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re: I don't know if Deion can coach at the highest level...
Posted on 1/9/22 at 4:24 pm to DawgsLife
Posted on 1/9/22 at 4:24 pm to DawgsLife
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AGAIN.....All I said was that going to a HBCU is not a carer killer. And THIS is your argument?
Why did you feel the need to make two posts to respond to my one?
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So tell me. Does going to a HBCU keep you from being in the NFL? because that is what this is about. If you think it is a career killer we can argue from there.
That is not the only thing this is about, which is the entire point of my posts. It "may" keep you from the NFL, especially if you're a marginal player, because the NFL doesn't take fliers on players who had marginal performances in small colleges, though they will do so for players who had marginal performances in a major conference (for example, Kellen Mond).
But even if it is not a career killer, it can be a career inhibitor. Or at least an earnings inhibitor, and that is what I've been trying to communicate to you.
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Reading Is Fundamental
Yes, and I would say that Reading in Good Faith is even moreso.
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ETA
Don't down vote me. Crap. Be a man and argue against my point. Don't make points up against an argument that was never made, then hide behind a down vote when it is pointed out
#1 I didn't downvote you.
#2 I didn't argue against points you never made, in fact I acknowledged the point you were making. But I also raised a concern you hadn't addressed, which I argued was relevant to the discussion.
#3 Don't get your knickers in a twist over downvotes.
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Posted on 1/9/22 at 4:40 pm to Mirthomatic
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Why did you feel the need to make two posts to respond to my one?
Because I was frustrated. You are making arguments against points I did not make. Just to be clear. I agree with most, if not all of your points.
1. It is not a great move.
2. It can hamper a career.
3. It can cost them money long term.
4. I'm sure I am forgetting other points you made.
But I never said otherwise, nor did I ever defend those points.
I was arguing aginst one statement. The gusy that said that they had ruined their chances at an NFL career by going to an HBCU school.
That is false and I showed many players past and present from HBCU schools that are currently playing in the NFL.
quote:That is EXACTLY what this is about. A poster said that they ruined their chances in the NFL by going to a HBCU. I disagreed with that and showed examples and you started arguing with me.
That is not the only thing this is about,
How can you say "That's not the only thing this si about."
Read the post history.
quote:I agree. See? But that is not what I was arguing against. Again. Read my post.
But even if it is not a career killer, it can be a career inhibitor.
YOU are the one that wanted to make this about something totally different....and that is why I was getting so aggravated. You wanted me to argue for points that I never made and did not agree with.
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#1 I didn't downvote you.
Sorry. that was meant for whoever down voted me. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me.
quote:Why would I address a concern that was not a concern to me or to the thread. you brought up how it hampered them, their money issues etc. not me. I totally agree with you. But the poster said it ruined their career. THAT was the issue. Ftr, if anybody wanted to disagree with the points you brough into the discussion, I would have fallen right along side of you. I agree with your points. But you kept saying how I wasn't addressing your points. Why would I argue against points I agree with?
#2 I didn't argue against points you never made, in fact I acknowledged the point you were making. But I also raised a concern you hadn't addressed, which I argued was relevant to the discussion.
quote:Typically I don't. Downvote away.(Not you. Anybody can and it typically does nto bother me) I just think people are being cowards to down vote instead of having a conversation and discussing the issue.
#3 Don't get your knickers in a twist over down votes.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 4:52 pm to DawgsLife
OK, if I gave the impression that I was accusing you of avoiding my points, then that was the wrong impression to give. I agree with you that playing at a small college doesn't necessarily spell doom for an NFL career. Your examples proved that.
I was just using a couple of the examples you gave to broaden the discussion. To be clear, before my first post, there was no reason for you address my points, because they hadn't been raised yet in the thread. And yes, even after my first post, there was no requirement for you to address my points, if all you wanted to do was refute the argument of the OP. I acknowledge that, too.
So I think, with all that said, we're more or less on the same page.
I was just using a couple of the examples you gave to broaden the discussion. To be clear, before my first post, there was no reason for you address my points, because they hadn't been raised yet in the thread. And yes, even after my first post, there was no requirement for you to address my points, if all you wanted to do was refute the argument of the OP. I acknowledge that, too.
So I think, with all that said, we're more or less on the same page.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:03 pm to Mirthomatic
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OK, if I gave the impression that I was accusing you of avoiding my points, then that was the wrong impression to give. I agree with you that playing at a small college doesn't necessarily spell doom for an NFL career. Your examples proved that.
No, no. You were making good and valid points. And you are right with those points. I agree with you. I only took exception to the one posters statement, and I think we just got our wires crossed.
I am not always clear in some of my posts, so I will take the fault for our misunderstanding....or at the very least for not clearing up my point.
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So I think, with all that said, we're more or less on the same page.
I apologize. I think I am a bit more on edge due to the game Monday.....more on edge than normal.
This post was edited on 1/9/22 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:06 pm to DawgsLife
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But you said they had fewer options. They did not
In the South? Are you kidding me?
Of course they fewer options.When did SEC schools start signing AA players? If a AA kid from the south preferred to stay in his home state what were his options pre SEC integration? Even schools that were supposedly integrated weren't exactly overflowing with multiple AA's on the roster.
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The narrative might be that black athletes had to play in P5 conferences or they might be ignored for opportunities in the NFL and therefore could not risk playing for HBCUs.
Nah.Pretty far fetched
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is a great case. But, I said small colleges or HBCUs.
However, here is a list of players from HBCUs in the NFL as of 2021:
18 players? Out of 35 HBCU's? Do you think this is that impressive? It's less than 1% and I can assure you it was more than that (percentage wise and numbers wise in the 60's and 70's) Heck the Southern Conference has 9 teams and 15 active NFL players.
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guess somebody should have warned them that they were ruining their career chances when they went to HBCU's
Never once said this and no idea why keep tying to attribute it to me.
HBCU players were a dominant force in the NFL during the 60's, 70's and 80's not so much today and it's obviously a clearer path to the NFL with a P5 school.The P5 schools have never been more dominant when it comes to the draft and NFL roster spots.
This post was edited on 1/10/22 at 12:21 am
Posted on 1/10/22 at 12:19 am to DawgsLife
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I think I am a bit more on edge due to the game Monday.....more on edge than normal.
No worries, amigo. I get it. Good luck tomorrow!
Posted on 1/10/22 at 2:12 pm to HamzooReb
quote:Is that why so many SEC players are in the transfer portal
These kids are ruining their potential NFL careers by going to a shite school.
. You guys are about to learn that the players make the university and not the other way around. We've seen entire campuses and athletic facilities built on the funds generated by their talent. The money goes where the players go and I'm glad to see it going back to the communities they come from. Coach Prime is having more of an impact at Jackson State than he could at any power 5 school imo to the point where you have to ask yourself, how could a power 5 school benefit him. Little History: JSU History: Rick Cleveland
Posted on 1/12/22 at 5:55 am to Chievster
Yeah those SWAC guys like Rice, Payton, and McNair really did not do much due to going there.
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Posted on 1/12/22 at 7:09 am to WhereisAtlanta
Talented recruiters will go to the NFL no matter what school they attend. They will miss out on the experience of being in a stadium of 90,000 plus fans going crazy.
Posted on 1/12/22 at 11:38 am to HamzooReb
Nah not so, deionized can coach but I saw that at a small school. Don't know about the big boys yet
Posted on 1/12/22 at 3:27 pm to DawgsLife
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Jerry Rice-Mississippi Valley State
Walter Payton-Jackson State
Deacon Jones-Mississippi Vocational College
Gene Upshaw-Texas A&I
Willie Lanier-Morgan State
Marques Colston-Hofstra
Jared Allen-Idaho State
Tony Romo-Eastern Illinois
Joe Flacco-Delaware
Jackie Slater - Jackson State
Steve McNair - Alcorn
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:31 am to DingLeeBerry
quote:Howie Long (Villanova) & Terrell Owens ( Tenn Chattanooga).But I'm keeping with HBCU'S since 1990:
Marques Colston-Hofstra
Jared Allen-Idaho State
Tony Romo-Eastern Illinois
Joe Flacco-Delaware
Shannon Sharpe( S. STATE) Hofer Looks "developed"
Strahan ( Texas Southern) Hofer
Aneas Williams ( Southern) Hofer
Grambling: 2x ALL Pro Albert Lewis, Everson Walls, Jake Reed, Andrew Glover , Bennie Thompson, Fakir Brown, Chester Rogers,etc...
Southern U: Williams, Gerald Perry, Maurice Hurst ( Patriots all decade team), Michael Ball
Valley : Rice , Ashley Ambrose , Fred Thomas
Jackson State: Jimmy Smith (Hof candidate) , Lewis Tillman, Slater,
Robert Porcher ,Darius Leonard, Javon Hargrave ( S. Car. state).
Gene Atkins( Famu)
John Taylor( Delaware s.)
Hugh Douglass ( Central State)
Tarik Cohen( A&T)
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:43 am to DawgsLife
quote:They pretend to not understand the significance of Travis Hunter / Kevin Coleman commitments. HBCU'S have been completely shut out from these caliber athletes due to enticements to teen boys of money, TV exposure , brainwashing, etc........
Don't be obtuse. Certainly bigger schools will put in more players. Certainly a higher percentage of players in the NFL are from big schools. Historically bigger schools get the better recruits.
But the post I am responding to said:
These kids are ruining their potential NFL careers by going to a shite school.
Darius Leonard( & HBCU players I mentioned above weren't 3-5 stars). Yet somehow Leonard with 0 stars got the proper nutrition
, coaching & was Defensive Rookie of the Year & is now the highest paid Linebacker in the NFL.Posted on 1/20/22 at 9:11 am to sugar71
Looks like former Ag Antonio Doyle is heading to Jackson State via the transfer portal. With the talent building up in a small college league, Deion doesnt have to coach. The matchups are going to be pretty lopsided in terms of talent.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 9:24 am to Chievster
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Iron sharpens iron!! You don't improve your skills practicing and playing with scrubs, period!!
How do so many guys from non-power 5 schools make it to the NFL then?
It's about work ethic and drive.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 9:47 am to Windy City
quote:So what? He's rebuilding a program without a winning season in the SWAC since 2013. The 1st season wasn't his players , & he did get some transfers & Commits for his 2nd season, but his Offensive line was terrible.. The biggest issue with SWAC is line play & getting dominated in the trenches( big men aren't as abundant as skill players) . Sanders is trying to address his poor line which had been obvious all season , but really reared its head in the Celebration Bowl.
We had the recent huge matchup of Jackson State against underdog Southern in the celebration bowl and Deion gets blown out.
This is beyond Sanders / JSU . Alabama A&M is going toe to toe with JSU in the transfer portal. Even Grambling & SU are doing nicely , but A&M & JSU are having a P5 transfer arms race.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 9:52 am to sugar71
Until they agree to participate in the playoffs and ultimately challenge the likes of North Dakota State, James Madison, etc. it’s all just for shits and giggles in the SWAC.
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 9:53 am
Posted on 1/20/22 at 10:10 am to DawgsLife
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1. It is not a great move.
2. It can hamper a career.
3. It can cost them money long term.
" White Liberals think that they know what's best for Blacks" - Conservatives
Hypocritical White Conservatives then try to tell young Blacks & their families what's best for them.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 11:43 am to kiNupe5
quote:Then using that money ton billions to entice more elite teenage boys to their school with stuff that has nothing to do with Football: sleep pods, $50`million dollar lockerroms, barbershops, creepy slides, game rooms, etc....
You guys are about to learn that the players make the university and not the other way around. We've seen entire campuses and athletic facilities built on the funds generated by their talent. The money goes where the players go and I'm glad to see it going back to the communities they come from. Coach Prime is having more of an impact at Jackson State than he could at any power 5 school imo to the point where you have to ask yourself, how could a power 5 school benefit him.
Thing is Prime nor his wealthier wife need the money so I hope he realizes how much impact he's had on College Football. Hope he remembers how P5/ G5 schools & fans ( and media ) mocked him for wanting to be a HC. But it's his choice & I'd understand if he wants to move on.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 2:32 pm to HamzooReb
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These kids are ruining their potential NFL careers by going to a shite school.
Why say that. I am an LSU fan saw my first LSU game in 1970 (Archie Who game) which was 1 year before LSU had its first Black Player. The 1970-80's, which was to me the last great eras of NFL football (1970 being first year of the NFL-AFL merger), not that 90's and later eras were not good, the NFL was full of HBCU stars, Walter Payton, Ed To Tall Jones, Harold Carmichael, Doug Williams, Jerry Rice, Len Barney, Bullit Bob Hayes, Rayfield Wright (some of these guys were actually drafted in the 1960's).
If Deion stays at JSU and some of these 5/4 star recruits go there and get drafted by the NFL (and also graduate at high rates), these could become a trend. Some Traditional P5 schools may suffer worse than others.
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