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re: What's happening to Demond Demas is a disgrace
Posted on 12/29/19 at 3:41 am to GeauxBichGeaux
Posted on 12/29/19 at 3:41 am to GeauxBichGeaux
Other than the fact that the family he's living with are t.u. graduates, your analogy is spot on.
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Posted on 12/29/19 at 10:37 am to WestCoastAg
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The reason why this pisses me off has nothing to do with Demond. Hes lucky here in that he already moved in with his host family so he got out regardless, and that he already has his spot at A&M. It has everything to do with the system that's supposed to be putting these kids first but didn't. In the grand scheme of things, Demond lost his senior year and his all american game which is shitty enough. But yes, not horrible. But what if the next kid this happens to isn't as lucky? That's the point. The people who let this happen will most likely let this happen again, and next time the kid might not be in as good a spot as Demond is
Agreed, what happens when the kid is a borderline prospect and needs that senior year to get offers? This only works out because he’s an elite recruit who was already set. That coach sounds like a tool, but that’s Texas high school football for you. Those guys (who often have to also work as a damn gym teacher) think they’re Nick Saban
Posted on 12/29/19 at 11:25 am to WestCoastAg
How does the host program work? Is there an organization that helps place promising students with host families? Without knowing any details, I assume he wouldn't have had this opportunity if he hadn't been really good at football.
I get what you're saying and it seems like a heavy handed ruling, but I can't get too worked up over this particular instance. Do you have an example where a marginal scholarship player was ruled ineligible and lost scholarship opportunities?
I get what you're saying and it seems like a heavy handed ruling, but I can't get too worked up over this particular instance. Do you have an example where a marginal scholarship player was ruled ineligible and lost scholarship opportunities?
Posted on 12/29/19 at 1:54 pm to WestCoastAg
The real story...
Demas’ trainer “Footwork King” is based in Tomball the city Demas transferred to. Footwork King also trains the Tomball QB Hunter Dunn & his family owns the property that houses Footwork Kings facility.
The QB & Demas developed a close friendship & Demas stayed at their house often as a byproduct of the relationship & location of the facility.
The mutually beneficial scenarios of the transfer are obvious to the trainer, family (their QB son was a fringe D1 talent & would greatly benefit from the states best receiver on the roster) & Demas.
The UT conspiracy angle is standard aggy mythology.. The Dunn’s are Texas fans, but if anyone wants go tin foil hat.. mention also that the Tomball HC is an A&M grad and his daughter was a recruiting asst fir the A&M football program.
Demas was dinged by the UIL because it was clear the transfer was all about athletics. Demas story on his relationship with the Dunn’s has flaws, his family's story about getting him out of the prior school by necessity fell short as his 2 younger non elite athlete brothers stayed in the school district.
His prior coach threw a nail in it with divulging feedback regarding the trainer Footwork King pitching programs with Demas & Dunn as a potential package deal.
The transfer was nixed as it should have been. Typical elite athlete getting presented unique unethical benefits & opportunities for the sole purpose of mutual gains.
Yawn.
Demas’ trainer “Footwork King” is based in Tomball the city Demas transferred to. Footwork King also trains the Tomball QB Hunter Dunn & his family owns the property that houses Footwork Kings facility.
The QB & Demas developed a close friendship & Demas stayed at their house often as a byproduct of the relationship & location of the facility.
The mutually beneficial scenarios of the transfer are obvious to the trainer, family (their QB son was a fringe D1 talent & would greatly benefit from the states best receiver on the roster) & Demas.
The UT conspiracy angle is standard aggy mythology.. The Dunn’s are Texas fans, but if anyone wants go tin foil hat.. mention also that the Tomball HC is an A&M grad and his daughter was a recruiting asst fir the A&M football program.
Demas was dinged by the UIL because it was clear the transfer was all about athletics. Demas story on his relationship with the Dunn’s has flaws, his family's story about getting him out of the prior school by necessity fell short as his 2 younger non elite athlete brothers stayed in the school district.
His prior coach threw a nail in it with divulging feedback regarding the trainer Footwork King pitching programs with Demas & Dunn as a potential package deal.
The transfer was nixed as it should have been. Typical elite athlete getting presented unique unethical benefits & opportunities for the sole purpose of mutual gains.
Yawn.
This post was edited on 12/29/19 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 12/29/19 at 2:20 pm to OldSchoolHorn
This is straight out of infowars. Geez you do like the tell a tall tail.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 2:30 pm to OldSchoolHorn
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Posted on 12/29/19 at 3:08 pm to WestCoastAg
So the truth that doesn’t disparage A&M by any means isn’t palatable for you, but the tin foil illogical aggy mythology that presents you as the pawn getting pissed on by the power brokers is favorable to you?
Of course it does, you’re aggy.
Of course it does, you’re aggy.
This post was edited on 12/29/19 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 12/29/19 at 9:45 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Ahhhhh here it is folks. It always goes back to UT/Austin with the Aggies. Never fails.
Posted on 12/29/19 at 10:18 pm to CBP3110
As long as the University Interscholastic League operates out of the t.u. athletic department, it will never be impartial or unbiased.
In 2011, the UIL agreed to give the Longhorn Network exclusive rights to all Texas High School athletic broadcasts until the NCAA told them to learn their place.
In 2011, the UIL agreed to give the Longhorn Network exclusive rights to all Texas High School athletic broadcasts until the NCAA told them to learn their place.
This post was edited on 12/29/19 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:48 am to Farmer1906
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This is straight out of infowars. Geez you do like the tell a tall tail.
Actually straight out of the State Executive Committee appeal hearings. You can start @ the 2:00 mark.
Have you dumb fricks ever considered another path? At some point you have to realize the chosen one isn't working... or do you enjoy the ridicule?
LINK
Posted on 12/30/19 at 9:08 am to OldSchoolHorn
Can anyone tell me why the prior coach has any standing to begin with? It's obvious that he's not an impartial party here. Why would his commentary be accepted at face value? Also, in skipping through and listening to pieces I didn't get a sense that they gave a shite why he moved at all... seemed like they focused in on whether he *could* still remain with the people he was living with... rather than whether it was viable or good for him at all... Hell, they wanted to know why he couldn't stay with his neighbor who let him stay with them who had cancer... Yikes. All feels very "know your place"... which is horse shite.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 9:44 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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As long as the University Interscholastic League operates out of the t.u. athletic department, it will never be impartial or unbiased.
While I do think the UIL is an anachronism that needs to be torn down, I don't think there is any grand conspiracy.
The real problem is that the transfer review process is a murky and close-doored with an appeal process that is universally viewed as sub-optimal.
That seems totally unacceptable given these are kids and their families often have very legitimate reasons for moving. Demas is a high profile example but the more frustrating stories (if you dig into this subject) revolve around volleyball players or soccer players getting dinged by coaches and having to sit out their senior years.
This structure is a few lawsuits away from collapsing. The UIL folks know the scrutiny has grown considerably, and it appears they liberalize the rules themselves to avoid being forced to do so by a 3rd party.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 9:49 am to OldSchoolHorn
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His prior coach threw a nail in it with divulging feedback regarding the trainer Footwork King pitching programs with Demas & Dunn as a potential package deal.
The high school coach doesn't throw a nail in it . . .they have to initiate the entire process.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 10:01 am to fibonaccisquared
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Can anyone tell me why the prior coach has any standing to begin with? It's obvious that he's not an impartial party here.
A good question and your point is one of the major criticisms of the current process. The transfer process is a really old system that was put in place in the 1930s and has been patched and modified here and there. A good read on the history.
DMN - UIL Transfer History
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 10:04 am
Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:01 am to fibonaccisquared
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Can anyone tell me why the prior coach has any standing to begin with? It's obvious that he's not an impartial party here.
Same reason why the student/family, current coach @ new school have "standing despite being impartial".
Why would his commentary be accepted at face value?
See above, consistent with all parties involved.
Also, in skipping through and listening to pieces I didn't get a sense that they gave a shite why he moved at all... seemed like they focused in on whether he *could* still remain with the people he was living with... rather than whether it was viable or good for him at all... Hell, they wanted to know why he couldn't stay with his neighbor who let him stay with them who had cancer... Yikes. All feels very "know your place"... which is horse shite.
You need to observe it totality to have an opinion, committee criteria/process was stated twice & as expected it was sound & rational.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:08 am to Windy City
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The high school coach doesn't throw a nail in it . . .they have to initiate the entire process.
Not mutually exclusive, but you are correct.. that was my opinion. The committee stated the "nails" were the mothers status vs what was presented in the initial hearing, the two brothers staying in the district & some general comment re: credibility of statements & consistency.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:19 am to Windy City
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While I do think the UIL is an anachronism that needs to be torn down, I don't think there is any grand conspiracy.
The real problem is that the transfer review process is a murky and close-doored with an appeal process that is universally viewed as sub-optimal.
That seems totally unacceptable given these are kids and their families often have very legitimate reasons for moving. Demas is a high profile example but the more frustrating stories (if you dig into this subject) revolve around volleyball players or soccer players getting dinged by coaches and having to sit out their senior years.
This structure is a few lawsuits away from collapsing. The UIL folks know the scrutiny has grown considerably, and it appears they liberalize the rules themselves to avoid being forced to do so by a 3rd party.
With respect your thoughts, it's nice to have discussions vs trolling/flaming on here..
Tough process to manage, especially given the volume, resources & time sensitivity in most cases. Throw in the fanatic nature of Texas high school sports & it's an even more colossal headache to manage effectively.
Great mention as to the "volleyball players or soccer players getting dinged by coaches and having to sit out their senior years"... it's not always "power stacking" and cherry picking elite kids against the rules.
I do believe it's transparent enough tho, the link/video supports that.
Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:44 am to OldSchoolHorn
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Same reason why the student/family, current coach @ new school have "standing despite being impartial".
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See above, consistent with all parties involved.
... Ok. Perhaps you misunderstand what "standing" means... The kid and his family have standing because they are directly impacted and it's literally an assessment of their own decision making process. The current coach and/or host family can speak to the circumstances that led to the decision being made.
The prior coach offers none of the above... In either case, the kid is no longer on his team... And if his only standing is because he might have to coach a game against the kid, then I'd argue they've got their priorities all amiss.
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You need to observe it totality to have an opinion, committee criteria/process was stated twice & as expected it was sound & rational.
That would imply that I care enough... It's not my battle to fight... Their approach may have been rational and sound as you say, but from watching about 60% of it, I'd say I've got my doubts.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 11:48 am
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:44 pm to fibonaccisquared
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... Ok. Perhaps you misunderstand what "standing" means... The kid and his family have standing because they are directly impacted and it's literally an assessment of their own decision making process. The current coach and/or host family can speak to the circumstances that led to the decision being made.
The prior coach offers none of the above... In either case, the kid is no longer on his team... And if his only standing is because he might have to coach a game against the kid, then I'd argue they've got their priorities all amiss.
Prior coaches "injury in fact" is displayed by the flagging of the transfer. He's protecting his reputation, the school's reputation & future tampering &/or recruiting.
I'm not sure you know what standing means.
This post was edited on 12/30/19 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 12/30/19 at 12:47 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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As long as the University Interscholastic League operates out of the t.u. athletic department, it will never be impartial or unbiased.
Speaking of infowars..
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