to negotiate with the big drug companies to lower prescription drug prices with the Medicare Drug Price Negotiation Act.

Allow patients, pharmacists, and wholesalers to buy low-cost prescription drugs from Canada and other industrialized countries with the Affordable and Safe Prescription Drug Importation Act.

Cut prescription drug prices in half, with the Prescription Drug Price Relief Act, by pegging prices to the median drug price in five major countries: Canada, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, and Japan.




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Additionally, a report from the World Health Organization also cites research that “within the United Kingdom, sickness or disability accounted for 5% of households in financial difficulties


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Whiznot
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time


SneakyWaff1es
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
What do you do for a living? I'm just curious as to what services I should bitch about having to pay for. I mean all of those doctors, nurses, techs, and every other ancillary staff member in Healthcare have gone through school or training or some sort. Some of it very rigorous and expensive. If you think they deserve less than they make to do it, then I think whatever you do should also be free so you can take a huge pay cut.




RedFive
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Member since Apr 2015
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
Money over quality huh? We have by far the best healthcare in the world. But hey, let’s save some money.


dawgfan24348
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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I mean all of those doctors, nurses, techs, and every other ancillary staff member in Healthcare have gone through school or training or some sort. Some of it very rigorous and expensive. If you think they deserve less than they make to do it, then I think whatever you do should also be free so you can take a huge pay cut.

None of this seems to be a problem where universal healthcare has been implemented. Also plenty of jobs are paid through taxes nice try though


dawgfan24348
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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Money over quality huh?

Not even close to the argument being made
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We have by far the best healthcare in the world

Quality wise yes, but what good is high quality healthcare if you can't afford it?


RedFive
Georgia Fan
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
It’s not mine nor anyone else’s responsibility to pay your hospital bills. I recognized the fact that insurance would be high as hell and made arrangements for myself years ago and you had the same choice. You choose differently. Now go pay for your healthcare and quit trying to pass your bills off on other people.


SneakyWaff1es
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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None of this seems to be a problem where universal healthcare has been implemented
Those physicians make way less than ours do. Nice try, though.


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frogtown
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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22 studies agree: 'Medicare for All' saves money


A lot of those same types of people told taxpayers Obamacare would save $2500 per family. They said it would bend the cost curve. Never happened.

A lot of you "wizards of smart" need to quit trying implement universal care to all 50 states all at once. Will never happen. We won't be fooled.

But if you think it will work why not implement universal care in a state, a state like California. See if it works. See if it actually lowers cost. I would like to see what happens. Actually I know what will happen. Healthcare costs in California will explode.

If you and dawgfan24348 were actually worried about healthcare costs the thing to do would be to GET RID OF OBAMACARE. That would lower costs tremendously.
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meansonny
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
This ^^^^^^^^^


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Crowknowsbest
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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None of this seems to be a problem where universal healthcare has been implemented.

That’s not really true. Our quality of healthcare is so high largely because the competency of the people becoming doctors, nurses, etc. is higher than other countries.

Basic economics says that if you decrease the incentive to be a doctor, the quality of candidate entering med school will also decline.

ETA: a very likely consequence of universal healthcare is that your best and most experienced specialists move to an all-cash model outside of the insurance system in order to maintain their own lifestyles. Younger doctors won’t have that option very often, so we will struggle to backfill with similarly gifted new candidates.
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VADawg
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Basic economics says that if you decrease the incentive to be a doctor, the quality of candidate entering med school will also decline.


Ding ding ding! We have a winner.

This is absolutely the correct answer. You think people are going to do 8 years of med school and 4 years of residency if a high salary isn't the reward for all of that work?


bigdawg7780
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
The vast majority of medical break throughs in the world happen in the US where there is still a reason to research. Go look at cancer survival rates between the US and countries like France, Great Britain and Canada you may be shocked. I don't want to compare the system we have now to single payer because what we have is broken, it was designed by Democrats to be broken so they could ram single payer down our throats. Every bit of Obama era regulation needs to be stripped, open up the ability to buy insurance across state lines, and have up front pricing in hospitals made them compete for your money. You'll see cost drop.
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meansonny
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open up the ability to buy insurance across state lines,

That doesnt solve anything. It doesnt hurt (other than muddying state bureaucracies).

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and have up front pricing in hospitals

This is one of the biggest problems with healthcare. Price discrimination based upon the insurance plan (or lack thereof). It boggles my mind how so many regulated industries have price controls but hospitals will overcharge 1 plan so they can under charge 2 others.
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made them compete for your money

That is one important part of a free economic system that is lacking today.
There are problems unique to healthcare which make the entire system a challenge (pricing experience and prior success into the system which is highly regulated).


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dawgfan24348
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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quit trying to pass your bills off on other people.


That's such an asinine and childish take. The entire idea of universal healthcare is oso people don't go broke paying for an ER visit. Instead you want to deflect that and just label anyone in favor of M4A as lazy or cheap.

But I guess it must be nice to not have to ever worry about medical bills. I mean I could bitch at you for making us pay your bills but then I'd be a hypocrite


RedFive
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Ringgold Ga
Member since Apr 2015
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
It brings me joy to know you pay my medical bills and have no choice. Instead of worrying about the droves of drug addicts and dead beats who drain our medical system you zero in on someone who worked for the benefit.

Be sure to hydrate while you cry so you don’t get lightheaded and run up a medical bill I don’t have to help you pay.


meansonny
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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The entire idea of universal healthcare is oso people don't go broke paying for an ER visit.


What is wrong with Medicaid?
I'm not sure what you are hoping to accomplish that Medicaid doesnt do right now (if you are a communist or socialist... I know what your intentions are. But you haven't come out of that closet)
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deeprig9
Member since Sep 2012
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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up front pricing in hospitals made them compete for your money. You'll see cost drop.



Only if HSA's become the norm, the law. As long as someone else is paying for it, people don't GAF about the cost.

Universal HSA's
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Transparent pricing across all levels of healthcare
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Lower cost through competition, ending defensive medicine and BS treatments, more consideration of what is necessary vs precautionary vs total BS, and ownership of your own care.


Poor and destitute groups can keep medicare and medicaid. The VA can keep the VA.

Everyone else goes to a mandated HSA plan.





VADawg
Georgia Fan
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2011
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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if you are a communist or socialist... I know what your intentions are. But you haven't come out of that closet


He has admitted on other boards to being a Bernie bro. That should tell you everything you need to know.


RedFive
Georgia Fan
Ringgold Ga
Member since Apr 2015
1947 posts

re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
When I use it I get great healthcare at the VA. I honestly am very happy with the healthcare I get there.


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