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re: Herman Calls for Texas and Texas A&M to Resume Their Football Series

Posted on 7/19/18 at 8:38 am to
Posted by Texas Gentleman
Texas
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 7/19/18 at 8:38 am to
Eh, I don’t really mind either way. Would be fun to resume the rivalry, I do miss that game sometimes and the lead up to it. But on the other hand I do realize they have more to gain from it than us and we don’t want to lend them a helping hand in any way.

I think there are more people for not playing them and than for in the fanbase at this point. However, of the majority that is for not playing them, a decent chunk are just plain scared. Scared that if we schedule it and start losing to them, we will lose all the ground we’ve gained in perception and status since 2012. And that’s just a b**** way to live.
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
20494 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 9:32 am to
we should only resume this game when the terms are absolutely in our favor, or we absolutely need the game. until then, they can go frick themselves. enjoy ames iowa.
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50398 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 9:48 am to
quote:

Eh, I don’t really mind either way. Would be fun to resume the rivalry, I do miss that game sometimes and the lead up to it. But on the other hand I do realize they have more to gain from it than us and we don’t want to lend them a helping hand in any way.


This is pretty much how I feel about it.

On one hand, we have more to lose and less to gain while they have less to lose and more gain. But frick it, we're Texans, Aggies, and we usually don't back down from a challenge.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60152 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 9:55 am to
Yeah I’m at the point where I’m ambivalent. Part of me understands it would benefit them and I don’t want any part of that, but part of me also misses playing them. What I wouldn’t want is for us to basically stop playing other P5 schools OOC. I have enjoyed getting to play new teams, going to the Rose Bowl, getting Clemson at home this year. That would be a big drawback for me
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 10:13 am to
I'd be really torn every year if we resumed this game. On the one hand, I really want my minor league team to do well and getting a big game with an SEC team every year would really help them.

On the other, I just don't see how adding another non-conf game where the Aggies have the potential to lose a no-win situation (beat up on a lesser conf team, ho hum, lose in an upset, F*&$). I'd rather schedule a major non-conf game against a legit power conf opponent like UCLA or Michigan.

Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50398 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 10:32 am to
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I'd rather schedule a major non-conf game against a legit power conf opponent like UCLA or Michigan.


That is where I am at too. I am enjoying all these dope OOC games. Unless they change how the postseason is decided there will never be a good reason to play 2 P5 OOC games.
Posted by slacker00
Member since Mar 2011
588 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 10:34 am to
Lots of good points, BUT I circle back to if we want to close the gap in the series record we have to play. If we go on a 10 game streak, sure they still lead by 30 games but most of that was ancient history and the kids won't remember or care. Just like we remember whipping LSU but the college kids only know LSU beating A&M.

If we lose it helps them more, but it's not lose/lose for us. If we win, it only strengthens our argument that we are the present and the future.
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50398 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 10:50 am to
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If we lose it helps them more, but it's not lose/lose for us. If we win, it only strengthens our argument that we are the present and the future.


It definitely isn't lose/lose.

The way I kind of think about it is like betting. We're getting -150 while they're getting +150.

Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60152 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 10:58 am to
IDGAF about the series record. That is purely message board stuff. When have you ever seen an all time series record brought up in a recruiting discussion

It’s so lopsided from our male only years it will decades for it to be remotely close again. Who cares
This post was edited on 7/19/18 at 10:59 am
Posted by slacker00
Member since Mar 2011
588 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 11:12 am to
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The way I kind of think about it is like betting. We're getting -150 while they're getting +150.

Do you think that holds true if we crush them for a handful of years?
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50398 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 11:18 am to
It probably evens out a bit more. We run up a 3-4 year streak on them they're looking to get out of the series and if they win one, we likely DGAF as much because of the streak.

Edit: the more I think about it the more I believe they would leave after going 0-2. When we were in the same conference we couldn't run from each other. Now though, we can. I fully expect if the series resumes and Jimbo runs it up a little 42-14 & 35-7 type games then they would bail on the series and try again 10 years later when the cycle changes.
This post was edited on 7/19/18 at 11:23 am
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145153 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 11:39 am to
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BUT I circle back to if we want to close the gap in the series record we have to play
who gives a shite? why should any one care about what happened in 1963 in the current modern college football landscape? USC has an insanely lopsided advantage over stanford, you think anyone cares about that series record given their current run of recent success?
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If we win, it only strengthens our argument that we are the present and the future.

we already do this by literally hiring a national championship winning coach away from the school he won at while continuing to pump money into the program. we dont need to play texas or any other school in texas to prove we are the best place to play. we can do that based on the inherit qualities of our school and program
This post was edited on 7/19/18 at 11:41 am
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145153 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 11:42 am to
i just simply want the big 12 to be dead and forgotten like the SWC is before we start playing these schools again. its petty and maybe unrealistic, but its how i feel. frick that conference from now and until eternity
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 12:08 pm to
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However, of the majority that is for not playing them, a decent chunk are just plain scared. Scared that if we schedule it and start losing to them, we will lose all the ground we’ve gained in perception and status since 2012. And that’s just a b**** way to live.


This is the perspective that drives me nuts. Doing something smart doesn't mean we are scared, it means we are using our heads when dealing with them for once. Aggies for years always want to take the hard road and then wonder why our program has historically underachieved. Here is the a big clue: other programs take every advantage they can get and don't worry about it being a "bullshite way to live" or that "we aren't doing it the right way." Sometimes the easy/smart way is the right way, there aren't any points handed out at the end of the year because you purposefully gave yourself a bigger challenge.

And frankly we know they will play dirty so why play? You want to say that we get some sort of benefit getting a win streak on them, but if anything that will just influence their boosters to try harder and influence the journalists that are secret sips to find whatever slip-up we might have to get the NCAA to nail us to the wall.

Right now Longhorns aren't pissed about their schedule or situation, they are apathetic. That is a better place for them to be than motivated to get back in the game because Aggy is kicking their arse every year.

If we can ever play them again without the emotions, without that sort of "Aggies need to be tough" bullshite clouding our judgement, then we should. Until then its just a liability, just Biff getting Marty McFly to do yet another stupid thing because he called Marty "chicken." To me letting others influence your decisions like that out of some outdated notion of pride/honor is the real "bullshite way to live."
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 12:10 pm to
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frick it, we're Texans, Aggies, and we usually don't back down from a challenge.



Usually a good attitude, but it works at cross purposes with what's smart for us.

It's not about being "scared" to play them. It's about business. Being in a football-related contract with them is simply bad business. They've proven this over and over and over again. Makes no sense to keep going back to that well.

ETA: cardboard put it much more eloquently than I
This post was edited on 7/19/18 at 12:16 pm
Posted by Texas Gentleman
Texas
Member since Sep 2015
2620 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 12:24 pm to
Wow, well let me start by apologizing for not being as clear as I meant to be and you having to type up a multi-paragraph tirade in response to it.....

I’m not saying that just because someone doesn’t want to play tu, they are automatically “scared”. Far from it, I do think there are plenty of legitimate reasons to not want to play them again and I’m fine with that.

But there is a percentage (maybe it’s really small, I don’t know I can only go off of what I anecdotally notice) of people that are just plain scared of losing to them again. I know this because they’ll say it in person, you won’t find many online in the internet land of badasses, but several people have told me during casual football conversation that it’s the reason why they don’t want to play tu again. And I disagree with it.

I’m not saying that Every single person who rejects playing tu is scared. Sorry if that wasn’t clear from my first post.
Posted by slacker00
Member since Mar 2011
588 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 12:32 pm to
I think these guys are just being defensive. I was trying makes points as well, and got a few tirades.

For the record, I'm not from Texas, don't live in Texas, and never really cared about the rivalry. I wouldn't care at all if we never played them again
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 12:44 pm to
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you having to type up a multi-paragraph tirade in response to it.....


cardboard just likes to do that tbh

Man after my own heart.
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 12:51 pm to
The fact that they play dirty, really, really dirty, like Mark Maguire dirty, is my main concern.

I can expect at least a mostly fair fight in the SEC. I can’t expect that in Austin.
Posted by PikeBishop
Bristol, TN
Member since Feb 2014
975 posts
Posted on 7/19/18 at 12:54 pm to
I don't have any strong feelings either way on this question. If Woodward and Jimbo think it benefits us to play or not play them, I won't second guess them on it.

I don't think Herman is going to have much success there, if that matters. It doesn't seem like Texas gets players these days because they just really like and bond with Herman. He seems to repel more players than he attracts.
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