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RedFive
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Ringgold Ga
Member since Apr 2015
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re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
I don’t want to pay your medical bills. So no. Besides, if you wanted free healthcare so bad you could have joined the military and upon retirement you would have got it.


dawgfan24348
Georgia Fan
Dahlonega, GA
Member since Oct 2011
43097 posts

re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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don’t want to pay your medical bills

You don't understand how universal healthcare works. But sure have fun paying thousands for an x-ray all because you're scared of your taxes going towards saving people instead of arresting people for pot or proxy wars


frogtown
Georgia Fan
Member since Aug 2017
924 posts

re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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Also wanting universal healthcare which every other first world country has some form of is not radical



Question for you. As you dawgfan24348 are a supporter of universal healthcare, what is your number? Meaning how much of a federal tax increase per month are you willing to pay in order to get universal care. Are you willing to pay an extra $1000 in taxes per month or $500 per month or $100 or $0.

Reason I ask is I have talked to many people like yourself. They all believe rich people and "so called" rich corporations will be paying for their universal care and their share of the costs will be close to $0. In other words it will be free.

Just for inquiring minds what do you yourself expect to pay? What is your number?



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RedFive
Georgia Fan
Ringgold Ga
Member since Apr 2015
2160 posts

re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
I’m retired military sir, I don’t pay medical bills. You had the same option as well. Why do some many Canadians come to the states for healthcare if socialized medicine is so great?


dawgfan24348
Georgia Fan
Dahlonega, GA
Member since Oct 2011
43097 posts

re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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I’m retired military sir, I don’t pay medical bills. You had the same option as well.

Many people dont have that option and you shouldn't have to make that choice.
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do some many Canadians come to the states for healthcare if socialized medicine is so great?

Because if you can afford it American healthcare is great the problem isn't the quality it's the cost. People avoiding the doctor's because they simply can't afford is a major problem


dawgfan24348
Georgia Fan
Dahlonega, GA
Member since Oct 2011
43097 posts

re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
Well for one the cost of M4A is not all that much higher than our current system. If we focus our taxes more on healthcare and not throwing people in jail for possession and stop spending hundreds of billions on regime change wars our tax increases won't be much if at all for some.

My overall point is that we cannot continue to have a system that bankrupts people simply because they got sick. Outside of the US medical bankruptcy is pretty much unheard of, that right there should show you how broken our system is.

Here's a year old article showing that 66% of all bankruptcies were due to medical issues
LINK
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frogtown
Georgia Fan
Member since Aug 2017
924 posts

re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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Well for one the cost of M4A is not all that much higher than our current system. If we focus our taxes more on healthcare and not throwing people in jail for possession and stop spending hundreds of billions on regime change wars our tax increases won't be much if at all for some.

My overall point is that we cannot continue to have a system that bankrupts people simply because they got sick. Outside of the US medical bankruptcy is pretty much unheard of, that right there should show you how broken our system is.




That is not an answer. Tell me how much more per month are you willing to pay to make universal healthcare a reality. What is your "skin in the game"?


dawgfan24348
Georgia Fan
Dahlonega, GA
Member since Oct 2011
43097 posts

re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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That is not an answer.

It certainly is an answer, M4A is a legit plan for universal healthcare that has been looked over by a large number of people all coming out to basically the same number which isn't much higher than our system we have now.

You're ignoring an actual solution for some stupid gotcha


frogtown
Georgia Fan
Member since Aug 2017
924 posts

re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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It certainly is an answer, M4A is a legit plan for universal healthcare that has been looked over by a large number of people all coming out to basically the same number which isn't much higher than our system we have now.



frick your non answer. I just want to know if you are willing to pay your "fair share" of the costs or you wanting someone else to pay for you. Simple enough. Not a hard question. No reason to deflect.


dawgfan24348
Georgia Fan
Dahlonega, GA
Member since Oct 2011
43097 posts

re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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you are willing to pay your "fair share" of the cost

Considering I pay my taxes I think the answer is obvious.
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you wanting someone else to pay for you.

My taxes would go to healthcare just like everyone else's your logic is broken


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deeprig9
Georgia Fan
Member since Sep 2012
44200 posts

re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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It certainly is an answer, M4A is a legit plan for universal healthcare that has been looked over by a large number of people all coming out to basically the same number which isn't much higher than our system we have now.

You're ignoring an actual solution for some stupid gotcha


I'm game. Post the plan. I want to read the details. I want to throw out everything I think I know about something that I really don't know much about in the first place. Please post the plan and I promise to read it and contemplate it with unbiased fresh eyes and an open mind. All you have to do is post it. That's all I ask. I won't ask you to defend it. I won't ask you to clarify it. All I want is for you to post The Plan.

Thanks in advance.


RedFive
Georgia Fan
Ringgold Ga
Member since Apr 2015
2160 posts

re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
Have to? It was an honor to serve my country and I received benefits for doing so. You view it as a burden as where the majority of the country views it as an honor.


dawgfan24348
Georgia Fan
Dahlonega, GA
Member since Oct 2011
43097 posts

re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
Obviously not a estimates are the same but for M4A it's usally between $32 to $35 trillion over 10 years which equals out to $3.2 trillion to $3.5 trillion per year.

Now here's an article that tries to be a tad sensationalist with regards to M4A. It tries to act like M4A being $3.4 trillion per year is just insane

LINK /

However in 2018 we spent $3.65 trillion on healthcare so in other words we'd spend $36.5 trillion in ten years

LINK /

Here's some more studies saying that M4A would save us money

LINK

Here's a small breakdown of Bernie's plan

LINK /


Also you can calculate how much you would spend under Bernie's plan

LINK /

Again there a lot of different studies that say different things however the overwhelming majority say we'd pay around $32 trillion to $36 trillion a year, so even if M4A did cost more than our current plan it wouldn't be by much. Even so I'd gladly pay slightly higher taxes if it meant I didn't have to worry about medical bankruptcy

Speaking of which, 66% of all bankruptcies are medical.
LINK

Meanwhile in other countries the idea of medical bankruptcy is practically unheard of


dawgfan24348
Georgia Fan
Dahlonega, GA
Member since Oct 2011
43097 posts

re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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You view it as a burden

I do not view it as a burden, my family is full of veterans. I wish I could join but I cannot unfortunately. However my point is that someone shouldn't have to join the military just to get free healthcare

Also I'd like to point out the irony in someone who gets free healthcare telling other people that they dont deserve it


RedFive
Georgia Fan
Ringgold Ga
Member since Apr 2015
2160 posts

re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
I earned you twat. Earned it. Seems there is always a reason why people like you couldn’t serve.
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deeprig9
Georgia Fan
Member since Sep 2012
44200 posts

re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
THat's alot of links without telling me what exactly it is.

Give me 4,5,9 bullet points. In your own words.

Just so you know, I come from a position of our healthcare system being broken, as you said earlier, quality good, cost ridiculous. I'm not trying to set up a gotcha.


dawgfan24348
Georgia Fan
Dahlonega, GA
Member since Oct 2011
43097 posts

re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
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Even the Mercatus Center, a right-wing think tank, recently found about $2 trillion in net savings over 10 years from a single-payer Medicare for All system. Most importantly, everyone in America would have high-quality health care coverage.

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Administrative savings from Medicare for All would be about $600 billion a year. Savings on prescription drugs would be between $200 billion and $300 billion a year, if we paid about the same price as other wealthy countries pay for their drugs. A Medicare for All system would save still more with implementation of global health care spending budgets.

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Under both Sen. Bernie Sanders's (I-Vt.) Medicare for All bill and Rep. Pramila Jayapal's (D-Wash.) Medicare for All bill, patients would not pay deductibles or coinsurance when they receive medical care. Their bills also provide for vision, hearing and dental care, as well as long-term services and supports, such as home care and nursing home care.

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The government already pays for about two-thirds of health care costs. Among other things, it pays for Medicare, Medicaid, VA, TriCare and a wide range of state and local health care programs, along with private insurance for government employees and tax subsidies for private insurance.


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Allow Medicare to negotiate with the big drug companies to lower prescription drug prices with the Medicare Drug Price Negotiation Act.

Allow patients, pharmacists, and wholesalers to buy low-cost prescription drugs from Canada and other industrialized countries with the Affordable and Safe Prescription Drug Importation Act.

Cut prescription drug prices in half, with the Prescription Drug Price Relief Act, by pegging prices to the median drug price in five major countries: Canada, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, and Japan.




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Additionally, a report from the World Health Organization also cites research that “within the United Kingdom, sickness or disability accounted for 5% of households in financial difficulties


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Whiznot
Georgia Fan
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
6322 posts

re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time


SneakyWaff1es
Georgia Fan
Member since Nov 2012
3390 posts

re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
What do you do for a living? I'm just curious as to what services I should bitch about having to pay for. I mean all of those doctors, nurses, techs, and every other ancillary staff member in Healthcare have gone through school or training or some sort. Some of it very rigorous and expensive. If you think they deserve less than they make to do it, then I think whatever you do should also be free so you can take a huge pay cut.




RedFive
Georgia Fan
Ringgold Ga
Member since Apr 2015
2160 posts

re: Identity Politics are being used to divide this Country like no other time
Money over quality huh? We have by far the best healthcare in the world. But hey, let’s save some money.


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