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Posted on 6/11/18 at 8:49 pm to mikeboss550
I didnt make a direct comparison between them as recruiters. I obviously know Meyer is an elite recruiter. However that just proves my point. No one should expect Mullen to have a bunch of 4 and 5 star commits in June, before he has even coached a game.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 9:26 pm to PNWGator
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No one should expect Mullen to have a bunch of 4 and 5 star commits in June, before he has even coached a game.
Taggert - FSU class: #8, 10 commits.
Moorehead - MSU class: #13, 12 commits.
Pruitt - UT class: #15, 10 commits.
Mullen - UF class: #25, 9 commits.
All four of those guys are at new gigs. Taggert's HC resume is good, but doesnt exceed Mullen's. Morehead has never been an FBS HC. Pruitt has never been a HC, not even in HS. UT was 4-8 (0-8 SEC) last season. Mullen is a veteran SEC HC who was also a successful OC at UF. UF should be easier to recruit to right now than those other 3 schools, but you still gotta have a HC & staff that recruit well and they gotta put in the work.
ETA: Fun fact -- Chip Kelley / UCLA has zero commitments so far.
This post was edited on 6/14/18 at 7:03 am
Posted on 6/11/18 at 9:33 pm to Dawgsrule
Interesting Intel. I know Sumlin had a similar issue at first, but could actually recruit and win some head to heads with us.
Merlin was who I wanted in 2016, so interested to see how he does with a tier I program.
Merlin was who I wanted in 2016, so interested to see how he does with a tier I program.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 11:11 pm to GatorBait24
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Agreed, you would think the whole Mac needs time for 3 years thing would get old but when a new coach arrives it’s the same stuff he needs time to show recruits what he can do blah blah blah. You can either recruit or you can’t, Mullen needs to get it done with the staff he has this year, he lost the grace period he could have had when he let our best Recruiter Sieder go. These are his guys he needs to produce.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 11:13 pm to TidalSurge1
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Taggert - FSU class: #8, 10 commits.
Morehead - MSU class: #13, 12 commits.
Pruitt - UT class: #15, 10 commits.
Mullen - UF class: #25, 9 commits.
All four of those guys are at new gigs. Taggert's HC resume is good, but doesnt exceed Mullen's. Morehead has never been an FBS HC. Pruitt has never been a HC, not even in HS. UT was 4-8 (0-8 SEC) last season. Mullen is a veteran SEC HC who was also a successful OC at UF. UF should be easier to recruit to right now than those other 3 schools, but you still gotta have a HC & staff that recruits well and they gotta put in the work.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:22 am to TidalSurge1
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Taggert - FSU class: #8, 10 commits.
Morehead - MSU class: #13, 12 commits.
Pruitt - UT class: #15, 10 commits.
Mullen - UF class: #25, 9 commits.
Do you think it will stay this way?
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ETA: Fun fact -- Chip Kelley / UCLA has zero commitments so far.
That is craziness. Wonder what TJ would be saying if UF had hired him and that were still true
Posted on 6/12/18 at 1:41 am to PNWGator
I'd be slightly concerned but Chip>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mullen as a coach. His offenses would be great and I doubt his staff would be full of his friends and Chips success at Oregon shows he finds the right players with stacked classes to compete. Mullen does not
Kelly's classes
#32
#13
#9
#16
Mullen
#25
#38
#44
#30
#26
#37
#16
#34
#27
Joe Moorhead has them @ #17 without ever coaching a game.
Mullens not great at coaching or recruiting. I can see him being the 3/4 option and that's ok. The biggest problem I have is he brought over a ton of the guys from MSU, pushed out seider and got $36M and a $12M guaranteed buyout(not his fault). He's doing the same things he did @ MSU. We don't get a bunch of cupcakes to help us get to 6 wins. If he didnt feast on the FCS/CUSA/Funbelt he's never considered for the job. that worth $36M when we only win 7-8 games a year?
Kelly's classes
#32
#13
#9
#16
Mullen
#25
#38
#44
#30
#26
#37
#16
#34
#27
Joe Moorhead has them @ #17 without ever coaching a game.
Mullens not great at coaching or recruiting. I can see him being the 3/4 option and that's ok. The biggest problem I have is he brought over a ton of the guys from MSU, pushed out seider and got $36M and a $12M guaranteed buyout(not his fault). He's doing the same things he did @ MSU. We don't get a bunch of cupcakes to help us get to 6 wins. If he didnt feast on the FCS/CUSA/Funbelt he's never considered for the job. that worth $36M when we only win 7-8 games a year?
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Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:38 am to PNWGator
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"Taggert - FSU class: #8, 10 commits.
Moorehead - MSU class: #13, 12 commits.
Pruitt - UT class: #15, 10 commits.
Mullen - UF class: #25, 9 commits."
Do you think it will stay this way?
It might if Mullen uses too much of the same recruiting approach he used at MSU.
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"ETA: Fun fact -- Chip Kelley / UCLA has zero commitments so far."
That is craziness. Wonder what TJ would be saying if UF had hired him and that were still true
Mullen's and Kelly's past approaches to recruiting have been pretty similar. They didn't care about star rankings, hunted for under-the-radar gems that fit their player profiles for their systems and developed them, avoiding head-to-head battles vs elite programs for the elite prospects. That made some sense where they were.
Kelley and Mullen can certainly still apply and benefit by that approach some. However, both are at name brand programs that are not only situated in talent hotbeds, but also attractive destinations for recruits nation-wide.
They themselves can afford to be a little bit lazy in recruiting, but only if they employ staffs full of good recruiters that can win their fair share of head-to-head battles for some highly coveted elite players too. The expectations are very high at UF and UCLA, and the competition is tough.
If Mullen and Kelly don't adjust their recruiting approach some, it might turn out that FSU and MSU made smarter hires than UF and UCLA did.
This post was edited on 6/14/18 at 7:04 am
Posted on 6/12/18 at 10:31 am to TidalSurge1
IF I were a Florida fan, I'd be furious they didn't land Frost.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 10:36 am to NFLU
Mullen is a great QB developer and great offensive coach, he is mediocre as a game manager and less as a recruiter. Overall, he will upgrade UF's program, but it will be difficult for him to be consistently great because of recruiting.
UF's offense has never recovered from his departure after 2008. That is the demarcation line - Meyer did not overcome his loss.
UF's offense has never recovered from his departure after 2008. That is the demarcation line - Meyer did not overcome his loss.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 11:07 am to UTprideofTX
I think it's a combination of the state butter teeth left Florida in and Mullen being in a completely different recruiting arena. It will take him some time to adjust and make some inroads, but I think he will turn that program around in time.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 11:29 am to UTprideofTX
I like our QB take, and we will finish strong at WR, DL, and LB.
I'm very worried about OL and CB.
I expect Taggart to majorly shite the bed at FSU, and if we beat the brakes off them this year, there's no telling how recruiting shakes out.
Mullen has 1000% more interest from blue chips than Mac ever did. We'll see how he can close.
I'm very worried about OL and CB.
I expect Taggart to majorly shite the bed at FSU, and if we beat the brakes off them this year, there's no telling how recruiting shakes out.
Mullen has 1000% more interest from blue chips than Mac ever did. We'll see how he can close.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 11:45 am to Muthsera
I may be concerned with OL but not really CB. We have been known as DBU (along with a few other schools) and have significant interest from a few quality prospects such as Steele.
I'm interested to see what direction we go with OL prospects. I would like to see us not try to blow the likes of UGA and Bama off the ball (we cant do it we have tried) but rather get athletic linemen and stretch the field with our speed.
I'm interested to see what direction we go with OL prospects. I would like to see us not try to blow the likes of UGA and Bama off the ball (we cant do it we have tried) but rather get athletic linemen and stretch the field with our speed.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:03 pm to Muthsera
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I expect Taggart to majorly shite the bed at FSU, and if we beat the brakes off them this year, there's no telling how recruiting shakes out.
Of course you do
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:05 pm to Muthsera
quote:this would be funny
I expect Taggart to majorly shite the bed at FSU
Posted on 6/12/18 at 2:16 pm to NFLU
Frost is going to be the next great one, I wish we could have landed him. Nebraska will be a contender soon.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 2:31 pm to Pdubntrub
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They should be concerned. His two biggest rivals are FSU and UGA
First and foremost: FSU is having a very, very bad cycle. It's still early but Willie Taggart has shown himself to be a fricking goofy weird dude.
FSU isn't any kind of threat, and most Gators fans are okay with what's going on there -- they will not finish in the top ten recruiting wise.
UGA: Why the frick would we be recruiting at the level of UGA coming off of a terrible year after they're coming off of a National Championship trip?
We continue to get tons of talent on campus which is where we start -- we have players who have been getting ratings bumps steadily and we have a ton of players who are literally just waiting to commit.
We'll be fine.
EDIT: If you can't see the second photo, it says "Jimbo Fisher football camp", it's from this fricking year. They didn't even change the goddamn shirts that they gave to recruits.
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 2:38 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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First and foremost: FSU is having a very, very bad cycle. It's still early but Willie Taggart has shown himself to be a fricking goofy weird dude.
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FSU isn't any kind of threat, and most Gators fans are okay with what's going on there -- they will not finish in the top ten recruiting wise.
Lol If you say so
Posted on 6/12/18 at 2:40 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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First and foremost: FSU is having a very, very bad cycle
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