re: Covid-19 in Georgia: The Second Wave

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A Walmart worker told the man that he had to wear a mask.

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This is actually a direct violation of WM's policy. A copy of their mask protocols made it online. They're not allowed to address customers not wearing them.

At what point did you feel compelled to tell everyone to chill? even though he had no mask, they all did, so mindya, etc?

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It was... so.... ???

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The entire world didn't shut down over a nothing bigger.

138k people dying in the US isn't a nothing burger.

You can make a claim that some places are overreacting but to say it's a nothing burger is just asinine

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In what fricked up universe does wearing a mask at publix stop people from fricking with their beards?

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Unless the beard is larger it's going to be covered by the mask.

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Either way, the mask doesn't make a damn bit of difference.

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Expect it does, it prevents you spreading the virus via cough or just you talking. It's amazing how you pull up any stat but still speak so much bullshite

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They watch that media because all the other media[s] tell them they are a legacy of hatred, failure, guilt, garbage. If they aren't listening to the other media[s], it's because the other media[s] have cried wolf 200 times too many.

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Deflecting, CNN and MSNBC trash doesn't justify Fox also being trash

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Either way, wearing a mask is retarded

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No being anti mask is retarded. For fricks sakes just wear the thing when you're going out it's not hurting you.

But no anti mask people want to bitch and whine and act like wearing one will automatically lead to some Orwellian dystopia. Do you also bitch about having to wear clothes?

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Either way, wearing a mask is retarded. Everyone knows it, even the people that swear by them, they know it's "precautionary" and doesn't actually do shite.

It's all theater. It's a talisman to be worn by the ignorant and paranoid.

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Bingo. If masks work, why have THOUSANDS of convicted criminals been released from jail instead of simply giving them masks in prison?

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My mother died in a Savannah nursing home in late March, in the middle of all this. My father (who just finished his own chemo) got to see her one last time because he got a painter's suit and respirator from home depot, so they let him in. Have you ever seen E.T.? It's a Spielberg flick, John Williams did the score. Don't lecture me about old people and aging parents.

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I am genuinely sorry to hear that, Rig. I'm not lecturing you. My dad has been dead for 18 years (he'd be 104 if he were alive today). My mother has been gone for 7. I've dealt with my grandparents, too. I'm now having to put up with stubborn in-laws. The situation is complicated because they keep our kids while we work. Not only is my FIL high risk, but if they pass it to us, my wife's patients are ALL high risk. The potential domino effect if she gets it from them is significant. Again, elderly people do not listen to good advice 100% of the time.

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Grocery delivery. It's all the rage.

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They do good to just post questionable shite on FB. I have tried to explain grocery delivery and pick-up. They finally did pick-up a couple of times, but then felt it was too cumbersome so they just started going back in the store again.

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It was... so.... ???

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While you're trying to toe that line, it's clear you're not convinced. You know that isn't true and you absolutely know it's not true for the elderly and other at-risk populations.

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The goal isn't sterilization, it is sanitation. Assuming he showers daily and doesn't eat your MIL's arse every afternoon before making a run to Publix, who cares? It's probably more unsanitary what you do to his daughter on a regular basis, than what he does to his beard. In what fricked up universe does wearing a mask at publix stop people from fricking with their beards? Damn man.

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The point is that while they think they are doing everything right (they aren't) they still don't have the routine down. I know that by habit alone, he touches his face between hand-washing or sanitizing. When I go in the store, I wear the mask and when I get to my car, the first step is to sanitize my hands, THEN remove the mask, by the straps, not the cloth. It's a simple routine. But it takes some getting used to. He has not acclimated to that and probably never will. So he's going out, touching shite in the store (where you literally cannot social distance) and then touches his face without realizing he's doing it. One of the benefits of the mask is that it DOES give a little reminder about not touching the face.

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Maybe, depends on situation. Depends on the goal. The science has said (so far, could change) that asym people really don't spread it. If you live at home with a symtomatic person, and you wash and sanitize before going out, and you aren't coughing and sneezing and shouting and whatnot, you can slip in and out of a Publix without spreading it to a single soul. And it depends.... are you going out to a carnival or going out for something more urgent? Either way, the mask doesn't make a damn bit of difference.

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If there is a chance that you have it at all, I don't think you risk it. When my FIL laid his bike down back in early April, the nurse in the ER asked him if he had any symptoms in the last 14 days. He said no. Then proceeds to tell her that he has had a cough the last week, to which her response was to lecture him about not needing ALL the symptoms to be sick (because that's what he thought). And he's not the only one who thinks that way. Many folks actually do have symptoms, mild in nature, but those don't really register to them as a risk and so they go out. You just said you can get your groceries delivered, so again, why are you going to risk it? That sort of apathy about it is why we're sitting where we are right now.

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They watch that media because all the other media[s] tell them they are a legacy of hatred, failure, guilt, garbage. If they aren't listening to the other media[s], it's because the other media[s] have cried wolf 200 times too many. Which brings us full circle in a way.... if the media hadn't overhyped the Spring wave of Covid, then maybe they'd be taking this New Wave more seriously. Is that Fox's fault? They aren't the ones who cried "Wolf!". It was your media[s] that did that.

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First, let's be clear. CNN is not MY media. I'm a Trump voter. But I have been VERY put off by the complete dismissal of the seriousness of the virus and what it does that has been pervasive on Fox News. CNN has overblown the thing, that's for sure. But Fox News, where the conservative elderly are getting their information, is downplaying this into the ground. As with most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle. You're correct that the initial overkill by CNN was harmful. So were the "allowed" protests and riots. Now, everyone is just "ah, frick it" and we're paying the price. There is no question, though, that at-risk people are now putting themselves at even greater risk because of what conservative media is telling them.

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Either way, wearing a mask is retarded. Everyone knows it, even the people that swear by them, they know it's "precautionary" and doesn't actually do shite.

It's all theater. It's a talisman to be worn by the ignorant and paranoid.

Just stop trying to lecture people about masks. You know, deep down inside, it is bullshite. You know this. You have seen the science. You have glared over your cheek at the truth a time or two. Stop trying to shame people.

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Rig, if everyone doesn't practice it, you're right. It won't work. And therein is the issue. We cannot (and shouldn't have to) make people be mindful of others around them. Now, people aren't worried about whether masks work or not, but how others will perceive them politically if they wear or don't wear one. I have seen plenty of studies that say they work. I've seen plenty that say they don't. All of them assume certain sets of variables that may or may not be common. As far as I am concerned, if there is a chance that they work, why not use them? If they don't, so be it. But you know what 100% offers NO protection? Not wearing one. Barriers are not rocket science. A .0125 micron viral body doesn't fly around under its own power. It moves attached to a larger glob of snot or saliva. And a barrier has at least a chance to stop that. It's not foolproof or guaranteed, but it's better than nothing at all. Pretty much every doctor's office requires it and I can tell you at my wife's practice, they aren't doing it just to make you FEEL better. They believe in it. They do it to protect each other and their patients. So I'm going to go with the medical professionals that I know who say you're incorrect. You can find me the doctor here or there that will say they aren't effective. You can always find expert counter-points. But my own anecdotal experience is that the doctors and nurses I know advocate for it.

That said, I am not shaming you. If I encounter you outside my home and you aren't wearing one, that's your prerogative. I'm not going to give anyone a hard time about it and I certainly don't condone others doing so either. It's a free country. You have a right to do what you think is best for you and your situation. But it is equally wrong for you to criticize those on the opposite side who believe that wearing the mask is what they should do. If they get in your face yelling at you about it, that's one thing and by all means, I'm not blaming you for decking them. But understand, that person is not indicative of most people choosing to wear a mask. Those are your mentally ill, unstable individuals engaging in that behavior.

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Mask True Believers

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But Trump is now suddenly wearing one and saying it's "patriotic" to do so. Is he a True Believer or did he cave in to some new campaign advisor?

Criticism of Trump doesn't imply endorsement of Biden.

It would seem that you're confusing the issue.

The mask issue is similar to the overarching narrative. The virus is a real thing, but the panic is the hoax.

Of course masks work. We see them successfully employed in ORs every day. Societally, we see communities across many different Asian cultures successfully use them during cold & flu season.

The problem comes in when Karen buys into the notion that ANY face cover will prevent something like COVID-19 from infecting them, even if it's a bandana. Their craving for security sets them up for false equivalencies like simply seeing people out and about with masks, when the way they're being applied now may as well have folks believing that the only way to fight the virus is to wear lime green shoelaces.

That is what makes them Mask True Believers.

Rig's point on it being a talisman is dead on. Dumbo's feather.

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Rig's point on it being a talisman is dead on.

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No it isn't, it's right wing bullshite parroted by a bunch of morons reposting half truths or outright lies. The masks that you normally see help prevent the spread by reducing the ways you can spread the virus.

The notion that this is all some grand conspiracy to unseat Trump is just a dumb baseless idea cooked up by Trump voters because they can't comprehend the fact that their leader is a moron