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IT_Dawg
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re: Football this fall???
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Can you not process the simple logic there that COVID deaths would obviously be supplanting typical flu deaths by an astronomical margin?


No, they cannot

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All you have to do is use your head, guys.

They have no defense to any of whats gone on in 2020 except to call you racist and regurgitate the media talking heads. They are simpletons and hoping for Socialism to take over and provide for them


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Lucius Clay
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re: Football this fall???
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Our government and media can't be trusted. Why some of you hang on their every word and mandate, without question or skepticism, is just baffling. These people are liars and cheaters, and will do and say anything to benefit themselves and their cronies, and all at our expense.


So this would apply directly to Trump as well?

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untold amounts of trust and reverence, to the point you give them more respect and faith than your fellow average Americans


Exactly like deranged MAGA hat wearers at a Trump rally, bowing before their false prophet!
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BeefDawg
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re: Football this fall???
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So this would apply directly to Trump as well?
Can you explain why all the career Establishment politicians and government officials who have been enriching themselves and their cronies, and abusing government processes, want Trump out of the way so bad they were willing to fabricate multiple hoaxes and commit treason to try and oust him?

Can you explain why minority unemployment fell to record lows under him and not under the actual minority President?

Can you explain why we are just now trying to fix trade imbalances, prevent corporate inversions, bring companies and manufacturing back to the US, grow the middle class, fund HBCU’s, incentivize businesses to move into minority dominant cities, and get other countries to fairly contribute to things like NATO and their own defense?

All things that either went the opposite direction under Obama, or were stagnant and insignificant during his terms.


But yeah, the guy that the corrupt as frick Establishment broke countless laws attempting a soft-coup against is the bad guy we should worry the most about.

It’s such a shame you’re this misguided.


dcbl
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re: Football this fall???
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Can you explain why all the career Establishment politicians and government officials who have been enriching themselves and their cronies, and abusing government processes, want Trump out of the way so bad they were willing to fabricate multiple hoaxes and commit treason to try and oust him?

Can you explain why minority unemployment fell to record lows under him and not under the actual minority President?

Can you explain why we are just now trying to fix trade imbalances, prevent corporate inversions, bring companies and manufacturing back to the US, grow the middle class, fund HBCU’s, incentivize businesses to move into minority dominant cities, and get other countries to fairly contribute to things like NATO and their own defense?

All things that either went the opposite direction under Obama, or were stagnant and insignificant during his terms.


But yeah, the guy that the corrupt as frick Establishment broke countless laws attempting a soft-coup against is the bad guy we should worry the most about.

It’s such a shame you’re this misguided.


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Lucius Clay
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re: Football this fall???
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fabricate multiple hoaxes


Except that they weren't and since that's your starting point, that's where the rest of your arguments fail. Trump has more former campaign associates currently incarcerated or on their way to prison than any President including Nixon. And that's just one small slice of this corrupt piece of shit's legacy. Once out of office, he'll spend the rest of his life facing lawsuits and state prosecutions...and he will deserve every bit of it.

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broke countless laws attempting a soft-coup against


More Facebook drivel. Trump believes himself above the law and above Presidential norms, hence his pattern of firing numerous Inspector Generals and essentially everyone else who might disagree with him or oppose him. Fascist playbook 101.

The only reason Trump wasn't convicted is because of Republican establishment cowards who held him to a far lower standard than any President in modern times - purely to protect themselves from his vile base rather than standing up for Constitutional principles.

Ever wonder why just about every senior military officer who has dealt with Trump now condemns him? Mattis, Kelly, Madden, others.

A reckoning will eventually come though. The fact is, most Americans really do not want a strong-arm ruler of the sort Trump admires and hoped to be. This country was founded by rebels who had no issue taking to the streets and breaking from a king.

Prepare your bunker.


lewis and herschel
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re: Football this fall???
You must get your information from The View. Those hags really know their stuff.


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BeefDawg
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re: Football this fall???
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Except that they weren't and since that's your starting point, that's where the rest of your arguments fail. Trump has more former campaign associates currently incarcerated or on their way to prison than any President including Nixon. And that's just one small slice of this corrupt piece of shit's legacy. Once out of office, he'll spend the rest of his life facing lawsuits and state prosecutions...and he will deserve every bit of it.
You need to watch a couple Progressives named Jimmy Dore and Aaron Matte.

Again, they are hardcore Lefties, and even they know the Establishment fabricated hoaxes and attempted a soft-coup against Trump.

Here ya go. Go back about 2 years or so and search for all the Aaron Matte interviews.


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More Facebook drivel. Trump believes himself above the law and above Presidential norms, hence his pattern of firing numerous Inspector Generals and essentially everyone else who might disagree with him or oppose him. Fascist playbook 101.
This is called draining the swamp.

You accuse me of being on Facebook while you're the one using the word "fascist" like a brainwashed lemming. SMH


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The only reason Trump wasn't convicted is because of Republican establishment cowards who held him to a far lower standard than any President in modern times - purely to protect themselves from his vile base rather than standing up for Constitutional principles.
Convicted him of what? Collusion with Russia? Bribing Ukrainians?

*Sigh*, you're a cliche, man.


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Ever wonder why just about every senior military officer who has dealt with Trump now condemns him? Mattis, Kelly, Madden, others.
You mean the Military Industrial Complex professionals that want us in perpetual wars so they and their cronies can profit?

Yeah, again, draining the swamp. Don't get me wrong, he's made hiring mistakes, but those guys you mention are all warmongering toolbags of the highest order.


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A reckoning will eventually come though. The fact is, most Americans really do not want a strong-arm ruler of the sort Trump admires and hoped to be. This country was founded by rebels who had no issue taking to the streets and breaking from a king.
Right, a guy that every Democrat AND Republican Establishment politician hates, and essentially won the Presidency on the basis of being Anti-Establishment is worse than the alternatives who are all 100% Establishment shills and apologists.

How did you get this broken?


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Prepare your bunker.
Irony. You has it.


Whiznot
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re: Football this fall???
I write about excess deaths and you replied with a chart about cases, not deaths. COVID-19 is much more deadly than the flu.


dcbl
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re: Football this fall???
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COVID-19 is much more deadly than the flu.
no, not really

and it is FAR less dangerous for children than the seasonal flu


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BeefDawg
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re: Football this fall???
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I write about excess deaths and you replied with a chart about cases, not deaths. COVID-19 is much more deadly than the flu.
How is this so difficult for you?

Flu kills about 50,000 people on average per year.

Chart shows you that at the same time COVID testing rolled out in NYS, number of people with the flu strangely drops to around 5% of it's norm.

Ergo, the likely number of deaths from the flu would also drop by a respective ratio.

The math would look something like this...

Flu has a 0.1% mortality rate. Which means approximately 50 million people get the flu each year for there to be around 50,000 average flu deaths.

Obviously, if flu cases drop to only 5% of their norm, meaning around 2.5 million, that means instead of 50,000 people dying from the flu, it SHOULD only be around 2,500.


But yet, the CDC is ESTIMATING between 30k-60k flu deaths this year, but if we have states like NY, who I showed have supposedly had flu cases drop to 5% of their norm, then that CDC estimate is going to get blown the frick up. That's just one of 50 states with supposedly a 95% reduction in their typical number of flu cases. There's no freaking possible way the country can have 30k-60k flu deaths with a 95% reduction in the typical amount of people who get the flu.


What this means is, either people in NYS with symptomatic flu and asymptomatic COVID were being counted as just COVID deaths, or, somehow COVID is causing less people to get the flu. Which means flu deaths will be supplanted by COVID deaths by a huge margin.

In either case, no, there are not a ton of excess deaths, because something funky is going on between flu and COVID, and there is massive overlap between them. And "massive" might be an understatement if that NYS health department flu chart is accurate. I mean, a 95% reduction in flu cases over the norm is absurd. Something is clearly funky there. Don't ya think?

And that's JUST the flu. There are n+1 other viruses and ailments that people typically die of each year, but if the flu is dropping down to 5% of it's norm the moment COVID testing rolled out, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that everything else conveniently dropped in number of cases, and subsequently mortality rate, by a massive percentage too.


Get it yet? Or is this still too difficult to understand? Because it's really not that complex.
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dcbl
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re: Football this fall???
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it's really not that complex.


excep5 for those being willfully obtuse

another thing that confuses me; we are getting reports that the number of actual cases is likely 8 to 10 times higher than is being reported

so, more like 25 million cases instead of 2.5 million

this is being used to drum up more fear; when it actually demonstrates that the virus is in truth less deadly than we are being told

20 - 25 million prior cases is reason to be less afraid, not more afraid...


GurleyGirl
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re: Football this fall???
Exactly. As blood tests proceed, we are finding that many more people have been exposed showing mild or no symptoms. To me, the term "cases" is misleading. When I think of a medical case, I think of someone who requires medical treatment for an illness which is not the case (excuse the pun) with asymptomatic exposure. The denominator for death rate really should be deaths/exposures.

Here's the data that the liberal media will never share. It actually took some digging to find a graph of weekly deaths over time. It wasn't broken down like this at the CDC website nor was an option for the Johns Hopkin website data.
I found this at the Our World in Data website sponsored by Oxford University. The data speaks for itself showing a steady overall decline in Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. and yes, there was a recent uptick in June:
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BeefDawg
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re: Football this fall???
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excep5 for those being willfully obtuse

another thing that confuses me; we are getting reports that the number of actual cases is likely 8 to 10 times higher than is being reported

so, more like 25 million cases instead of 2.5 million

this is being used to drum up more fear; when it actually demonstrates that the virus is in truth less deadly than we are being told

20 - 25 million prior cases is reason to be less afraid, not more afraid...
I'm 1000% certain we're WAY past even 25 million supposed positive COVID cases.

As I've mentioned before, I am absolutely certain my wife had COVID for 10 weeks between Thanksgiving and end of January (she has asthma so it hit her hard), and then I and my daughters had it for a few weeks in December, but much less severe, as none of us has asthma.

And my wife is a nurse who works with a couple dozen other medical professionals at Kennestone Hospital who all had the same violent cough for weeks and even months around that same time.

Not to mention, that NYS health chart I posted shows how supposed flu cases were double and triple their norms at the beginning to middle of last flu season, before COVID was supposedly even a thing. And those numbers would have made this the worst flu season since the 1918 Spanish Flu Epidemic.

And to suddenly go from being the worst flu season in 100 years to a 95% reduction in typical amount of flu cases virtually overnight, the instant COVID testing rolls out, just shows there's something insanely wonky and assuredly corrupt going on.

All the data and anecdotal evidence tells me this thing was making it's way through our country unabated for probably at least 6 months before we had our first mandate to social distance and begin widespread testing and accounting for positive cases and deaths.

Which means tens of millions more people have had this thing than we think or are being told. Probably over 100 million, and probably even more, have been exposed. Probably upwards of 50 million+ have been infected. And as a result, the symptomatic rate is magnitudes lower than we know or they are telling us. Which in turn means the mortality rate is also magnitudes lower.

Yes, this thing kicks the shite out of people's respiratory function for those who actually are symptomatic. But with only 26 school-age children dying from it out of 123,000, and over 90% of deaths being people with pre-existing conditions and/or 77+ years old, this thing is quite nuanced and selective, making it even that much less of what these doomers portray it as.


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Whiznot
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re: Football this fall???
We really don't know the number of current and past infections. If only 25 million have been infected that is less than 8% of us. We have a long way to go.

How many of the estimated 25 million infections are current infections? We don't know but there've been a lot of new infections in almost half of our states.

I've been trying to find a chart showing our history of new daily COVID hospitalizations but so far I haven't found that info.


dcbl
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re: Football this fall???
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I've been trying to find a chart showing our history of new daily COVID hospitalizations but so far I haven't found that info.



yep, because THAT info does not support the fear porn narrative

there is also next to zero info available about the children that have died

doesn't that seem odd? did those kids die with or of covid? what other conditions did they have?

we are not getting the truth

I do know this, the average age of covid deaths is 79 years old

exact same number as the average age of death for people in the world

just based on that, I am unable to take the reaction to this seriously, especially the panic about wearing a mask


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Lucius Clay
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Right, a guy that every Democrat AND Republican Establishment politician hates


As far as Republicans, you must have meant to say, "hated"...since almost all of them (let's take Lindsey Graham as poster child) miraculously went from condemning Trump to praising and defending him. (These folks aren't much for sticking to their principles, huh?)

But did it ever occur to you that maybe they hated him on both sides in the primaries because he was: 1) ignorant, 2) vile, 3) notoriously dishonest, and 4) temperamentally unfit to be President? I mean, there were some reasons to dislike him other than some sort of fear that he might mess up the good thing they had going...

In reality, since he's been in office, what's he done that's any different than a mainstream Republican agenda OTHER than embracing massive increase in public debt and making enough not-so-subtle dog whistles that he is enthusiastically endorsed by several white supremacist groups?

Otherwise, his policies and positions are not much different than the usual with pro-corporate, pro-Wall Street, anti-immigration Conservative agendas. He's also pandered to the religious Right, another hallmark.

He definitely hasn't drained the swamp, he's just filled it with even more vile people than had already inhabited it.


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wizatlanta
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re: Football this fall???
Hard to believe that people like you bothered to attend the backwoods country college called UGA...if you did.


deeprig9
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re: Football this fall???
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with a chart about cases, not deaths. COVID-19 is much more deadly than the flu.



When a person in a nursing home dies of complications from the flu, it gets coded as pneumonia. With CV, nearly every single one gets tested for CV, even after death, to make sure it gets counted. Testing dead bodies for CV.

How many nursing home deaths get posthumously tested for flu each year? Hint: Zero.


djsdawg
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When a person in a nursing home dies of complications from the flu, it gets coded as pneumonia.





Don’t think so.


meansonny
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When a person in a nursing home dies of complications from the flu, it gets coded as pneumonia.




Don’t think so.


Cardiac arrest with no symptoms.
Pneumonia with symptoms.


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