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re: Fromm going pro?
Posted on 1/6/20 at 4:20 pm to DawgsLife
Posted on 1/6/20 at 4:20 pm to DawgsLife
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I hope so. I think we need some changes. I'm not quite like most on here in that I don't necessarily want something drastic, but more innovative plays with more passing would help.
Same here. I understand and appreciate Kirby’s desire to control clock and give the D a rest, but while adhering to that philosophy, we can simply do better.
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Posted on 1/6/20 at 4:35 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
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Same here. I understand and appreciate Kirby’s desire to control clock and give the D a rest, but while adhering to that philosophy, we can simply do better.
Defense doesn't get much rest when you are constantly going 3 and out either. I'm pretty sure the defense would appreciate an offense dropping 40 points more than an offense scoring 24 and putting a ton of pressure on them.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 4:43 pm to Leon S Kennedy
Fromm will be at UGA in 2020. All the speculation is nothing burger click bait. I've said my piece and counted to three.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 5:42 pm to Leon S Kennedy
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Defense doesn't get much rest when you are constantly going 3 and out either. I'm pretty sure the defense would appreciate an offense dropping 40 points more than an offense scoring 24 and putting a ton of pressure on them.
We put up 40 points under Chaney and Bobo. It is less about style in my opinion and more about beating the guy in front of you.
Great NFL offenses get shut down. The scheme might be great. But if you dont whip the man in front of you, then you arent going to whip them on the scoreboard.
Posted on 1/6/20 at 6:42 pm to meansonny
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We put up 40 points under Chaney and Bobo. It is less about style in my opinion and more about beating the guy in front of you.
Great NFL offenses get shut down. The scheme might be great. But if you dont whip the man in front of you, then you arent going to whip them on the scoreboard.
Good luck trying to simply out talent Alabama, Clemson, OSU, LSU etc. It won't happen. LSU finally realized this after wasting a decade. I hope Smart did too.
Our scheme is NOT great and no thinks it is. Just imagine if our offense was as well designed and schemed as our defense. It's like two different teams.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 5:22 am to Leon S Kennedy
Alabama was winning championships when they ran an offense like ours. They began to show cracks when they went to the offense many on here are suggesting.
Maybe it is coincidence. maybe they made a misstep somewhere. But Alabama, with 7 of the last 8 #1 classes looks weaker now than they have in years.
You have to be very, very careful when making changes.
I am not saying we should not make changes. Just saying we should be careful when doing it. LSU made some changes and they are having great success. Was it a result of changing their offense, or was it because of their personnel? I will be curious to see if they have the same success next year. Maybe they will...maybe they won't.
There's a lot of things that go into the success of a team or the failure of a team.
Maybe it is coincidence. maybe they made a misstep somewhere. But Alabama, with 7 of the last 8 #1 classes looks weaker now than they have in years.
You have to be very, very careful when making changes.
I am not saying we should not make changes. Just saying we should be careful when doing it. LSU made some changes and they are having great success. Was it a result of changing their offense, or was it because of their personnel? I will be curious to see if they have the same success next year. Maybe they will...maybe they won't.
There's a lot of things that go into the success of a team or the failure of a team.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 6:06 am to Leon S Kennedy
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Good luck trying to simply out talent Alabama
That's the point about the NFL.
The talented team doesnt always win.
And they are mostly the LSU scheme.
People look to LSU as if that's all it takes. It isnt. They have a 23 year old QB running it (older than Sam Darnaud who has 2 years in the nfl already). They have elite wide receivers and a do everything tailback. And they still have had games along the way where the offense struggled.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 6:07 am to DawgsLife
We could add elements of that Brady offense though. He has a wrinkle he's added where the WR reads the coverage/leverage and adjusts his route accordingly. Murf Baldwin at Top Billin on YouTube does a great job breaking it down. He shows a unique initial route approach Brady implemented Murf has nicknamed "skip to my loo". The WR literally skips lazily towards the CB reading what leverage he's going to take then either bends the route to the side or to the middle. Gives Burrow an easy 5-10yd outlet and he has elite WRs who can get great YAC.
It's deadly and could be adopted easily.
It's deadly and could be adopted easily.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 6:19 am to Brick67
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We could add elements of that Brady offense though.
Absolutely! And that is what I would like to see. i think we are on the same page.
LSU went out and got the players then changed the scheme, not the other way around. Burrow was a perfect fit for their offense, as were their WRs.
quote:We actually do, too, as do most teams. our problem this year, was Fromm was reading it differently than our freshmen WRs. Thsi has been Foo Man Choo's main point. Some of the wildly missed throws were due to WRs misreading coverages. They don't do the skip to my loo, (I don't think) but they do read coverage and how/where (Where as in on inside shoulder or outside of WR and how far off the WR the DB lines up) the DBs line up.
He has a wrinkle he's added where the WR reads the coverage/leverage and adjusts his route accordingly.
But yes, there are a lot of Brady's offense thta we coud adopt and adapt....and should. The skip-to-my-loo thing sounds like a move to force the DB into tipping his hand on how he is playing the WR so the WR can then adjust his route. Our guys just didn't have the experience to do that, or didn't understand how to do it.
Granted some of them were Fromm's just not being as accurate.
Sorry. I am always way too wordy. I'm trying to cut down, but I have been trying for a couple of years, soooo...
Posted on 1/7/20 at 6:29 am to DawgsLife
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They don't do the skip to my loo, (I don't think) but they do read coverage
1:25 mark Murf explains "skip"
I can see how this technique could definitely get the CB to tip his hand and a clever WR could exploit it. Seems a little more backyard ball than a deliberate route off the jump but I can see how it can be high percentage low risk big chunk yards through the air alone. Get a WR who can make the first guy miss and you've got a huge threat that opens up the run.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 9:01 am to Brick67
How many more points would UGA have scored if they had to score in the last 5 minutes of the game? Hell, the 4th quarter... we played it especially safe in a lot of games in the 4th. I think we certainly would have scored more points if it was needed. Fromm, when asked to run the 2 minute offense came through typically. Though, other than USC when he brought them down and scored at the end, most were at half time where we got an extra 3 or 7. It hurts offensive stats to play conservative in the 4th and chew clock, but with a great defense, I think Smart felt stealing time off the clock and not turning the ball over was the best strategy. It is a proven strategy, but we saw some of the down sides to it this year. I say that knowing we went 12-2 and won a lot of big games against top 15 teams, so...
Posted on 1/7/20 at 10:04 am to Peter Buck
I don't put too much into offensive stats. We are never going to be the type that keeps pouring it on teams, we run our ooc games like a scrimmage and okay deep into the bench and our lessor sec games that we lead, we run the heck out of the ball.
Imagine leaving fromm in for 4qtrs vs Murray State, we could literally score 100 points. Imagine not trying to literally run the clock vs Vandy or Missouri...
Stats lie in this since. They pretend you did all you could do when that is not true.
Every offensive scheme will work if players make plays, that did not happen this year. It did happen in 2017...
Whoever our QB is for 2020, needs to implement the 10,000 catch rule this summer like LSU and get synced up with these WRs.
Imagine leaving fromm in for 4qtrs vs Murray State, we could literally score 100 points. Imagine not trying to literally run the clock vs Vandy or Missouri...
Stats lie in this since. They pretend you did all you could do when that is not true.
Every offensive scheme will work if players make plays, that did not happen this year. It did happen in 2017...
Whoever our QB is for 2020, needs to implement the 10,000 catch rule this summer like LSU and get synced up with these WRs.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 8:43 am to lewis and herschel
Why is Fromm's Decision taking so long?
Seems like he would have all the information he needs to make it>
Seems like he would have all the information he needs to make it>
Posted on 1/8/20 at 8:53 am to Peter Buck
Seems like almost EVERY time we went into a hurry offense or two minute drill someone on the opposing defense would flop and kill our momentum.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 9:25 am to Sandwich
Biggest decision he’s probably made to date so there’s no reason to rush it
Posted on 1/8/20 at 9:44 am to Damn Good Dawg
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Biggest decision he’s probably made to date so there’s no reason to rush it
It's a big decision and I don't mind that he is one of the last "big names" to decide.
But MFer better pick by the weekend.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 10:00 am to Damn Good Dawg
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there’s no reason to rush it
I disagree as we need to get a Portal QB asap if he is leaving.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 10:13 am to Sandwich
Hey I’m with you fellers, I wanna know. But I can’t fault Jake for waiting.
As for grad transfers, I imagine that Kirby is aware of the current state and has plans. It’s already been mentioned by rivals folks that Costello will come to UGA if Fromm leaves and Todd Blackeledge already said UGA had a grad transfer coming.
I also don’t think Jake would do anything to hurt Georgia and if Kirby told Jake that he needed an answer I imagine he’d do that and Fromm would oblige.
As for grad transfers, I imagine that Kirby is aware of the current state and has plans. It’s already been mentioned by rivals folks that Costello will come to UGA if Fromm leaves and Todd Blackeledge already said UGA had a grad transfer coming.
I also don’t think Jake would do anything to hurt Georgia and if Kirby told Jake that he needed an answer I imagine he’d do that and Fromm would oblige.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 10:20 am to Damn Good Dawg
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Biggest decision he’s probably made to date so there’s no reason to rush it
From his perspective that's true. From UGA footballl's perspective, it would have probably been better if Fromm had strong conviction one way or the other. If he's that conflicted about spending another year at UGA, even in light of the mediocre season he just had and his dropping draft stock, maybe he doesn't want to be here. Either way, I hope he decides ASAP so UGA can move forward with our 2020 needs.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 10:20 am to Damn Good Dawg
Austin Kirksey--Graduate QB from Nevada is already listed as a commit to Dawgs on Commitments page of 247.
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