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re: Does Kirby work in JT Daniels against UK in two weeks?

Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:18 am to
Posted by olddawg26
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Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:18 am to
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he transferred because he lost his spot.


And why did he lose his spot
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:25 am to
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And why did he lose his spot


I am not fully clear as to why. The assumption I made based on what I read was the back up came in and did a good enough job to make him think he would not get it back. Or there were other issues. Total speculation. Maybe his girlfriend dumped him and he hated California. It could be something totally benign or something bigger. You can speculate based on the fact he isn’t playing and he is a proven D1 kid and a 5 Star QB. There is a reason. I don’t think it is because Kirbs wants to play an inferior player as part of his conspiracy to lose.
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:32 am to
He lost his spot because he fricked his knee up. There’s not much more of an explanation. He may still be having problems, but it wasn’t due to being passed organically by sucking
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:45 am to
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He lost his spot because he fricked his knee up. There’s not much more of an explanation. He may still be having problems, but it wasn’t due to being passed organically by sucking



That is why he lost it. If he assumed he was getting it back when he was better, you would think he would have stayed. Like I said, maybe he had other reasons. Maybe the coaches didn’t like his attitude. Maybe his girlfriend got herpes from the Flea. Did I miss any comments by him or the USC Coaches specific as to why he left? I honestly have not seen them.
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:47 am to
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when he was better


And as we know now was a very complicated thing
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:55 am to
No doubt... all we can do is speculate.
Posted by DawgHolliday
the 'cloven-land', ga
Member since Sep 2012
4978 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:55 am to
Fair enough. I think you generally have good football insights when you aren’t working a subtle troll. That’s why I asked.

I think all things being equal, if JT isn’t physically ready, or ready, but Kirby knows he isn’t the guy...I wouldn’t hate giving Beck a couple of series just to see if he’s got the juice. I may be wrong, but I think Mathis brain surgery is going to always be a limiting factor for him psychologically. I can’t blame him but we can’t win with a QB who has nightmares of Bumper Pool every time he drops back.
Posted by chillmonster
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2018
5072 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 11:58 am to
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. I may be wrong, but I think Mathis brain surgery is going to always be a limiting factor for him psychologically


Mathis looked no more rattled than Bennett did in the second half yesterday. Yes, it was Bama, but that was Mathis' first 4 drives in CFB.

I'll continue to maintain he'll end up a better player than Bennett within his first handful of starts - wherever they happen to come.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27291 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:02 pm to
He was fine up to LSU
2018 splits

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and the eyeball test showed a QB who was missing easy throws.


He was hitting 67% of his passes and those numbers were pretty consistent throughout the season
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12413 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:19 pm to
Frankly, I do not think we are playing to Bennett’s strengths as much as we could. I think Bennett can win games for us. It will be harder for him to do it with a 5 and 7 step drop. The pass rushers were taking up passing lanes as much as they were putting pressure on. The way to counter that is with roll outs, misdirection, play action, and blocking techniques that make it harder for them to get paws up. Then the defense will have to adjust to that. I’d also like to see him keep it more on the RO and have some run pass options with that aspect of the game. I think we have them in the book, but we seem to not be using them enough. We actually did it on the first play of the game and got positive yards. Those work better in the 2nd half when the Defense is tired and has been hammered in the A gap like we were doing pretty well.

There could be reasons why we don’t do this that we are not aware of that make perfect sense. With that said, I don’t think we started out this season thinking Bennett would be the guy. Hopefully the off week will give them some time of put in some more wrinkles that worrk with his skill sett
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:42 pm to
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There could be reasons why we don’t do this that we are not aware of that make perfect sense.



I would think the OL needs to play with alot more assignment discipline for those types of plays, they can get blown up more easily... and also would wear OL out a little more too.
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 12:44 pm
Posted by chillmonster
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2018
5072 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 12:59 pm to
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I would think the OL needs to play with alot more assignment discipline for those types of plays, they can get blown up more easily... and also would wear OL out a little more too.


The more experienced Bama O-Line did a great job of picking up blitzes in that second half.

LSU couldn't do that last year, but Burrow could still avoid pressure and either consistently deliver an on target ball or scramble for a gain.

The other way team's do it is simply max protect and count of one of two-three receivers to get a bit of daylight and your QB to make the play even if it's a tight window.

I'm not sure any of those are options for us.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/20/20 at 1:06 pm to
LSU had a number of roll out plays that catered to Burrow’s athleticism . He also certainly was a very difficult dude to sack. Give his Oline credit though. He had a lot of time on a lot of plays.
Posted by chillmonster
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2018
5072 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 1:49 pm to
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Give his Oline credit though. He had a lot of time on a lot of plays.


That's true for us as well. We also had plays that catered to Bennetts athleticism.

You don't call a play counting on your QB to avoid the rush, but if you know he can you'll risk the possibility for an opportunity to exploit the defense because you know there's a reliable fallback when blocking breaks down.

Monken can do everything LSU did last year. Difference with Burrow is there nothing that limited the playbook.

Not to say there aren't limiting factors with every QB on our roster: Experience, athleticism, arm strength, size, health? That's why I like Mathis. I know his limiting factor can be solved.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12413 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 2:18 pm to
Roll out

Conns:
limit area you can safely throw
Corner blitz can eat it up

Pros:
Easier throwing lanes
Run option in play
Wear out Defensive line


There is risk reward with whatever you do, but you need to play to your strengths
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25520 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 2:47 pm to
Tennessee ate Bennett up outside the pocket with a spy. Any team would do the same on a roll out if they dont mind committing 3 bodies to the pass rush.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63831 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 3:01 pm to
How many designed rollouts would you like to see per game?
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 3:02 pm
Posted by Buddy2012
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
2861 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 4:38 pm to
Unsubstantiated rumors, innuendos and hearsay have it that JT re injured his knee A few weeks ago and they have no choice but to be extra cautious. He may be a month from seeing the field. But that’s just hearsay maybe Stetson is just the best qb.
Posted by RunLindsayRun
LaGrange | Athens
Member since Sep 2012
2726 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 4:40 pm to
The fact that rollouts are even being discussed is comical. Did you see how atrocious Stet was throwing on the run Saturday?

He makes good decisions over the course of a game but, the fact of the matter is he is a dwarf and the ball floats to our receivers. He just doesn’t have the physical tools to beat Bama or Clemson.
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 4:43 pm
Posted by Kneehigh
Low Country
Member since Nov 2012
13198 posts
Posted on 10/20/20 at 4:59 pm to
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He just doesn’t have the physical tools to beat Bama or Clemson.



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