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Posted by Mr. Elvert
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 12:11 pm to
LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Posted by Texas Gentleman
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 12:19 pm to
Damn, another kick to the junk. Been a bad week for A&M Athletics.
Posted by PowerTool
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:06 pm to
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That’s CGSC’s thing



I think of Lobot as Lobot, with his brain wired directly into years of obscure stats about Aggie volleyball and softball performance.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:15 pm to
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No Kohl


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Posted by SwaggerCopter
H TINE HOL IT DINE
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:20 pm to
I don't know why you are so amused by this. Whether or not he's the right fit, if Jimbo Fisher fails at A&M, it will hurt Aggie football for a LONG time. Right or wrong, the narrative will become "Nobody can win at Texas A&M."
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 2:23 pm
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:33 pm to
I'm amused by it b/c the entire process of getting Jimbo has been the exact same one that has caused us to hire the wrong coach over and over yet NOBODY here wanted to admit it. They picked one guy and laser focused on him w/o truly bothering to look at anyone else. It's the same story for Fran, for Sherman, for Sumlin.

If Jimbo had been hired through a normal process where other candidates were actually looked at and didn't have the dumbest deal A&M has ever put to paper I wouldn't be laughing at this so hard.

It's not like I want us to suck. I don't enjoy sitting in the sun all day watching our team get beat.

I simply have yet to see anything from the admin or Jimbo that shows things are going to trend up. I do not care what he did at FSU w/Jameis when he wasn't able to sustain it.

There is only one HC in all of football that is deserving of a 10 year deal and he is in Tuscaloosa. Urban is the only other guy that comes close and his burnout at Florida would be enough for me to just pay him more for a shorter deal.

10 years $75 million guaranteed for a guy who had been passed by (at least) two coaches in his own conference and went 5-6 before getting forced out before the final game? You guys would be laughing your asses off had any other school done what we did. You know it's true.
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 2:38 pm
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
51791 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:40 pm to
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I'm amused by it b/c the entire process of getting Jimbo has been the exact same one that has caused us to hire the wrong coach over and over yet NOBODY here wanted to admit it. They picked one guy and laser focused on him w/o truly bothering to look at anyone else. It's the same story for Fran, for Sherman, for Sumlin.



The difference is they laser focused on a top 5 coach and not an NFL reject or G5 winner.
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If Jimbo had been hired through a normal process where other candidates were actually looked at and didn't have the dumbest deal A&M has ever put to paper I wouldn't be laughing at this so hard.


So we needed to interview Chad Morris and Dan Mullen to get your approval of Fisher?

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It's not like I want us to suck. I don't enjoy sitting in the sun all day watching our team get beat.



I am not sure your annoying internet persona has anything to do with this.

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I simply have yet to see anything from the admin or Jimbo that shows things are going to trend up. I do not care what he did at FSU w/Jameis when he wasn't able to sustain it.


He's been here a month and he doesn't have a top 10 class so, again, you don't approve. But you also want to ignore past success because... IDK it doesn't fit your view.

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There is only one HC in all of football that is deserving of a 10 year deal and he is in Tuscaloosa. Urban is the only other guy that comes close and his burnout at Florida would be enough for me to just pay him more for a shorter deal.


It's fair not to like that kind of commitment. It comes with a shite ton of risk. I would prefer a 1-year deal we can renew yearly, but it doesn't work like that. If we wanted a top 5 coach then we had to pull out all the stops. I see that as a commitment to winning.



Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
149368 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:51 pm to
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I'm amused by it b/c the entire process of getting Jimbo has been the exact same one that has caused us to hire the wrong coach over and over yet NOBODY here wanted to admit it. They picked one guy and laser focused on him w/o truly bothering to look at anyone else. It's the same story for Fran, for Sherman, for Sumlin.
holy frick you are still latching on to this
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 2:52 pm
Posted by Dr RC
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:56 pm to


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The difference is they laser focused on a top 5 coach and not an NFL reject or G5 winner.


When was the last time he was a top 5 coach? He hasn't won his own division since 2014 and that season they barely skated by and were finally blown out in embarrassing fashion to end it. He final year at FSU he was 5-6 before getting forced out. I'm sorry but if your team is 5-6 when you are in year 8 at your school you are no longer a top 5 coach.


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So we needed to interview Chad Morris and Dan Mullen to get your approval of Fisher?


Somebody, anybody. Just get a few other guys in there to hear what they have to say. They didn't make Jimbo work for the job even a little bit. Tunnel vision fails the vast majority of the time. Period. When will our admin stop with the tunnel vision?


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I am not sure your annoying internet persona has anything to do with this.


I want our team to win. I'm sorry it annoys you that at least one person thinks we might have made a mistake.

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He's been here a month and he doesn't have a top 10 class so, again, you don't approve. But you also want to ignore past success because... IDK it doesn't fit your view.


No, I'm ignoring past success b/c it hasn't happened for at least 3 seasons in a division that is not as hard as ours. What he did at FSU means dick b/c he is not at FSU anymore. He is at A&M. Winning at A&M in the SECW is harder than winning at FSU in the ACC Atlantic. Again, he gets no credit for things he did elsewhere. That's in the past. I want to see him do it here. He is not off to a good start. I'm sorry it bothers you that one single person here isn't willing to drown themselves in koolaid for once.

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It's fair not to like that kind of commitment. It comes with a shite ton of risk. I would prefer a 1-year deal we can renew yearly, but it doesn't work like that. If we wanted a top 5 coach then we had to pull out all the stops. I see that as a commitment to winning.


It's totally fair to not like it. It's a 10 year deal. Guaranteed. I'm sorry but no coach other than Saban deserves that. Period. If we are willing to throw out insane shite like that we should have gone for it all and thrown even more money at Saban.


Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 2:57 pm to
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holy frick you are still latching on to this


Can't stop, won't stop.

If he wins big I'll be happy to be wrong. But past coaches at A&M indicate this style of hiring always fails.
This post was edited on 1/24/18 at 3:03 pm
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 3:15 pm to
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When was the last time he was a top 5 coach?


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You got me. He's a top 10 coach and one of 4 with a national title.
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He final year at FSU he was 5-6 before getting forced out.


Really? This is what you think happened? He was forced out.



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Somebody, anybody. Just get a few other guys in there to hear what they have to say. They didn't make Jimbo work for the job even a little bit. Tunnel vision fails the vast majority of the time. Period. When will our admin stop with the tunnel vision?


I'm not sure you understand how this all works. A man with a great job, making lots of money, isn't just going to jump through hoops to get an interview for a lateral move. Highly skilled and qualified candidates get offered jobs.

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I want our team to win. I'm sorry it annoys you that at least one person thinks we might have made a mistake.



I would say 95% of us do. 5% just like to settle for shite or even undefeated season won't make them happy.

For the 95% (us on here) we all want a winner. Its okay to think its a bad choice. You're in the minority though. Just don't be an annoying little person about it.

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it hasn't happened for at least 3 seasons in a division that is not as hard as ours.


2015 & 2016 Jimbo won 10 each and finished 14th and 8th. That's pretty damn good.

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Winning at A&M in the SECW is harder than winning at FSU in the ACC Atlantic. Again, he gets no credit for things he did elsewhere. That's in the past. I want to see him do it here.



The only coach ever to win like he did (better obviously) is Saban. No one in the west has come close. Ubran was there, but he did it in the east. Since we can't get Saban then who? They'd all be unproven by that standard.

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He is not off to a good start. I'm sorry it bothers you that one single person here isn't willing to drown themselves in koolaid for once.


He hasn't played 1 game yet. Relax a little.

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I'm sorry but no coach other than Saban deserves that. Period.


A&M felt otherwise.

Jimbo basically already had that (less money) at FSU. Dabo got an 8 year deal. Jim got 7 years. Don't be shocked with someone else gets a similar deal. The coaching market is growing.
Posted by FortWorthAg15
Member since Nov 2016
243 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 3:30 pm to
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I'm amused by it b/c the entire process of getting Jimbo has been the exact same one that has caused us to hire the wrong coach over and over yet NOBODY here wanted to admit it. They picked one guy and laser focused on him w/o truly bothering to look at anyone else. It's the same story for Fran, for Sherman, for Sumlin.
holy frick you are still latching on to this


Months ago I posted a scientific study that showed the ineffectiveness of the traditional job interview in predicting job performance. The most effective indicator is prior job performance (like winning a NC for example). It was the old, punch em in the face with facts approach.

Several other posters have address the absurdity of this position as well. He hasn't addressed any of the critiques of the position directly. Which means he isn't engaging in conversation, he is just playing a character. Since then, I have ignored all of his posts.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34904 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 3:30 pm to
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If we wanted a top 5 coach then we had to pull out all the stops. I see that as a commitment to winning.


Here here

To this day I still am happy that we gave Sumlin his "stupid" contract extension. it was proof that we are willing to do what it takes financially to have a winning program which is a good sign for us.

We all know Jimbo might not work out- in many ways it feels like Fran 2.0- but I am still very happy we gave him the deal we did because it allowed us to hire someone that we otherwise wouldn't get.

The reality is that we are a very stubborn group to deal with. We refuse to change our branding, our traditions, or our gameday experience fundamentally to have a winning program while most top programs WOULD do that. Where we are willing to go above and beyond is on the money side, and so that is what we do.

Either Jimbo's career is ruined or he cracks the code to make A&M a real winner. If he fails some cheap up-and-comer will get a shot. There is never a game over unless something shitty happens nationally (like OU and Texas join the SEC after the Big 12 GOR expires), so as long as you take care of yourself then you will get to see A&M have another swing with our golden bat.
Posted by Texas Gentleman
Texas
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 3:35 pm to
Did you sit in Woodward’s office and do the hiring process with him? How do you know we didn’t consider anybody else? Just because billy Liucci probably used one of his catch phrases like “and Woodward got his guy that he wanted from day one” doesn’t mean other people didn’t get considered. In all reality they likely looked around at the CFB landscape, made a few “feeler calls” to gauge interest and went from there.

From my recollection Florida went out and hired Dan mullen, and didn’t consider anyone else. Same with Florida st getting the Oregon guy. Nebraska went straight after Scott Frost. So we aren’t the only ones who zeroed in on our top target. If we had the same AD and president and other important people across all these HC hires, I would agree we might have a systemic problem. But the same guys who hired Fran are not who hired Jimbo. We might have some of the same big money donors, but that’s it.

And nobody said you have to be a koolaid chugger right off the bat, I certainly don’t think we are guaranteed championships just because we hired Jimbo. But damn, give the guy a chance and have a little excitement. It’s far better than what we would’ve looked like heading into another season with Sumlin at the helm.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34904 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 3:37 pm to
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If we are willing to throw out insane shite like that we should have gone for it all and thrown even more money at Saban.


You must have missed the whole Saban to Texas thing. He was offered 10 million a years for ten years, land, a house and all kinds of shite and he told them to frick off.

Jimbo was the best on paper coach we could have hired, and the only reason we could is because LSU (a better program if we can admit that) took runs at him two years in a row and poisoned the well at FSU.

Is Jimbo a burnout or our savior? No one knows, all we know is A&M took the biggest gamble in college football history to find out. I for one am glad we did, we won't break through our caste in college football playing it safe.
Posted by Texas Weazel
Louisiana is a shithole
Member since Oct 2016
8946 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 3:50 pm to
So we should have hired someone with less qualifications??



What are you exactly whining about? Jimbo, on paper, had a better resume than any of the other rumored candidates. Also, how do you know other guys weren't interviewed?

I'm not really high on the Jimbo hire, but to say there were better candidates out there is asinine. Personally, I would have gone after an up and comer, but we all know that is a higher risk than Jimbo.

You're terrible at this. You should let CGSC teach you how to do this.
Posted by Uncle Gunnysack
Member since Apr 2016
5541 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 4:00 pm to
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If he wins big I'll be happy to be wrong.


it seems being right is more important to you
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
51791 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 4:14 pm to
CGSC will blow you away with data. Now the data might only correlate and have no causation, but the effort is always there.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34904 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 4:47 pm to
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it seems being right is more important to you



He is doing an act at this point obviously. And I for one appreciate it to stimulate some actual discussion.
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
21636 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 4:50 pm to
What’s really starting to bug me about Dr Rc is the trolling of the recruiting process, because he’s not wrong that a lot of us here expected/hoped for some sort of bump. Obviously this cycle isn’t over, and the new staff hasn’t had long, but it’s not looking great.

The problem, and what’s starting to annoy me is that it seems like he’s actively rooting for the staff to miss on targets, and if there’s anything that’s certain about jimbo and his staff is that most are proven when it comes to recruiting. So if they aren’t able to pull in a big time class for 2019 that tells me that it’s a Texas A&M perception problem, and not a Jimbo Fisher & Co. problem, and I think this is what I fear the most.
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