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dawgfan24348
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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He has admitted on other boards to being a Bernie bro. That should tell you everything you need to know.



That I am neither of the two. But of course anyone to the left of you is just a dirty socialist or commie like all those socialist countries like Australia, England, and Denmark


dawgfan24348
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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It brings me joy to know you pay my medical bills and have no choice. Instead of worrying about the droves of drug addicts and dead beats who drain our medical system you zero in on someone who worked for the benefit.

You couldn't have missed the point more if you tried.


Prettyboy Floyd
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
The issue with saying Universal Health Care is a basic right. In order to guarantee Health Care you have to have doctors and medical professionals. Currently doctors go to school for about 8 years - Post High school to earn enough of an education to perform as a doctor - Nurses 4-6 years and the govt then comes in and now says - you now work for us.

Universal Healthcare now says those doctors can no longer set their own rates based on supply/demand/technology advances. So now the govt is there to determine rates. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the issue with that but I digress.

Essentially Doctors - One of the more esteemed professions essentially become slaves to the state. So what will happen to the medical professionals - Some will move on, some will retire, some will stay and accept the universal across the board pay cuts and technology advances will essentially no longer be a thing because cutting edge technology requires money - money in which these practices will no longer have to try out new machines in their practices.

What you then get is - Waterdown health care, Rationing system on costly medications - It already happens in our socialist nations all around us with their glorious Universal Health Care systems. You add in govt oversite and incompetence into an already annoying doctor/patient situation that just labors things with more paperwork and then you start to look at disatrous wait times. People avoiding going to a doctor because of those times and essentially a shite system designed to fail so the govt can own a good 1/6 of the economy and no incentive to do better.

Healthcare is not a guaranteed right when you are born. You pathetic loons just happen to live in a country that is so well off because of capitalism that we do a pretty good job of guaranteeing almost all Americans can get healthcare when needed thanks to our taxpayers and good old American dollar - Specifically our children. There are a lot of countries in the world where that kind of care is a pipe dream. Consider yourself blessed you ungrateful mongoloids.






deeprig9
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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That I am neither of the two. But of course anyone to the left of you is just a dirty socialist or commie like all those socialist countries like Australia, England, and Denmark


Advocating for socialized medicine kinda sorta makes you a socialist.


Prettyboy Floyd
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Member since Dec 2013
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
Bernie

Comrade Bernie - He's a communist. There is no sugar coating it.


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RedFive
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
No I heard/saw it. I just don’t agree. England has free healthcare and let’s take a long look at their teeth.


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dawgfan24348
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Member since Oct 2011
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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Advocating for socialized medicine kinda sorta makes you a socialist

By that logic advocating for the police, fire department, or any kind of social program makes you a socialist.

Luckily that kind of logic is asinine and you should be able to under what a mixed economy is


dawgfan24348
Atlanta Braves Fan
Cumming, Georgia
Member since Oct 2011
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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What you then get is - Waterdown health care, Rationing system on costly medications - It already happens in our socialist nations all around us with their glorious Universal Health Care systems. You add in govt oversite and incompetence into an already annoying doctor/patient situation that just labors things with more paperwork and then you start to look at disatrous wait times. People avoiding going to a doctor because of those times and essentially a shite system designed to fail so the govt can own a good 1/6 of the economy and no incentive to do better.


That's some damn fine propaganda you got there.


Prettyboy Floyd
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Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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That's some damn fine propaganda you got there.


I don't need propaganda to push my ideology or to lie about facts.

That would be you

Are you saying rationing care doesn't happen in socialist systems?

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Public systems generally ration care on the basis of a patient’s need, for example by covering priority cost-effective treatments, and through the use of waiting lists. Patients may also be asked to make a co-payment.


World_Health_Organization_On_rationing


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It is critical that the entitlements defined in a benefit package are delivered effectively within the fiscal constraints facing governments. A large mismatch between what is promised and what is delivered can seriously undermine a government's credibility in the health sector, and limit progress towards UHC. In such cases, rationing will start to occur implicitly, for example through increased unofficial payments, or poor quality of care due to a lack of medicines. Ensuring adequate revenues, minimal fragmentation in pooling arrangements, and effective purchasing mechanisms are all critical to ensuring that coverage is effective and the health system makes progress towards UHC.



Don't let facts get in the way of your propaganda
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deeprig9
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
By that logic, petting a dog and scratching his belly is beastiality. You are a clown.


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SneakyWaff1es
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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By that logic advocating for the police, fire department, or any kind of social program makes you a socialist.
I get it. You're retarded but your mother wasn't clear enough when she told you that you were special. I'm sorry I argued with you.


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frogtown
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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Advocating for socialized medicine kinda sorta makes you a socialist

By that logic advocating for the police, fire department, or any kind of social program makes you a socialist.

Luckily that kind of logic is asinine and you should be able to under what a mixed economy is




Police, fire department, national defense etc are considered public goods.

One of the determinants of socialism is that it must entail the public provision of non-public goods(like healthcare).

So you can advocate(your word) for the police and fire department and not be advocating socialism because they are public goods.

But advocating for universal healthcare, a non public good, probably does make you a socialist.

Just try thinking this through my friend.

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dawgfan24348
Atlanta Braves Fan
Cumming, Georgia
Member since Oct 2011
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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don't need propaganda to push my ideology or to lie about

Sounds like you do
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Public systems generally ration care on the basis of a patient’s need, for example by covering priority cost-effective treatments, and through the use of waiting lists. 

So in other words when this actually happens those with the most critical need are put on top of the list

From the link you posted
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The private sector rations access by charging market prices to patients, with demand driven by a person's ability and willingness to pay

So if you can't pay you're fricked and by fricked I mean you're either getting no treatment or getting treatment and going broke

So as it turns out rationing actually does occur here as well

LINK

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there are 30.4 million uninsured people in the U.S. Not having affordable, comprehensive insurance coverage often means that sick Americans do not even get in the door to see a doctor. For those who do have coverage, new rules that allow states to circumvent the Affordable Care Act’s mandated essential health benefits may mean skimpy coverage for some.


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While Americans overall enjoy shorter wait times for specialty care, wait times for same- or next-day appointments when sick are around average compared to other countries. U.S. adults are among the most frequent users of emergency departments. Nearly half who do report doing so because they couldn’t get an appointment with their regular doctor.

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nearly one of five U.S. adults skip doses or do not fill a prescription because of costs, just 2 percent to 9 percent of patients do so in the other countries discussed here.


dawgfan24348
Atlanta Braves Fan
Cumming, Georgia
Member since Oct 2011
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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But advocating for universal healthcare, a non public good, probably does make you a socialist.

Those are some sweet mental gymnastics you got there


Prettyboy Floyd
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Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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Public systems generally ration care on the basis of a patient’s need, for example by covering priority cost-effective treatments, and through the use of waiting lists.


Generally speaking



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So if you can't pay you're fricked and by fricked I mean you're either getting no treatment or getting treatment and going broke


I mean, if your an adult and can't afford healthcare then one should likely look to find gainful employment. No such thing as a free ride and again. HEALTHCARE IS NOT A frickING RIGHT. The tax payer is already burdened with emergency room visits from non insured and your frivolous lawsuits. In order for healthcare to be a RIGHT - you force a doctor to become subservient. Meaning, the quality of care will diminish day 1. Period


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there are 30.4 million uninsured people in the U.S. Not having affordable, comprehensive insurance coverage often means that sick Americans do not even get in the door to see a doctor. For those who do have coverage, new rules that allow states to circumvent the Affordable Care Act’s mandated essential health benefits may mean skimpy coverage for some.


Any American can walk into any emergency room in America and receive care. Stop peddling lies from shite articles.

Know your rights

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While Americans overall enjoy shorter wait times for specialty care, wait times for same- or next-day appointments when sick are around average compared to other countries. U.S. adults are among the most frequent users of emergency departments. Nearly half who do report doing so because they couldn’t get an appointment with their regular doctor.


Specialty care is kinda important is it not. Do you want to be on a 6month waiting list to see your gastro docter when your shitting blood.

Didn't think so

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nearly one of five U.S. adults skip doses or do not fill a prescription because of costs, just 2 percent to 9 percent of patients do so in the other countries discussed here.


Now tell us what the tax rates in those countries are compared to American tax rates


And liberals like yourself can deny it until your blue in the face but if your care/age/cost go to a board review and the outlook isn't good - good luck getting that life saving treatment attempt in a socialized country. You'll be looking at Brazil for that care.
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Prettyboy Floyd
Clemson Fan
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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Those are some sweet mental gymnastics you got there


Kinda like changing Trumps quote to make it more nefarious.


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dawgfan24348
Atlanta Braves Fan
Cumming, Georgia
Member since Oct 2011
38998 posts

re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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mean, if your an adult and can't afford healthcare then one should likely look to find gainful employment. No such thing as a free ride a

This one statement shoes your grasp of how hard it can be for people to find stable jobs with a hood insurance program. It's not a free ride it's called not letting people go broke but frick those people right?
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Meaning, the quality of care will diminish day 1. Period


More propaganda from Floyd you're really good with this stuff
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Any American can walk into any emergency room in America and receive care. Stop peddling lies from shite articles.

I'm not pedaling lies if you'd actually think about that statement for more then a second you'd realize that Americans who can't afford are likely to not even go into the doctor's office because putting food on the table is more important to them
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Do you want to be on a 6month waiting list to see your gastro docter when your shitting blood.

More propaganda, there can be long wait times in any country even the US and while they maybe more frequent in say Canada the amount of those really long wait especially for serious concerns are pretty low
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Now tell us what the tax rates in those countries are compared to American tax rates

How about you actually look through this thread about the cost of M4A I've posted it before. Nah you won't do that instead I'll do it for you

According to this article which tries to be sensationalist the cost of M4A would be
$34 trillion over 10 years. Keep in mind that even conservative think tanks have roughly the same estimate $34-$38 trillion over a decade

LINK /

Now that all sounds like a lot expect when you compare to our current system which cost us $3.65 trillion in 2018. Which that of course would pan out to be $36 trillion over ten years.

LINK /

As it turns out M4A should cost roughly the same as our current system or even less.


deeprig9
Member since Sep 2012
40028 posts

re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
So we have to add the existing 3.6 T to the proposed 3.8 T right?


dawgfan24348
Atlanta Braves Fan
Cumming, Georgia
Member since Oct 2011
38998 posts

re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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So we have to add the existing 3.6 T to the proposed 3.8 T right?

Pretty sure we'd be getting rid of one system and replacing it


deeprig9
Member since Sep 2012
40028 posts

re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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Pretty sure we'd be getting rid of one system and replacing it


Are ya pretty sure, or sure sure? This is kinda a big one.


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