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re: Sumlin Will be our Coach Next Year
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:05 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:05 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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This is how it starts. The moral victories. The rationalizing, the stupid Liucci-esque excuse stream.
Well if you think Starkel getting injured played no part in the choke then we have a very basic difference of opinion. Simply pointing out the fact that with Starkel at QB the entire game we are very likely a 1 loss team at this point. You seem to have anticipated the choke even if Starkel had not been injured.
There is no moral victory in giving up a huge lead with 4 minutes remaining in the 3rd Q. Not sure how my pointing out Starkel got hurt after building up a big lead is claiming a moral victory of any kind. As mentioned, I had a lot of problems with personnel decisions, clock management, play calling etc... with Sumlin. We still could and should have won the game. Does not negate the fact that Starkel getting hurt was THE difference in the 2 games within the game.
Your hatred of Sumlin seems to have jaded you to the point where you can no longer discuss football at Texas A&M rationally.
There are a handful of you clowns on this board that constantly mention and seem to care about Lucci and what he says... good, bad, dumb, etc.. I am not one of them. If I say something that reminds you of Lucci then it is only because YOU read what he says. Since I do not read Lucci I have no clue what he says therefore I cannot intentionally repeat anything he says. If you don't like Lucci then why do you constantly read his shite??
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 2:13 pm
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Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:27 pm to Tridentds
Don't forget Armani
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:29 pm to cardboardboxer
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but I do think after what happened to LSU and Texas post Mack we might be less ready to fire an 8 win coach.
But they fired 10 win coaches
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:32 pm to Old Sarge
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Don't forget Armani
Obviously that is on Sumlin.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 2:34 pm to Tridentds
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If you don't like Lucci then why do you constantly read his shite??
It's probably a love-hate thing. It's why Clay Travis is so successful. People love to hate on his articles
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Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:12 pm to Old Sarge
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But they fired 10 win coaches
More like 9 win coaches, and those are both better modern programs frankly.
Even before the racist letter the media was lining up to bash little A&M for hoping to do better than 8 wins. After the racist letter we will be chided nationally for not appreciating what Sumlin did for us if he wins another 8-9 games. That kind of national backlash is what sunk Nebraska's program 15 years ago.
I think we should see if Chip Kelly wants the job and if he says no then keep our powder dry if we end up with a 8-9 win season. No one else is a guaranteed better hire.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:16 pm to cardboardboxer
I agree with 9
But 8 means he lost to LSU and Auburn, I'm not ok with that
But 8 means he lost to LSU and Auburn, I'm not ok with that
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:17 pm to cardboardboxer
chip kelly is gonna wreck shop if he coaches college ball again and goes to a place that's easy to recruit at.
sumlin will probably win 9 games and be back next year. if he could pull that off it wouldn't hurt my feelings, but would be worried about him doing just enough to keep his job.
sumlin will probably win 9 games and be back next year. if he could pull that off it wouldn't hurt my feelings, but would be worried about him doing just enough to keep his job.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:21 pm to Old Sarge
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But 8 means he lost to LSU and Auburn, I'm not ok with that
I get that and I personally wouldn't love that either. I think another loss to LSU would end him even with 8 wins. We are sick of losing that game.
Frankly though this season has given me a new appreciation for Sumlin I haven't had in years. He isn't the coach to take us to the "promised land" but he feels like a guy we will appreciate after he is gone. Either we will point to how he started getting the ball rolling for the next guy, or we will look back on this era as "the good times" if the next guy sucks.
Either way its hard to not look around the SEC and see programs that decimated themselves trying to chase Bama, and then I look around the nation and I don't see an obvious hire outside of Chip Kelly that would guaranteed be better.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:28 pm to cardboardboxer
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even with 8 wins
less than 9 wins before the bowl game and sumlin needs to be shown the door.
honestly, aggie chad can go 8-5 or 9-4 every season here. if summy can't go 9-3, then he needs to go. we need to swing for the fences. if we can't hit a homerun, we go with morris. good time to do this. probably never have as safe a fallback option as this year. morris will probably be gone from smu after this year.
who knows, morris may end up being a great hc. he's not exactly chopped liver.
i'm not gonna root against the ags so sumlin is fired. if the man goes 9-3, so be it. to hell with him coming back after 8-4. that's no good.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:30 pm to BadAgg7
Why would we hire a former student just because they are a former student? That's an emotional decision. Which is a bad kind of decision. That's exactly what LSU did (Not saying O went to LSU, but it was an emotional decision).
Going 8-4 with a bunch of freshman isn't a bad record. We will likely go 9-3 so it doesn't really matter.
Going 8-4 with a bunch of freshman isn't a bad record. We will likely go 9-3 so it doesn't really matter.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:38 pm to AggieDub14
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That's exactly what LSU did.
no. we'd be hiring a proven football mind and someone who has already shown he can run a program. smu will win 8 games at least this year.
took a team that went 1-11 to
2-10
5-7
and probably 8-4 or 9-3 this year. hell, maybe better than that.
edward orgeron has never been a coordinator or a successful full time head coach. orgeron was also never really a student at lsu, he quit in fall camp and went home. ended up playing for nwlast.
if morris actually doesn't win 8 games at smu this year then obviously my opinion changes.
it's not an emotional decision. it just means sumlin hasn't cut it here. not with our resources and recruiting ground. 8 wins in a 12 game regular season with 3 gimmees and way more talent than at least 3 or 4 other teams on schedule doesn't mean shite.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:40 pm to BadAgg7
If Morris wasn't an Aggie, do you still want him?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:40 pm to BadAgg7
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honestly, aggie chad can go 8-5 or 9-4 every season here. if summy can't go 9-3, then he needs to go. we need to swing for the fences. if we can't hit a homerun, we go with morris. good time to do this.
I get the idea in theory, I just haven't seen anything from Morris that shows me is the "the guy" since he stopped being an OC. LSU thought too that their program was in a place that almost anyone could rip off 10 wins and they were proven to be fools for that arrogance.
I know we would hate missing out on an Aggie if he DOES go somewhere else and be successful, and I am not trying to defend Sumlin. Morris just isn't the slam dunk we wanted him to be at this point.
To get ahead as a program we need a guy who day one will make recruits go "Damn they got HIM?!" The only guy out there who moves the needle like that for us is Chip Kelly, and guys like that only hit the market every few years. Other years big programs are killing themselves for a guy like Herman who has more questions marks than IQ points.
Frankly I would rather have Sumlin with a minimal buyout and smoke and mirror extensions rather than commit to Chad. That way if some splash hire is possible in a year or two we are in the position to go after that person.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:41 pm to cardboardboxer
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Chip Kelly
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:42 pm to AggieDub14
absolutely. someone is gonna hire him after this year if he wins 8 or 9 games. he'll be a viable option. there are several coaches i'd rather have, but we can get him if we strike out trying for other candidates.
not my first choice, but a good one.
not my first choice, but a good one.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:48 pm to cardboardboxer
i'm basing this on chad winning 8+ games this year at fricking smu. took over a 1-11 program. he's also not my first choice, but we wouldn't be left with zero options like lsu was.
ed orgeron wasn't on anyone's radar as a head coach and lsu made a stupid decision that has and will cost them dearly. comparing morris to oregeron isn't even right.
it wouldn't suprise me to see sumlin go 9-3. obviously will have earned his place if he does that. the ucla game still counts. we should be 5-1 right now and a much easier path to 9-3, but sumlin fricked that all up. his fault. he's gotta live it.
ed orgeron wasn't on anyone's radar as a head coach and lsu made a stupid decision that has and will cost them dearly. comparing morris to oregeron isn't even right.
it wouldn't suprise me to see sumlin go 9-3. obviously will have earned his place if he does that. the ucla game still counts. we should be 5-1 right now and a much easier path to 9-3, but sumlin fricked that all up. his fault. he's gotta live it.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 3:54 pm to BadAgg7
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the ucla game still counts.
Yep, he's lost the chance to get a free pass
Posted on 10/9/17 at 4:02 pm to cardboardboxer
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That kind of national backlash is what sunk Nebraska's program 15 years ago.
But a program like Nebraska should be glad they can even win 9 games a season. They don't have any consistent recruiting grounds and they aren't a powerhouse anymore. The days of partial enrollees are gone. Nebraska is no better than Iowa when it comes to attracting top talent. Their coaches have to catch flights just meet recruits face to face. Try selling Lincoln, NE to a kid from DeSoto or Katy. It's cold, it's far, and it's in the middle of nowhere. I mean, it's cool if you like cornfields and shite, I guess
. Now I know College Station ain't the nicest place in the world, but location, location, location!!! We are surrounded by elite talent. We should expect more than 8 miserable wins a season. We have the talent to do so. We just have to get the coaching situation figured out. We need our own Urban Meyer (UF) or Nick Saban (LSU) to light a fire on our arse and wake the sleeping giant up.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 4:03 pm to Texas Weazel
And why is nobody talking about Bo "pissed my pants" Pelini as a potential head coach??? He worked miracles at shitty Nebraska. He knows how to build a solid defense.
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