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CBBDawg316
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re: Could the offense’s real problem be in the running game?
I don't agree that is necessarily true. With a stacked box, a running back is still going to have to make someone miss, break a tackle, create something out of nothing, etc.

The run blocking could absolutely be better, but it's the consistency in explosive plays in the running game we're missing. Sure, Swift's numbers in explosive plays aren't down to last year, but we haven't made up for Holyfield's and or anyone else. When Swift wasn't dead legging someone, Holyfield was bringing the Thunder or surprising someone with his quickness and shiftiness to create 15+ yard runs. Herrien has been a 1st down finder, but he hasn't had many explosive running plays to help change the field position or tone of a drive.

Again, it's a multitude of things. But when Swift becomes your bellcow, which he can do but it's not his bread and butter, you're going to drop off.


Crowknowsbest
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re: Could the offense’s real problem be in the running game?
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But when Swift becomes your bellcow, which he can do but it's not his bread and butter, you're going to drop off.

This is a hot take on a guy that’s probably the top NFL RB prospect. Top 3 at worst.


GurleyGirl
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re: Could the offense’s real problem be in the running game?
Now compare the passing offense for those 3 seasons and you will likely see the most significant difference.
Fromm's quarterback rating has dropped from 171.2 to 146.0. His average yards per completion has dropped from 9.0 to 7.2. TD passes have dropped from 30 to 16 so far this season. As such I would contend that the main drop-off in the offense has been due to the play calling and the quality of the receiving core.


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meansonny
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re: Could the offense’s real problem be in the running game?
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Herrien has had 6 carries on 3rd down with 1-3 yards to go and converted 5 first downs. That's pretty good juice when needed.
Swift? 7 carries with 1-3 ytg for 6 first downs.


It is relative.

I'm comparing Herrien to Sony in 2017 and Holyfield in 2018.

It isnt the same.


CBBDawg316
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re: Could the offense’s real problem be in the running game?
You’re missing my point. Swift was meant to be a feature back, but how were utilizing him this year he’s supposed to be thunder and lightning. He can do thunder as we’ve seen, but lightning is his calling card, as we know.

Having Holyfield last year was impactful to loosen up defenses and allow us to deliver the first blow. That’s why he started most games and then Swift finished them.

He’s a top running back for sure. Despite a true 1-2 punch and stacked boxes with a musical chair line, he’s gotten his. But he hasn’t hit the home run as much this year because he’s been asked to pound the rock early and often, not just put the game away.


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Whiznot
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re: Could the offense’s real problem be in the running game?
We don't get many short yardage situations on 3rd down. We don't move the sticks very often on 1st and 2nd down.


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AlaCowboy
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re: Could the offense’s real problem be in the running game?
I understand. But short yardage is Herrien's juice for this team.


meansonny
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re: Could the offense’s real problem be in the running game?
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I understand. But short yardage is Herrien's juice for this team.

I disagree. Herrien is good. Sure. But if he were "the juice" on third down, we would use him more.

Right now, the third and short juice is jake Fromm. He attempted 11 third and <=3 in 2018. This year, he has already attempted 13 with another 4+ games to go.

Right now, we have run on 19 attempts for third down and <= 3 yards (6 of those have been Herrien).
In 2018, we attempted 36 on the ground.

Dont get me wrong. I'm tipping my cap to Herrien in the passing game. I think that will be something we exploit more down the stretch. My point is that Herrien is not replacing the production on the ground of Holyfield 2018 or Sony 2017. That is the dropoff in our 2019 run game. That is one of the dropoffs in our 2019 offense.


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FooManChoo
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re: Could the offense’s real problem be in the running game?
Our offense is about balance. If we throw the ball well, it will help our run game. If we run the ball well, it will help our pass game.

Our passing game has fallen off due to so many good/experienced receivers leaving after last season. We've struggled with consistency in our route running, physicality (while catching; blocking as been OK), and ball catching. Our top receiver has a glass shoulder and the second most experienced guy has stone hands, followed by a group of very young and raw guys who could be awesome with some good coaching and more experience (Pickens and Blaylock trending up, for sure).

When you struggle to consistently move the ball through the air, the opponents' focus shifts to the run game. They sell out to stop the run and dare our receivers to be more physical than their corners and safeties on the outside. We haven't been very creative in our play calling to do more than out routes, come backs, and fades and that relies on good route running, catching, and physicality, which, again, we've been inconsistent with.

I strongly believe that if we had another solid receiver or two, our offense would look very different.


Dick Leverage
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re: Could the offense’s real problem be in the running game?
“We haven't been very creative in our play calling to do more than out routes, come backs, and fades and that relies on good route running, catching, and physicality, which, again, we've been inconsistent with. “

This is the biggest issue to me. We throw maybe one pass a game between the hash marks. Nobody does that. I just find it hard to believe that we are incapable of throwing to the middle of the field when teams with names like Ball State, Akron, Middle Tenn State, App State, etc do it 10 times a game. Hell, the only success teams have on out defense is by throwing into the middle. But apparently, the University of Georgia can’t figure it out.


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Peter Buck
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re: Could the offense’s real problem be in the running game?
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This is the biggest issue to me. We throw maybe one pass a game between the hash marks. Nobody does that. I just find it hard to believe that we are incapable of throwing to the middle of the field when teams with names like Ball State, Akron, Middle Tenn State, App State, etc do it 10 times a game. Hell, the only success teams have on out defense is by throwing into the middle. But apparently, the University of Georgia can’t figure it out.


We threw 2 passes between the hashes on the last 2 drives against Auburn. One was dropped and one was well covered. It’s not that we don’t try... we just are not having a ton of success...


deeprig9
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re: Could the offense’s real problem be in the running game?
Are you calling Dick Leverage a liar? Because he said "maybe", he gets an out. It just means he hasn't really paid attention, and is just sort of talking out of his ass, and doesn't know what he's talking about. Just kinda sharing his feelings. But he is NOT a liar. Just remember...

"It's not a lie, if you believe it..."

-George Costanza


3rddownonthe8
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re: Could the offense’s real problem be in the running game?
Mabe a FB would help some.

I miss going under center and having a lead blocker.


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frogtown
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re: Could the offense’s real problem be in the running game?
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We threw 2 passes between the hashes on the last 2 drives against Auburn. One was dropped and one was well covered. It’s not that we don’t try... we just are not having a ton of success...


Go watch the replay of Fromm's throws versus Notre Dame and Tennessee...back to back games. Only one throw over ten yards over the middle of the field. We do not attack the middle of the field in the passing game.

It is not that we aren't having a ton of success...it is that we don't try. Maybe that is by design because the sideline throws are safer. But it does make our offense easier to defend.


deeprig9
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re: Could the offense’s real problem be in the running game?
Nice Post route between the hashes that Fromm connected with to a true freshman for a TD last week.


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Dick Leverage
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re: Could the offense’s real problem be in the running game?
Holy crap!! Still mad after 3 weeks! LOL
You hang in there little buddy. LOL!


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Peter Buck
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re: Could the offense’s real problem be in the running game?
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Go watch the replay of Fromm's throws versus Notre Dame and Tennessee...back to back games. Only one throw over ten yards over the middle of the field. We do not attack the middle of the field in the passing game.

It is not that we aren't having a ton of success...it is that we don't try. Maybe that is by design because the sideline throws are safer. But it does make our offense easier to defend.


I’m not calling you a liar, but I will say you have a poor memory.







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Dick Leverage
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re: Could the offense’s real problem be in the running game?
Thank you Peter Buck. A very civil and mature reply to something you don’t agree with.

Yes, since I don’t care to go back and actually count the number of times that we have thrown into the middle of the field, I used the phrase “maybe one time a game.” Perhaps a little hyperbolic but not that far from actuality.

So just to clear the air, my point is that it seems to me , based on viewing the games and without keeping notes to make a spreadsheet after the games, that we probably throw over 90% of our passes outside of the hash marks. If Lil Buddy rides in on his white Arabian Charger and proves that it is actually 80%, I would like to pre-apologize to you for a faulty eye test only estimation.

On the flip side of that, I find it frustrating that most other teams (sorry that I cannot provide you and exact number) seem to throw with a more widespread utilization of the entire field of play. Some of these teams include mid majors and smaller schools. And this particular form of attack appears to be our biggest weakness when a team uses it against us. At least, It appears that way in the game threads when lamentations of “why can’t we stop the crap across the middle!” are voiced. Now, Peter Buck, I am not saying that every team does this to us. I want to make that clear so that Lil Buddy doesn’t think it’s the whistle to charge up out of the trench with his bayonet.

Finally, Peter Buck, I just think that if the aforementioned teams in the original post can do this rather effectively , then UGA should not be so unbalanced in field utilization.
This post was edited on 11/20 at 10:27 pm


Peter Buck
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re: Could the offense’s real problem be in the running game?
We ran curls, slants, digs, posts and settle routes in the middle against ND. A few fell incomplete. If you wanted Fromm to throw the deep hashes against ND when they had two deep safeties , I’d say it is not a good idea. We worked that soft spot under it to 16 on the settle certainly more than once.. This is yet another example of people repeating shite they hear on the WWW and growing a myth. We really did not throw that many back shoulder passes in this game and the ones we did had a pretty good success rate. If the refs call PI, it would have even been better. The only thing I saw in rewatching this was we ran a lot of screens and high% short pass plays that were almost an extension of the running game in an effort to spread out NDs defense and to slow down their run blitzes. Give ND credit for making a lot of good, open field tackles.


Sandwich
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re: Could the offense’s real problem be in the running game?
I haven't read this entire thread but my 2 cents is to me, and this is just my opinion, is the following:

1) We don't have a bruiser who is good for 5 yards a pop up the gut...We had Chubb, then we had Holyfield, and now well, we just don't have one.(was hoping that would have been Zeus)

2) As good as Swift is, he doesn't break many shoe string tackles. This might be nit picky, but he seems to struggle staying on his feet after ankle tackles. The man is best in Space.

3) Teams know what we want to do and when there is 9 men in the box, even the best RB's aren't going anywhere against a defense with a pulse.


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