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re: GHSA State Championships
Posted on 12/11/18 at 7:39 pm to Cobb Dawg
Posted on 12/11/18 at 7:39 pm to Cobb Dawg
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What’s the deal with Colquitt Co.? I know there’s only one HS in the county, but how do they make it every year? Is there some “recruiting” going on?
Propst runs that program like a college program … and that's no joke. I'm friends with Dextra Polite who is the strength & conditioning coach at Colquitt. The dude is a lot like Scott Cochran as far as intensity and drive. During Fall Camp … Propst has those kids out on the practice field at 5:30 in the fricking morning grinding away. I guess you could say they are like a high school version of Alabama.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 7:43 pm to BranchDawg
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Idk, but I've never heard of a PF not being an automatic first down.
There was a situation during a Dublin game earlier this year where Dublin was punting on 4th and longer than 15 and Dublin's punter was roughed. Dublin declined the penalty because the 15 yards did not result in a first down and the punt was downed inside the 10.
Having said that, high school referees are far from perfect and that could've been an officiating error.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 7:45 pm to GaBassFisher92
Lee-Northside might not get with until after midnight if this keeps up.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 7:49 pm to GaBassFisher92
What a damn football game
Posted on 12/11/18 at 8:23 pm to BranchDawg
Where did GPB find the dollar store Maria Taylor?
Posted on 12/11/18 at 8:24 pm to BranchDawg
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Some all-time stupidity from the WR coach declining that penalty. Wow.
I would imagine that the officials told him wrong if that's the case.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 8:27 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
I don’t think there was enough time for an explanation. I appeared the WR coach declined the penalty for the field goal before anyone could talk to him. The assistant coaches face was very telling.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 8:28 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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I would imagine that the officials told him wrong if that's the case.
Looks to be the case.
From a Macon Telegraph reporter,
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@JBJournalism21 2m2 minutes ago Hearing that the refs said that the roughing the kicker would not have been an automatic first down in the Warner Robins game.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 8:35 pm to GaBassFisher92
And there it is. He probably should have argued it more.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:32 pm to GaBassFisher92
There is no automatic first down on a personal foul. First down only occurs if the penalty yardage added results gaining a first down. Stupid rule and it leaves kids open to injury but that’s the rule.
Also, it is intentional grounding the throw the ball away with no receiver in the area. So, say the QB has scrambled out of the pocket and is about to get sacked. He cannot throw the ball beyond the sticks and into the stands without a receiver close to the area and without a penalty.
Also, it is intentional grounding the throw the ball away with no receiver in the area. So, say the QB has scrambled out of the pocket and is about to get sacked. He cannot throw the ball beyond the sticks and into the stands without a receiver close to the area and without a penalty.
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:32 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
FWIW...I talked to a GHSA official and he said the correct call was made. White hat called “Personal foul, roughing the kicker”. If penalty would’ve been accepted, it would have been first down inside the five yard line.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:40 pm to DoubleDawg22
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There is no automatic first down on a personal could.
Incorrect. LINK
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Under National Federation of High School Association rules (which Ohio high schools use), the only defensive penalties that carry an automatic first down are roughing the passer and roughing the kicker/holder.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 9:53 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
The GHSA defines the rules based on the NFHS rules and each officiating association interprets the rules on their own.
This explains the inconsistency in the rules across teams that play are are officiated by different associations including the playoffs.
In the State if Georgia, a personal foul does not result in a first down unless the yardage gained ends in a first down.
Look, defenses should totally take advantage of this rule and just totally destroy kickers when kicking inside of goal to go situations becaus the rule doesn’t provide a first down but this is what how the GHSA works.
This explains the inconsistency in the rules across teams that play are are officiated by different associations including the playoffs.
In the State if Georgia, a personal foul does not result in a first down unless the yardage gained ends in a first down.
Look, defenses should totally take advantage of this rule and just totally destroy kickers when kicking inside of goal to go situations becaus the rule doesn’t provide a first down but this is what how the GHSA works.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:00 pm to DoubleDawg22
I’m relaying information from a GHSA official. He says the call was correct and would have resulted in a first down. He’s been calling games for years and is the white hat of his crew.
And yes, each region has their own organization but they all use the same rule book. We’ve talked calls over the years and he’s about as knowledge as anyone I’ve ever met when it comes to GHSA.
I still think the coach was caught up in the moment and made a decision before he realized what he’d done.
And yes, each region has their own organization but they all use the same rule book. We’ve talked calls over the years and he’s about as knowledge as anyone I’ve ever met when it comes to GHSA.
I still think the coach was caught up in the moment and made a decision before he realized what he’d done.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:23 pm to ugastreaker
Let me explain this again...but maybe ina different way to be more clear. Each organization uses the same rule book but each organization interprets the rules passed on by the GHSA differently. For example, what we would all call a false start, Etowah Valley calls it an illegal procedure/Illegal Motion. I know this is completely retarded and makes no sense. I’ve argued with officials and the associations for years over this yet this is how it is.
One more time, in the GHSA a personal foul is only counted as a first down if the penalty yardage gained results in a first down. If it does not the the down remains as played.
One more time, in the GHSA a personal foul is only counted as a first down if the penalty yardage gained results in a first down. If it does not the the down remains as played.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 10:39 pm to DoubleDawg22
I got what you were saying but it doesn’t make any sense. If the play results in a score then it’s just a replay of down? That doesn’t make any sense.
The official I talked to said “There are three automatic first downs in high school football in GHSA: 1-roughing the passer 2-roughing the kicker 3-roughing the kicker”.
But I will ask in the morning for further explanation. He’s been calling games for 20 years and I’m not talking about different language for violations. GHSA rules are pretty clear. GHSA officiating organizations are very different.
The official I talked to said “There are three automatic first downs in high school football in GHSA: 1-roughing the passer 2-roughing the kicker 3-roughing the kicker”.
But I will ask in the morning for further explanation. He’s been calling games for 20 years and I’m not talking about different language for violations. GHSA rules are pretty clear. GHSA officiating organizations are very different.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:16 pm to ugastreaker
I know...it never gets called. I was once told that once a kickers foot reaches the ground he is no longer in a kicking posture therefore he can’t be roughed or ran into. This was totally incorrect because Once he has kicked the ball he is established as a kicker unless he is attempting to run down a ball carrier or attempting to tackle the ball carrier.
Thus I began to teach my kids to hit the kicker after his foot hit the ground. Coaches are at the mercy of the rules of the game as they are being called. NFHS rules do say roughing the kicker or passer is supposed to be a first down. However, that doesn’t happen in Georgia for whatever reason.
I totally disagree with everything that I’ve explained here but the GHSA does a poor job of governing high school football and there are many discrepancies. The rules should be designed to maintain player safety first but this is not the case.
Thus I began to teach my kids to hit the kicker after his foot hit the ground. Coaches are at the mercy of the rules of the game as they are being called. NFHS rules do say roughing the kicker or passer is supposed to be a first down. However, that doesn’t happen in Georgia for whatever reason.
I totally disagree with everything that I’ve explained here but the GHSA does a poor job of governing high school football and there are many discrepancies. The rules should be designed to maintain player safety first but this is not the case.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:38 pm to DoubleDawg22
Supposedly someone that was close to the conversation between the coaches and officials claims that the officials told the WR Coach that in OT this isn’t a first down. The officiating crew for the next game was near by and stated this was not even close to correct.
Unfortunately, stuff like this happens in pretty much every GHSA football game across the state. At the Benz tonight they stated there was a great shortage of officials and supposedly they are cracking down on coaches conduct towards officials. This is the exact reason why relations between coaches and Reca are where hey are. The relations of refs, coaches, and fans are exactly why nobody wants to be a ref.
Unfortunately, stuff like this happens in pretty much every GHSA football game across the state. At the Benz tonight they stated there was a great shortage of officials and supposedly they are cracking down on coaches conduct towards officials. This is the exact reason why relations between coaches and Reca are where hey are. The relations of refs, coaches, and fans are exactly why nobody wants to be a ref.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 7:49 am to DoubleDawg22
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the GHSA does a poor job of governing everything
FIFY
Never forget the goals at the basketball championships in that shithole in Macon a few years ago. AND, they're bringing the damn games back there
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