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Posted on 10/28/15 at 1:42 pm to slacker00
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Nobody is under center. We don't do that.
Touche, sir. Touche!
Posted on 10/28/15 at 1:42 pm to cardboardboxer
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I honestly think Kyle is probably ruined at this point,
Possibly. Is Kenny Hill also ruined or is that a completely different issue? Is JM2 ruined (compared to what he could have been)? Is mishandling personnel or at least QBs an ongoing theme here?
Posted on 10/28/15 at 1:45 pm to slacker00
Allen is not ruined
Our shitty offensive play calling has made him temporarily shell shocked
Our shitty offensive play calling has made him temporarily shell shocked
Posted on 10/28/15 at 1:58 pm to slacker00
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Is Kenny Hill also ruined or is that a completely different issue?
That was completely different. Kenny Hill won the job until he lost it, I don't remember Kyle getting snaps early in the season when games were still in doubt.
With Kyle though from the first game Sumlin set the expectation that if he couldn't deliver then Kyler would steal at least a series or two from him. That created a situation where Kyle's enemy was the bench/clipboard and not the other team. He became desperate to make plays because if he didn't he would lose his job for a series or two. This all culminated in a game when he makes really bad decisions and throws three pick sixes.
The worst part is that now fans also expect Kyle to be put on the bench if he doesn't shoot out the gate in any game. Even if he wins the competition no one will believe his hold on the position is any more solid than it's been. Kyle is done for probably.
Best case is the coaches use this week to get Kyler ready and he starts on Saturday after "winning" the competition. Then we can see what the kid has and if it's worth continuing to accommodate him and his family. I don't think Kyler is ready, and I don't think after what transpired he should be "rewarded" with the starting position, but it is what it is. That is modern college football for you.
I mean, without JFF and RG3 Mack is still maybe at Texas. He wasn't just fired for what he didn't do, he got fired because of what ifs. That is Sumlin's real danger, that a what if revolving around Kyler sinks him.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 1:59 pm to Old Sarge
I don't know, I think he is potentially ruined, at least at a&m. I fear that at the first sign of trouble with him the receivers will just give up. You could just see it in that ole miss game. Which also scares me about the receivers.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 2:00 pm to PhilipMarlowe
I think it's the play calling. He needs to be told to "run forest run" when the pocket is gone and defenders are chasing him
Posted on 10/28/15 at 2:01 pm to Old Sarge
Yep game 1 vs Az St defense gets a turn over on the 5 yd line. Three straight handoffs to Carson and we didn't punch it in. Carson gets up off the turf and raises both hands up looking at the sideline. 
Posted on 10/28/15 at 2:03 pm to AgBQ00
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Perception. And ego management
Don't worry about this. Kyler does not think he will lose. The concept of losing makes him want to puke or fight. His dad was like this. The locker room feeds on it. Fans don't like the "cocky", but they will love the result. This game isn't for everyone.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 2:03 pm to JVasquez
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Yep game 1 vs Az St defense gets a turn over on the 5 yd line. Three straight handoffs to Carson and we didn't punch it in. Carson gets up off the turf and raises both hands up looking at the sideline.
That really set the tone for the season. Totally ridiculous play-calling by Spav and an o-line that can't get any push.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 2:06 pm to Cooter Davenport
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That really set the tone for the season. Totally ridiculous play-calling by Spav and an o-line that can't get any push.
if we are inside the 5 and pass every down w/the same results you guys would have thrown a shite fit that we didn't run the ball.
in fact, w/the way you guys work yourselves up and feed each other's confirmation bias I can guarantee you'd all be holding onto that regardless of what the calls were had it still led to a FG.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 2:12 pm to Dr RC
Yeah because running it between the tackles for the third straight time after no result the first two times was totally sensible.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 2:15 pm to Old Sarge
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Allen is not ruined
Agreed. He will have a lot of success at some mid major that isn't holding a gun to his head every series. Like how GG had a decent career at SMU after he was forced out at Texas.
Some people thrive in pressure and some people don't. Sumlin obviously likes to treat the QB position like it's his personal kiln and if that is the case we can't be surprised if he smelts a five star QB or two.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 2:15 pm to Dr RC
I was in the stands at that game and the entire stadium including ASU fans were all WTF just happened? After the first go he should have tried a bootleg or something. Not the same play back to back to back.
After the first go he should have tried a bootleg or something. Not the same play back to back to back. Posted on 10/28/15 at 2:18 pm to Cooter Davenport
again, I can 100% guarantee you guys would still be bitching had the playcalls been different w/the same result.
Search your feelings... You know it to be true.
Search your feelings... You know it to be true.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 2:21 pm to cardboardboxer
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Maybe if Kyler fails after he starts we keep Kyle but at that point his confidence will be shot so who knows what value he has for us going forward.
I still don't buy that he's fine physically and this is all mental. I think Kyle's competitive and won't admit he's injured and will just try to tough it out and keep playing, but it's only going to hurt himself and the team. If everyone thinks a healthy Kyle sucks, he's going to be damaged goods inside and outside Texas A&M and the team's going to hurt by looking like they can't pick a QB properly.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 2:23 pm to Dr RC
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if we are inside the 5 and pass every down w/the same results you guys would have thrown a shite fit that we didn't run the ball.
in fact, w/the way you guys work yourselves up and feed each other's confirmation bias I can guarantee you'd all be holding onto that regardless of what the calls were had it still led to a FG.
It's not about running vs passing, it's about calling the same two damn plays over and over again. You're telling me that being so beyond predictable doesn't hurt the offense? Everyone on the defense can rest easy knowing they can come downhill fast every single play because they're running up on a screen or zone read 95% of the time.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 2:29 pm to Projectpat
When pat is being this negative you know something is wrong
Posted on 10/28/15 at 2:29 pm to Agforlife
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but what do I know, more than Spav is all I'm comfortable admitting
If you know what the I formation is, then yes; you DO know more than Spav
Posted on 10/28/15 at 2:37 pm to Projectpat
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I think Kyle's competitive and won't admit he's injured and will just try to tough it out and keep playing
I agree with you. I think he is a little banged up, but he can't let go of the wheel because Kyler might take it and never give it back. Thanks to NCAA transfer rules that maybe ends Kyle's career at a Power 5 level program.
Really when you get down to it we NEVER should have had a QB competition this offseason. We had a five star QB coming back who was MVP of our bowl. At almost any other program he is the starter no question, and the coaches spend the entire offseason talking about how confident they are that he would do well.
But thanks to promises made to Kyler that didn't happen, and those promises maybe prematurely ended Kyle's career at A&M. The way I see it though, Sumlin was caught between a rock and a hard place. Here were his choices:
1. Not give into Kyler's demands for a competition and playing time. Kyle is now our confident starter, but quite possibly guys like Daylon Mack and Damarkus Lodge are suiting up in burnt orange this weekend. Oh and Charlie has the QB he desperately needs to keep up with the Baylors of the world. Sumlin's margin for error is gone, and if Kyle doesn't produce the program he built is toast.
2. Promise Kyler he gets what he wants, then backtrack as soon as the LOI is signed. Kyle is our confident starter in this scenario, but Kyler is for sure transferring and his dad is all over the radio telling future recruits that Sumlin is a liar. Negative recruiting goes to highs not seen since Venables was at OU and we lose out on needed future recruits.
3. What he did do- make promises to Kyler, keep them, and hope that Kyle has enough mental fortitude to produce despite his coaches not giving him a vote of confidence. In hindsight we can see that Kyle doesn't have that fortitude, but also in hindsight I don't see that either option 1 or 2 was a better choice.
It is pretty frustrating. It makes you really long to live in the era AFTER A&M wins a national title when we don't have to chose between a pile of bad choices because our program needs every boost it can get to stay relevant.
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