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Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:10 am to Old Sarge
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:10 am to Old Sarge
The only thing that we know for sure at this point is that Chavis is better than Snyder, and aTm will field a better defense.
The last few years yall's D seemed to lack even some basic fundamentals. Chavis will certainly clean all that up.
The last few years yall's D seemed to lack even some basic fundamentals. Chavis will certainly clean all that up.
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Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:26 am to cas4t
I think that's the part we are most excited for this year, the improvement in basic fundamentals. That alone should make us a much better unit and team overall. Many of us are hoping Christensen provides a similar impact on the offensive side
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:27 am to cas4t
Not to stir the pot cas4t, but Steele actually had a bigger talent advantage at Clemson than he will at LSU, relative to competition. Clemsons avg recruit was 3.6 pts higher than the ACC average. LSU's avg was 3 pts higher than sec avg.
And if you compare only Clemson defense to Clemson defense, they were better the year before Steele, got worse every year he was there, and were better the year after he left. Each year he was there they gave up .3 more yards per play, and 30 more yards per game.
His recruiting does likely set up miles successor very well though.
And if you compare only Clemson defense to Clemson defense, they were better the year before Steele, got worse every year he was there, and were better the year after he left. Each year he was there they gave up .3 more yards per play, and 30 more yards per game.
His recruiting does likely set up miles successor very well though.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:29 am to cas4t
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All I know is pre Chavis LSU still fielded good defenses. Bo Pelini is no Chavis.
I feel you all the way to this point. I know some Aggies that assumed the Wrecking Crew would never go away and it was an assumption A&M would have a good defense.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:30 am to Nguyening
Lay has had a run of elite defensive coordinators. Saban, chavis, pelini, and muschamp are all considered top 10 defensive coaches, and you've had 4 of them. They've all been elite elsewhere.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:36 am to cardboardboxer
I only say that because I honestly believe LSU has made a number of coaches. Even before LSU won in 03 we recruited so well. Muschamp, Jimbo, Chavis, Saban, Pelini, and others have all benefited from coaching talented players at LSU.
Having good players makes a coach look much better. Just look at Miles.
Having good players makes a coach look much better. Just look at Miles.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:36 am to Nguyening
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Saban, chavis, pelini, and muschamp are all considered top 10 defensive coaches, and you've had 4 of them.
To go a point further I don't think anyone puts Steele on that same top ten list. But that is why we play the games.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:38 am to cardboardboxer
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I feel you all the way to this point. I know some Aggies that assumed the Wrecking Crew would never go away and it was an assumption A&M would have a good defense.
More than anything, the thing that changed for us (and every school in the state) is the influx of the spread across high schools in the state. Many of the best athletes play on offense now and defenses are geared toward the spread.
It's why you see DB play still very good but DL and LB play lagging behind IMO. LSU doesn't really have to deal with that in Louisiana.
The 7 on 7 thing is a big factor in this as well and goes hand in hand with the spread stuff
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 10:43 am
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:44 am to Nguyening
Chavis and Pelini are the only ones who were really proven as DCs. And Pelini was only a DC for for 1 year at Nebraska and 1 year (as co-DC) at Oklahoma). The rest paved there way at LSU.
Muschamp was at Valdosta St before LSU and then his career sky rocketed
Saban quickly went from MSU to LSU to the NFL
I think we can all agree that every coach listed really made their career at LSU, besides Chavis.
Muschamp was at Valdosta St before LSU and then his career sky rocketed
Saban quickly went from MSU to LSU to the NFL
I think we can all agree that every coach listed really made their career at LSU, besides Chavis.
This post was edited on 7/23/15 at 10:46 am
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:45 am to Nguyening
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Each year he was there they gave up .3 more yards per play, and 30 more yards per game.
I mean come on
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:48 am to cas4t
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I only say that because I honestly believe LSU has made a number of coaches. Even before LSU won in 03 we recruited so well. Muschamp, Jimbo, Chavis, Saban, Pelini, and others have all benefited from coaching talented players at LSU.
Having good players makes a coach look much better. Just look at Miles.
Good point.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:55 am to cardboardboxer
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:58 am to Captain Crown
Where've you been? Vacation?
And nice new Avi
And nice new Avi
Posted on 7/23/15 at 12:18 pm to cas4t
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I only say that because I honestly believe LSU has made a number of coaches. Even before LSU won in 03 we recruited so well. Muschamp, Jimbo, Chavis, Saban, Pelini, and others have all benefited from coaching talented players at LSU.
Having good players makes a coach look much better. Just look at Miles.
I agree that you have great players on defense, and always have. But you've also had great players on offense. Yet the quality of the offense has rarely been on par with that of the defense. Why isn't LSU fielding top 10-20 offenses regularly? At least top 30? What's holding the offense back isn't the talent, it's the coaching. Maybe that has to do a difference in philosophy more than lack of coaching acumen, but coaching is the difference either way.
Going back to the defensive side of the ball, LSU's 2007 defense, under Bo Pelini, was #3 Total Defense and #17 Scoring Defense. The year before it was #3/#4.
But in 2008, under Peveto/Mallory, it fell to #32/#56.
Enter Chavis, and the defense rebounded to #26/#11.
Was 2008 just an anomaly, where LSU didn't have the talent they had years before and years after? I think that's unlikely. I think it's much more likely that Peveto/Mallory just weren't up to the defensive standards of prior and subsequent LSU DCs. Coaching really matters. That's how a Baylor or TCU or KSU can win despite a massive talent deficit compared w/ UTx and OU.
All this isn't to say that Steele will be a disaster. But he WILL have an impact. A huge one. For good or ill.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:14 pm to cas4t
Lets let Chalktaw in. We lettin errbody on this damn ark.
Posted on 7/23/15 at 9:22 pm to Old Sarge
Few days at the beach. Good little break but glad to be back. 
Posted on 7/23/15 at 10:14 pm to Captain Crown
Posted on 7/23/15 at 11:21 pm to Warrior Poet
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Lets let Chalktaw in. We lettin errbody on this damn ark.
Frick no
Never, not ever gonna happen list:
Choctaw
Wadewilson
NFLSU
Posted on 7/24/15 at 1:28 am to Old Sarge
Oh hey guyz what's going on in here?
Posted on 7/24/15 at 2:29 am to Roger Klarvin
Klarvin you beautiful bastard, what's up?!
Surprised to see you back so soon.
Surprised to see you back so soon.
This post was edited on 7/24/15 at 2:30 am
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