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re: I don't see how we keep Elko now

Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:36 am to
Posted by Texas Weazel
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:36 am to
You have a knack for over selling things. You made it seem like he threw Elko under the bus and blamed the game completely on him.

That wasn't the case.
Posted by Ag8556
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:37 am to
I thought Fisher's critique of the defense was fair. Our tackling was not nearly as good as it should have been. Just using the second td reception as an example, O'Neal missed the initial tackle and Hansford did not even try to wrap the receiver up. I would not even characterize Hansford's move as a tackling attempt because it was so fundamentally unsound. Both of those guys are experienced upperclassmen and both of those guys would tell you they should have made the tackle.

On offense, I think Calzada kept checking us into pass plays after Spiller's TD run based on what he thought Arkansas was doing. Fisher was always complimenting Mond on getting us into the right play based on the defensive alignment. I have not heard him say anything like that with Calzada. I am also assuming that is why Fisher is saying he wants to look at film before commenting on QB play.
Posted by Ag_16
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 11:19 am to
The one good thing about this year so far is people may be starting to realize how helpful Mond was. He was by no means elite but he was a great game manager
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 12:58 pm to
quote:

The one good thing about this year so far is people may be starting to realize how helpful Mond was.


Calzada looks like Mond did in 2017. The offensive line was far more helpful.

Put Mond behind THIS line and he likely turns the ball over for at least one score (sack fumble)
Posted by aggressor
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 2:53 pm to
The Defense did underperform. The offense underperformed as well. It was a team loss. It's becoming clear losing Haynes screwed our season and our OL is going to take more time to gel. The D has been playing elite level ball the last few weeks and they were just very good and that wasn't good enough. O needs help.

It's also ridiculous to talk about replacing Fisher with Elko. Sometimes it's best to walk away from the keyboard for a bit after a loss.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 3:08 pm to
quote:

Calzada looks like Mond did in 2017. The offensive line was far more helpful.


Mond wasn't scared to take off and run. He also didn't run himself into pressure the way Calzada did. ZC bailed at least 6 or 7 times when the line was either completely fine or just needed him to step up and throw.
This post was edited on 9/26/21 at 3:09 pm
Posted by Ag_16
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 3:25 pm to
And held on to the ball forever, throw it away or run man but sitting back for 8-9 seconds and not getting rid of the ball is insane to me
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 4:09 pm to
Calzada compared to 2017 Kellen Mond.

4 games in

Mond: 50-99-2 for 649 yards and 6 TD, 35 carries for 157 yards and 1 TD

Calzada: 57-108-3 for 609 yards and 4 TD, 16 carries for 25 yards

Looks pretty even to me.
Posted by NanosTacoRun
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 4:48 pm to
Mond was a true freshman in 2017. This is Calzada'a 3rd year in the program. Why are you obsessively posting this comparison?
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 9:54 pm to
Just throwing up stats w/zero context doesn't tell the full story and as Nanos mentioned comparing a true freshman who everyone knew was a project as a passer to a guy who has been in the system for three years and was called an NFL talent by his coach is disingenuous at best.

Also at saying Mond's 35 carries for 157 yards and 1 TD is pretty even w/Calzada's 16 carries for 25 yards. In what universe is that anywhere near even? Mond's ability and willingness to run separates him from Calzada by a wide margin. If Calzada would/could step up and run teams wouldn't be able to have their DEs bull rush him.
This post was edited on 9/26/21 at 10:19 pm
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:01 pm to
BTW if you want to obsess over something I'd look at when Jimbo said in the postgame that after the Spiller TD Ainias had two runs called that weren't explosive enough to matter b/c I have no idea what he could be referring to. Ainias had no running plays and his two receptions were for 12 and 23 yards.
Posted by socal91
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:32 pm to
Sounds like Calzada not running the right option in the decision tree.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:41 pm to
quote:

Sounds like Calzada not running the right option in the decision tree.


Problem is there's the part about "the plays weren't explosive enough to matter" which implies that he did think that Ainias got two carries which he didn't.

The only other way to interpret what he said was that the two running plays weren't going to gain many yards anyway which... man I don't want to think about the implications of Jimbo saying he calls plays that he believes aren't good enough to matter.

Best case scenario is that he mixed up Ainias with Achane but even then Achane only got the single carry after Spiller's TD and it was for 8 yards. I have a hard time believing Jimbo thinks an 8 yard carry on 1st and 10 isn't explosive enough to matter in a one score game.
This post was edited on 9/26/21 at 10:45 pm
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 10:59 pm to
quote:

Jimbo said in the postgame that after the Spiller TD Ainias had two runs called that weren't explosive enough to matter b/c I have no idea what he could be referring to. Ainias had no running plays and his two receptions were for 12 and 23 yards.


He either lied or has no idea what plays he's calling. Both are really bad.
Posted by Ag_16
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Posted on 9/27/21 at 7:41 am to
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aren't good enough to matter

Lets be brutally honest, at a certain point in the game we all knew Calzada and that offense weren't going to be able to do enough to win. So im not gonna be mad at Jimbo for not believing a play will be successful

We'll never get an honest answer nut i would like to know how many run plays jimbo called that calzada checked out of

And it is very bad/sad that Jimbo doesn't remember 1) how many run plays he called and 2) who they were called for
Posted by ColoradoAg
Colorado
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Posted on 9/27/21 at 5:26 pm to
He should be blaming Calzada. But Fisher is too damned stubborn to do that
Posted by Texas Weazel
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Posted on 9/27/21 at 8:29 pm to
I fully believe Jimbo when he says Calzada looks good in practice. It just seems like the pressure of GameDay gets to him and his decision making crashes. I did notice him on a few plays wait and stare down his intended receiver.
Posted by Ag_16
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Posted on 10/2/21 at 10:16 pm to
Elko got out schemed tonight
Posted by socal91
SoCal
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Posted on 10/2/21 at 10:30 pm to
Maybe games like tonight are how you keep Elko. Defense was really, really bad.

I think the offense was as expected. No Oline, and a QB who can only make a throw that requires no loft/touch. Maybe a small bit better than expected in that Calzada occasionally demonstrated some decision making. And occasionally took a safety instead of launching it, so maybe just as expected.

But who took our defense and gave us Vanderbilts?

I think the over is the bet next week, and we score 0.
Posted by Ag_16
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Posted on 10/2/21 at 10:37 pm to
Maybe so

And Calzada had moments where I thought maybe he’d get us to the bye. Loved the willingness to run, made some good decisions early but in big moments the dude just doesn’t know what to do
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