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re: Zach Evans delays commitment again

Posted on 1/2/20 at 12:52 pm to
Posted by nerd guy
Grapevine
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 12:52 pm to
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grades. He did sit out of a playoff game to retake the ACT. Either way this is one of the strangest recruitments in recent memory.



This is what i'm thinking. The fact he missed part of a game due to the ACT means his scores have been shite. He'll take it again and his scores will get flagged if they're significantly higher.

Who wins out more here? Blinn? That Mississippi JUCO? Ranger?
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 12:55 pm to
LMAO
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 12:55 pm to
The saga continues.
Posted by Long Dawg
Acworth, GA
Member since Dec 2017
2046 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 12:55 pm to
I don’t think so. Fairly certain the LOI, once signed, commits the school as well as the player. It’s a contract.
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50247 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 12:57 pm to
It counts as a spot towards your 25 limit even if they don’t ever make it to school.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 12:58 pm to
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It’s a contract.


I don't think it is, technically. That's one of the complaints people have with it.
Posted by buckRogers
Nashville, TN
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 12:59 pm to
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Actually not completely accurate with this statement. First the NLI is already accepted by the school since the school is the one that officially sends it signed to the recruit for their signatures. The recruit can not sign unless officially offered by said institution. So if UGA sent Evans an NLI and he signed it and sent it in he is officially a member of the 2020 class.

Now if he was not yet passed the clearinghouse and can not get in academically, qualify for admittance then the NLI can become Null and Void at that point for failure by the recruit to meet academic requirements. But IIRC if he is allowed to sign his NLI and later becomes null and void due to academic reasons he will still be considered a initial counter for the 2020 class. So if he signed with UGA then enjoy him on campus or taking up a spot in your class.


Right, that's true. I'm just speaking in contract generalities to the extent that there are specifications in these things that can render the contract void, which is on the school's part to verify. The school is definitely "accepting" the contract when they send it but since there are academic and recruiting infraction specifications in the contract (posted by someone above), it's still up the school to verify and ensure that there aren't reasons that the contract should be voided. So in sum, it's a binding contract but it's still not a "done deal" in the sense that once the athlete returns the signed LOI both parties are bound to an agreement wherein the athlete shows up to school to take classes and participate in athletics. Saying that the school gets a second chance to "agree" to the contract is an oversimplification but long story short if the kid fails the ACT and all his classes following the returned LOI, the contract certainly isn't used to overreach all those circumstances and it's up to the school to review such circumstances and decide that the contract is void, not the athlete. So in a sense they do "agree" a second time, just more from a black-letter compliance standpoint, not a standpoint of secondary review.

Interestingly, people are saying that once a school sends an LOI, that's one of the 25-or-so spots they can use for recruiting. Not sure if that's true, but it might be. Like I said, I've never read all the rules for LOIs, I just understand contracts to some extent . It's curious that UGA would "void" Evans' LOI under ANY circumstances if it meant that they'd lose a spot in the class over him regardless.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 1:04 pm
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11833 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:01 pm to
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Pretty sure an LOI is only binding for the recruit. Schools can void it.


Yes but only if the the recruit meets the criteria for the institution to Null and Void the NLI. For example failure to academically qualify. A school can not just decide for whatever reason to no longer honor it. They have to have reason but the recruit once signs is still a initial counter. Remember the term sign and place for non qualifiers as you use to send them to JUCO and they would not count. But then Ole Miss decided to sign almost 40 one year and they changed that rule that once you sign you cont even if you do not qualify academically. Why we never allowed Jordan Davis to sign a NLI.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:02 pm to
Maybe he'll just keep all of the money and play for the Houston Cougars.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25872 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:03 pm to
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They have to have reason but the recruit once signs is still a initial counter.

Would the player deciding he wants out not qualify as a reason? That sounds like what's happening here.

ETA: In basketball, typically recruits are released from LOIs after coaching changes. Wouldn't this be a similar thing?
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 1:04 pm
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11833 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:03 pm to
Agreed. The saving grace is the recruit has until fall classes to correct the academic issues to become part of the class.

I actually do not like, especially with early signing now, that a school is penalized for accepting the NLI early prior to recruit being cleared academically eligible.
Posted by buckRogers
Nashville, TN
Member since Dec 2014
1835 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:08 pm to
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Would the player deciding he wants out not qualify as a reason? That sounds like what's happening here.


I'm pretty sure that this is a resounding "No" in the contract sense. It appears as though once the athlete sends in a signed LOI the situation is totally out of their control. Schools who let players out of LOIs over coaching changes are usually doing so on their own accord to avoid an ensuing shite storm when the player refuses to play and ends up transferring. They're certainly not obligated to do that. Otherwise there would be no incentive to keep coaching changes under wraps until after signing day, which schools clearly do.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 1:25 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:09 pm to
In the summer of 2018, Ale Kaho asked UW for a release from his NLI. UW granted it and Kaho then promptly signed with and enrolled at Bama, and was immediately eligible to play. UW HC Chris Petersen said he didn't see any point in refusing to release a player who had changed his mind about where he wanted to go.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 1:20 pm
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11833 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:10 pm to
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Would the player deciding he wants out not qualify as a reason? That sounds like what's happening here.



A player for whatever reason can request the program he signed with to release him from his NLI. Now the school can refuse it. So if he is wanting to part ways and UGA no longer wants him then it should be an easy release. But if he wants to go and Smart he saying no then not qualifying can make it null and void in January once classes start if he is a EE.

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ETA: In basketball, typically recruits are released from LOIs after coaching changes. Wouldn't this be a similar thing?


I can not speak for BB but football has a different set of rules all to itself. But coaching changes in football do not allow a recruit to cancel out a NLI.
Posted by deaux
Member since Oct 2018
20267 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:11 pm to
Didn’t something like this just happen with the usc/Texas kid?
Posted by agrunner
Flower Mound
Member since Dec 2012
4617 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:14 pm to
Bru McCoy, I believe so.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:15 pm to
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Schools who let players out of LOIs over coaching changes are usually doing so on their own accord to avoid an ensuing shite storm when the player refuses to play and ends up transferring.

Sure, but Georgia could do the same here. Just release him to avoid the shite storm.

FWIW, 247 is saying Georgia still wants him. It’s Evans who is getting cold feet.
Posted by buckRogers
Nashville, TN
Member since Dec 2014
1835 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:15 pm to
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Didn’t something like this just happen with the usc/Texas kid?


Yeah. Bru McCoy. As I mentioned above, though, USC let him out on their own accord because it was going to turn into an ugly fiasco for them where he just causes a stink, refuses to play, and transfers ASAP. It's bad optics when a school enforces an LOI like that so it's in the school's best interest to just let him out of the agreement and not go through the ugly process of a kid refusing to participate and transferring.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:16 pm to
I didn't bother to read about the details of Bru McCoy's situation.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 1:23 pm
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
32628 posts
Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:17 pm to
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have tried to defend him for awhile but this is like riding a unicycle with a square tire up a mountain in the dark
ive said several times that he’s one of the best Highschool football players I’ve ever seen but his attitude and issues scream transfer portal to me.

All the talent in the world doesn’t mean shite if he’s a head case
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