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re: Sumlin Will be our Coach Next Year
Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:41 pm to Texas Weazel
Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:41 pm to Texas Weazel
And for the love of God, fire Moorehead!!!!
Not only did he embarrass us nationally, but our WRs seem to be under-performing. We need to see more aggressiveness on the field from our WRs ('member Mike Evans?). Christian Kirk seems to be making plays out there with raw athleticism rather than technique.
Not only did he embarrass us nationally, but our WRs seem to be under-performing. We need to see more aggressiveness on the field from our WRs ('member Mike Evans?). Christian Kirk seems to be making plays out there with raw athleticism rather than technique.
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Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:54 pm to Texas Weazel
To be clear, I'm not thrilled with Sumlin's results. I really soured on him after 59-0 and I thought the UCLA debacle sealed the deal. But:
How do you feel about 8.8?
My problem with firing him is who do we get to replace him and win more than 8.8 games/year? Chip Kelly seems to be the most realistic candidate, but he's already said he hates recruiting (non-starter for me). Maybe he hates it because he got caught cheating at it. I'd love Justin Fuente here, but I can't believe he'd leave VT after 1 year. The other big names that have been tossed around are just pipe dreams in my opinion.
When A&M grabbed Jackie from Pitt he became the highest-paid coach in college football. That's not so easy to do now. All the good ones are paid millions.
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A&M deserves better than 8 wins per season.
How do you feel about 8.8?
My problem with firing him is who do we get to replace him and win more than 8.8 games/year? Chip Kelly seems to be the most realistic candidate, but he's already said he hates recruiting (non-starter for me). Maybe he hates it because he got caught cheating at it. I'd love Justin Fuente here, but I can't believe he'd leave VT after 1 year. The other big names that have been tossed around are just pipe dreams in my opinion.
When A&M grabbed Jackie from Pitt he became the highest-paid coach in college football. That's not so easy to do now. All the good ones are paid millions.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:56 pm to finestfirst79
Chip kelly's offense would recruit itself in the SEC in my opinion.
A hire like kelly is going to bring in booster money and recruits regardless of whether he is a recruiting mastermind. Hell, you can bring him in and get one of these stud recruiting coordinators who seemingly do nothing else for the team.
Whoever nabs Chip first is going to be a winner.
A hire like kelly is going to bring in booster money and recruits regardless of whether he is a recruiting mastermind. Hell, you can bring him in and get one of these stud recruiting coordinators who seemingly do nothing else for the team.
Whoever nabs Chip first is going to be a winner.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:03 pm to finestfirst79
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How do you feel about 8.8?
That's a good argument. But let me offer you this counter argument; Kevin Sumlin has not won 9 or more games per season since Manziel left. And while he is 6-0 vs Arkansas, he's also 0-5 vs LSU.
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My problem with firing him is who do we get to replace him and win more than 8.8 games/year?
Bo Pelini averaged 9+ wins per season with average talent against both Big12 and BigTen schools. He knows how to coach a defense, he embraces memes, and isn't afraid to coach in his pee pants.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:07 pm to Texas Weazel
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...and isn't afraid to coach in his pee pants.
I'm pretty sure you win the internet for the day.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 10:20 pm to Texas Weazel
I'm fully on board with that. And 5-1 is possible. Football season is half over. I'm willing to forgive (but never forget) the UCLA loss if he can finish 5-1. We will be the real deal next year.
The rest of the season will be fun. We have a 1-5 floor and a 6-0 ceiling. I plan on enjoying it.
The rest of the season will be fun. We have a 1-5 floor and a 6-0 ceiling. I plan on enjoying it.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 11:13 pm to finestfirst79
I laughed and agree
Posted on 10/10/17 at 12:28 am to Texas Weazel
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Old Man with the KO stats to Lobotomy
How is that a KO stat? If anything, it's a catastrophic misfire, as if you throw out the 2012 season for Auburn as the outlier, you also have to throw out the 11-2 season for A&M in 2012 as Sumlin's outlier. It's the only season of his without at least 4 regular season losses.
That gives Kevin Sumlin an average regular season of 7.8 wins and an overall average of 8.2 wins/season.
Take out the FCS game every year and Sumlin's average regular season win total drops to 6.8 wins/season.
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 12:51 am
Posted on 10/10/17 at 1:09 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Where do we rank in those stats, and sec record from 14 to 16?
12 is certainly an outlier, not only did Sumlin inherit a veteran team with tons of talent (albeit not a lot of depth), he went the whole season with almost no injuries and caught the sec in a down year.
We also get USCe as a yearly opponent, and have had a decent draw of 2nd sece teams as well.
Where do we rank out of those teams in support? Facilities? Recruiting grounds?
It's just all fools gold, or maybe like fools copper.
12 is certainly an outlier, not only did Sumlin inherit a veteran team with tons of talent (albeit not a lot of depth), he went the whole season with almost no injuries and caught the sec in a down year.
We also get USCe as a yearly opponent, and have had a decent draw of 2nd sece teams as well.
Where do we rank out of those teams in support? Facilities? Recruiting grounds?
It's just all fools gold, or maybe like fools copper.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 2:13 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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How is that a KO stat? If anything, it's a catastrophic misfire, as if you throw out the 2012 season for Auburn as the outlier, you also have to throw out the 11-2 season for A&M in 2012 as Sumlin's outlier. It's the only season of his without at least 4 regular season losses.
The season happened, so count it. You're notorious for manipulating data so of course you want it gone. Focusing on Sumlin's weaknesses and ignoring the good things he has done is your MO. You really aren't fooling anyone.
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Take out the FCS game every year and Sumlin's average regular season win total drops to 6.8 wins/season.
That would make sense, except for the fact that every SEC school has also played FCS schools.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 6:01 am to finestfirst79
This is why I never wear light tan pants, all it takes is not shaking that last drop out and BAM everyone thinks you pissed yourself 
Posted on 10/10/17 at 8:08 am to Texas Weazel
I was responding to a poster who took out Auburn's 2012 season to compare programs. Context and SA helps.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:04 am to CGSC Lobotomy
The most common excuse I see to keep sumlin is the line “who are we going to get that’s for sure better?”
Here’s your answer:
1) you can never let fear of the unknown keep you from trying something new. It’s madness to stick with the status quo when you know what you’re getting.
2) We will never know for sure who is a better coach until they are here and we can see the results. There are too many variables in college football that unless you hire Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, or Dabo Swinney, you are taking a chance. Big time programs have had to do it too: Texas, Florida, LSU, etc. it is much harder in today’s landscape to steal a big time coach because of how much they are worth to a football program. Most schools will pony up to match offers if they can. Yes you don’t want to pull an LSU and hire an orgeron type, but there are qualified candidates that might have what it takes. Again, don’t let fear of the unknown keep you from making a change.
Here’s your answer:
1) you can never let fear of the unknown keep you from trying something new. It’s madness to stick with the status quo when you know what you’re getting.
2) We will never know for sure who is a better coach until they are here and we can see the results. There are too many variables in college football that unless you hire Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, or Dabo Swinney, you are taking a chance. Big time programs have had to do it too: Texas, Florida, LSU, etc. it is much harder in today’s landscape to steal a big time coach because of how much they are worth to a football program. Most schools will pony up to match offers if they can. Yes you don’t want to pull an LSU and hire an orgeron type, but there are qualified candidates that might have what it takes. Again, don’t let fear of the unknown keep you from making a change.
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 9:06 am
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:23 am to CGSC Lobotomy
I'm all for removing 2012 for comparisons sake, but you taking out the FCS games is stupid. Everyone plays them. You're just being bitter again. Go eat your almonds.
Sumlin has been digging for oil. He found a patch in 2012 and kept digging. Its been a long and dry process. Next year he strikes liquid gold.
Sumlin has been digging for oil. He found a patch in 2012 and kept digging. Its been a long and dry process. Next year he strikes liquid gold.
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 9:25 am
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:29 am to AggieDub14
In the entirety of his time in the Big 12, Slocum played the following games vs. FCS schools.
1997 Sam Houston
2001 McNeese
That's it.
1997 Sam Houston
2001 McNeese
That's it.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:31 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Oh my mistake. I didn't realize the coach made the schedule.
Per bowl eligibility rules, 1 win over an FCS opponent can count towards bowl eligibility. This is a rule that most of the FBS takes advantage of. I would love for them to abolish it. But until they do, I'll take a free win just like most everyone else.
Per bowl eligibility rules, 1 win over an FCS opponent can count towards bowl eligibility. This is a rule that most of the FBS takes advantage of. I would love for them to abolish it. But until they do, I'll take a free win just like most everyone else.
This post was edited on 10/10/17 at 9:33 am
Posted on 10/10/17 at 9:49 am to AggieDub14
Sumlin isn't great at developing talent. He took what Sherman built and ran with it in 2012/13 but keep putting lipstick on the pig.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 10:08 am to Mr. Elvert
Sherman built a great offense. Then some of the lineman graduated and it became a good offense. The defense was still garbage.
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:36 am to AggieDub14
Sumlin should be measured based on competiveness in the division and the conference as a whole. He has the unenviable task of competing with the Alabama juggernaut but there is no reason we should not be able to consistently finish in the top 3 in divisional standings with periodic divisional title wins.
I agree that just picking a number like 8 or 9 wins is not enough. If all regular season losses are conference losses, you are perpetually stuck in the lower half of the divisional standings. There cannot be long term acceptance of that kind of performance.
A lot of his problems to this point have been self-inflicted:
- Poor performing OLine coach on original staff. Effects of this became obvious as Sherman recruits graduated out.
- Promoting position coaches to the OC position that had no OC experience at the D1 level (AD should have stepped in and stopped this)
- Disastrous 2013 Recruiting Class
- QB positional drama
I agree that just picking a number like 8 or 9 wins is not enough. If all regular season losses are conference losses, you are perpetually stuck in the lower half of the divisional standings. There cannot be long term acceptance of that kind of performance.
A lot of his problems to this point have been self-inflicted:
- Poor performing OLine coach on original staff. Effects of this became obvious as Sherman recruits graduated out.
- Promoting position coaches to the OC position that had no OC experience at the D1 level (AD should have stepped in and stopped this)
- Disastrous 2013 Recruiting Class
- QB positional drama
Posted on 10/10/17 at 11:40 am to Ag8556
He’s made a lot of mistakes and errors handling his teams over the years. You don’t pay a guy 5 mil a year to learn on the job.
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