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Posted on 10/31/18 at 3:05 pm to Hobnail
Posted on 10/31/18 at 3:05 pm to Hobnail
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As we have seen time and time and time again that means absolutely nothing. Remember John Emery being "100% committed to the Dawgs" like 2 days before decommitting?
Yet y'all take a tweet from 3 weeks prior saying he is going to take visits as gospel truth that he is leaving?
I tell you what....y'all need to get a sticky thread going so you can tell us which tweets we can believe and which ones we should ignore, then.
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Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:47 am to DawgsLife
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It doesn't do any good, because you don't understand the game fully.
Take your sanctimonious bullsh*t and stick it. You hold yourself out as some holier than thou expert and really you’re just an idiot. You know no more than anyone else here. You’re argument sucks and amounts to nothing more than “I know more than you.”
Posted on 11/1/18 at 8:31 am to HTDawg
And you're still a shitty poster!!! 
Posted on 11/1/18 at 10:47 am to Dawginthewoods
Stop making sense.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 11:10 am to HTDawg
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Take your sanctimonious bullsh*t and stick it. You hold yourself out as some holier than thou expert and really you’re just an idiot. You know no more than anyone else here. You’re argument sucks and amounts to nothing more than “I know more than you.”
Posted on 11/1/18 at 12:22 pm to HTDawg
that's rich coming from you
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:27 pm to DawgsLife
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THIS is why I keep asking you in you've ever played! You don't understand the dynamics of a team.
Still at this? It is pathetic see you reduced to “how good were you in high school” flames, especially without telling us how awesome you were. These flames wreak of desperation, and they really do lack relevance to any points I am making, but Since you are so obsessed with that, tell us your credentials.
- What team did you play for in high school, college, and pro?
- When did you play?
- What position did you play?
- What were your stats?
- List your post season accolades.
- List your scholarship offers.
- List your contract offers.
Just a wild guess: you played in a small ga town in the era before integration happened in the sec, which involved little passing and watered down Competion, and you received zero major college offers. What glory days those were.
This post was edited on 11/1/18 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:32 pm to djsdawg
not to just completely ignore DJ here, but do we have any former players from UGA on our boards?
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:39 pm to BigDaddyDawg
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not to just completely ignore DJ here, but do we have any former players from UGA on our boards?
Pretty sure there are a couple... we can only operate on what people have said obviously, but pretty sure Peter and ITDawg may have been players IIRC? Not sure if any others.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:50 pm to fibonaccisquared
I think the former player thing can be so overrated.
Not that some guys don’t understand the game at a level I’ll never understand, because they do. But there are also people who played the game who have next to no clue what they’re talking about. Or they’re stuck in football from the days they played.
Mike Leach completely changed the way college football is played and he didn’t play.
Different sport, but Charles Barkley said the Warriors would never win a title because they’re a jump shooting team.
Not that some guys don’t understand the game at a level I’ll never understand, because they do. But there are also people who played the game who have next to no clue what they’re talking about. Or they’re stuck in football from the days they played.
Mike Leach completely changed the way college football is played and he didn’t play.
Different sport, but Charles Barkley said the Warriors would never win a title because they’re a jump shooting team.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:55 pm to Dawgsontop34
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I think the former player thing can be so overrated.
100% agree. Was just answering the question, that to my knowledge we do have a few former players who post.
There is also an element of not every player is an expert on every position. If you played OL, you probably know frick all about what it takes to be a good DB or WR, and vice versa.
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Mike Leach completely changed the way college football is played and he didn’t play.
I fricking love Mike Leach... Glad Tennessee didn't hire him... Not because I think he'd have taken them to the top of the league, but because it would be one of those pain in the arse yearly matchups to prepare for... polar opposite of Ga Tech today.
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Different sport, but Charles Barkley said the Warriors would never win a title because they’re a jump shooting team.
Indeed. Evolution of the game. Charles Barkley came from an era when jump shooting *wouldn't* win a title... The longer you are removed from playing, the harder it is to admit that the game has passed you/evolved. Also, Charles Barkley went to Auburn, so his judgement is questionable.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 2:01 pm to fibonaccisquared
Sorry, I should have clarified my comment was necessarily directed at you. Was just continuing the discussion on that subject. Agree with everything you said in response as well.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 2:05 pm to Dawgsontop34
quote:As someone who never played a down of football outside of a few games with friends on Thanksgiving, I can attest to this. Success is determined by results, not by experience alone. Sometimes (like with Hillary Clinton), the experience a person has can be bad or limited and therefore not helpful to a discussion.
I think the former player thing can be so overrated.
The reason more credibility is given to former players is because they tend to have lived and breathed football for at least a short period of time in their lives and they tend to have insights that most fans don't.
With that said, football is a sport that can be conceptually understood. It has rules and there are strategies that can be understood to work better than others in certain situations. Within those rules and strategies, there are qualities and skill sets for players and coaches that can be determined to be more or less desirable to achieve the goal of winning games. These can be understood and applied without having played football at all.
The arguments here are what I see as fundamental misunderstandings of how football is played and what those desirable skill sets and qualities are for how coaches and players succeed in their roles, especially regarding the quarterback position. There is a lot of complexity to the game that is being ignored by certain people here and that can happen regardless of experience playing the game.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 4:32 pm to DawgsLife
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But you don't have a great grasp of the inside dynamics.
I bet you would fail miserably trying to explain this in more detail.
This post was edited on 11/1/18 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 11/1/18 at 4:40 pm to HTDawg
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You hold yourself out as some holier than thou expert
I'm pretty sure you don't understand what this means, either.
quote:This very well could be true. Bit this idiot knows more about football than you do.....and I can promise you that.
really you’re just an idiot
quote:Except you and djs. Other than that I haven't claimed otherwise.
You know no more than anyone else here.
This post was edited on 11/1/18 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 11/1/18 at 5:07 pm to djsdawg
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Still at this? It is pathetic see you reduced to “how good were you in high school” flames, especially without telling us how awesome you were. These flames wreak of desperation, and they really do lack relevance to any points I am making, but Since you are so obsessed with that, tell us your credentials.
So you refuse to answer my one and only question, yet you want me to answer all of yours?
Show me where I have flamed anybody...then show me where I ever claimed to be great? You like to argue about how bad players are (Catalina, Fromm for instance) yet the slightest criticism about your knowledge and you get your feelings hurt?
I played for two different high schools and one college. I played against and with several NFL players, one of which was Ray Donaldson. I played wide receiver and safety in high school and safety in college.
Stats? Didn't keep up with them. Sorry. I'm sure they were posted in programs, but I never really cared about them. I knew I wasn't good enough to play in the NFL, so I really didn't care what they were.
Scholarship offers? A few. Enough. It only took one. I knew where I wanted to go and went.
Post season accolades? Seriously?
As I said...did not play in the NFL. Did not get an offer and was not drafted.
I'm not telling you where I played.
I answered almost all of your questions...now it's your turn.
quote:Your guesses are almost as good as your opinions on Fromm/Fields.
Just a wild guess: you played in a small ga town in the era before integration happened in the sec, which involved little passing and watered down Competion, and you received zero major college offers. What glory days those were.
Are you still going to deny you said that Nolan Smith would leave if Fields did, or was my copying and pasting your direct quote enough?
Posted on 11/1/18 at 5:17 pm to Dawgsontop34
quote:IN some areas yes...in some areas no. A former player that has played recently will understand sets, strategy, mindset etc better than someone that has not played. It has been so long since I played, that there is a lot that recent players would understand that I would not.
I think the former player thing can be so overrated.
However, the mind set and attitude etc players have really hasn't changed a lot, I MIGHT have some advantage there. Understanding the preparation, what players are thinking before and during the game...the affect crowds have, pressure situations and how different people react to those....
However, there are probably things about the modern game that you understand much better than I do. DJS made a semi decent point when he said I might not understand the modern players mind....but I doubt seriously it has changed a whole lot. Mass media and dealing with that has changed....but the way the media is handled really has not. Players today have to be much more careful because they are being watched....and filmed with phones all the time. That's a lot different from when I played.
I've seen some people on here that say they played very little that have a great grasp of the game and mechanics.
But if somebody wants to tell me that Fields won't be here next year, and if he leaves Nolan Smith will sign elsewhere, and state that as a fact.....they don't know what they are talking about unless they know those guys on a personal level. (You are one I think has a pretty good to excellent grasp of the game, so any negative remarks are not aimed at you)
Posted on 11/1/18 at 8:54 pm to DawgsLife
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So you refuse to answer my one and only question, yet you want me to answer all of yours?
Its the subject matter that you keep on bringing up, so it only makes sense for you to throw your cards on the table before anyone else.
So you must have been a pretty good player to be able to play in college, but you didnt tell us the level of FB you played, or the years. Based upon your clue, it was in a very different era of football, which I guessed correctly. Maybe it was the mid 70's? I think its safe to assume you didnt have a major offer, as I guessed as well, or else you would have been loud and proud of telling us about it.
If you had major offers from all over the nation, like Nolan, and were a recent college player, you might have a great idea of his mindset. But you didnt and you arent.
Why should I answer an irrelevant question that essentially proves nothing? Just to be nice. I played 4 years of football and did a few years of wrestling, so I do know of the ins and outs of participating in athletic competition, but I never played in college. Instead, I went to almost every UGA FB game while in school at UGA from 00-04.
This post was edited on 11/1/18 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 11/1/18 at 8:57 pm to DawgsLife
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Are you still going to deny you said that Nolan Smith would leave if Fields did
I never said he would leave. I specifically used the word "might". UGA isnt the only school that can get him to the NFL. Bama will be a bigger threat if Fields isnt solid at UGA.
You assumed he doesnt care about who the QB is, but he wouldnt have had 2 articles about him gushing about Fields and the benefits of a dual threat QB if he "couldnt care less" about it. Thats not the kind of stuff a player would lie about. It makes no sense for you to make that claim.
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Your guesses are almost as good as your opinions on Fromm
I dont think we ever finished that LSU discussion. It’s it’s 14-3 early with 2 Fromm TD passes, here is what changes:
- LSU would have struggled to follow through with their run first game plan on offense, perhaps forcing Burrow to throw more than he is capable of.
- The run would have opened up more for uga.
- LSU would have been doubting themselves.
- The stadium would have quieted down.
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You think the only impact a [player has on a team is statistics.
Of course not, but production can be quantified, analyzed, and compared. Intangibles such as leadership can’t be. If you want to prove a point, it helps to have statistics on your side. Focusing on stats in no way proves a lack of understanding of intangibles or dynamics as you claim. Leave it to you to reach that illogical conclusion.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 9:28 pm to FooManChoo
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You don't have to get mad just because you're being challenged.
A “you are mad” flame? Come on. I expected better from you.
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wasn't a great throw but it's one Wimms should have caught. Brown didn't even know where the ball was. He wasn't actively defending the ball. He just sort of got in the way and the ball dropped into his hands for the INT.
As for the play, It wasn’t even a good throw. It was a bad throw. Fromm enabled the db to recover after getting burnt. If it should have been anything, It should have been a td. Those 7 would have come in handy and made fromm’s passer rating much better. In fact, it goes from a 108 to 147, which is much closer to what the 14 QB's who have beaten Bama have done.
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consider that our receivers did not haul in 6 throws that could have been caught totaling 43 additional yards
I am gonna have to see these 6 plays to make sure they were good, accurate passes. You can’t fully blame the wr if the ball isn’t on target and time.
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It's a team game
Of course it is, but Bama is gonna force plays to breakdown. When a pass play breaks down due to poor blocking, or when the run game is controlled, or when the D gives up a score, you want a qb who can overcome those issues and still make positive plays happen. Clutch plays and accurate passes and positive rushing yards, they all matter.
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You seem to be wanting to place all the blame on Fromm
No, thats not the intent. The subject of discussion is how well our QB played, so it makes sense to focus on the QB, and compare him to other QB's vs Bama. Point is, our qb didn’t make enough plays, and teams who beat Bama usually have a QB play better than ours did, which shows up in a box score and play by play review. Its no coincidence.
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